作者arenasis (Mr.Vengeance)
看板Cavaliers
标题[选秀]试训後,球探对PJ III的观感产生分歧
时间Sun May 27 13:40:56 2012
Chad Ford的Insider,所以就不贴来源了
The two biggest enigmas in the draft are Connecticut Huskies big man
Andre Drummond and Baylor Bears forward Perry Jones. I'll see Drummond
in New York early next week. Jones was the headline attraction on
Thursday. Whether his performance answered the questions NBA teams
have about him is open to interpretation.
Drummond跟PJIII是本次选秀的两大难解人物,我下周会在纽约见到前者试训。
本周四则是後者占据头条,不论PJIII的试训表现是否有助於厘清NBA联盟对他
的种种疑问,但确实提供了可以公评的话题。
The workout featured Jones as a wing -- a smart move to validate NBA
scouts who believe that Jones was miscast as a center in Baylor's
offense the past two years. While Jones has the size of an NBA center
, he's a perimeter-oriented big man who shies away from contact in
the paint. He always looked more comfortable with the ball in his
hands facing the basket than he did backing down a defender in the paint.
本试训显示PJIII是个侧翼球员,那些认为他两年来在贝勒学院都被放错位置
的NBA球探,看法是正确的。尽管他有担任NBA中锋的身板,但却是不爱身体
对抗,球风偏外围的长人,PJIII喜欢面框持球而非背框攻击。
Thursday's workouts capitalized on Jones' strengths and featured him
in a number of drills alongside other wings like the Vanderbilt
Commodres' Jeff Taylor and UC Santa Barbara's Orlando Johnson.Jones
wowed early. He's unusually quick and fluid for a player his size.
While he's not a lights-out shooter, he's got a nice stroke and knocked
down 7-of-15 from NBA 3-point range in one drill. He's also a solid
ball handler for his size and looked very comfortable running all the
drills on the perimeter.What was most impressive was his explosiveness
in the paint. When Jones hit the lane he blasted off the ground for a
number of thunderous, highlight-reel dunks.
PJIII跟其他侧翼球员如Vanderbilt大学的Jeff Taylor、圣塔芭芭拉的Orlando
Johnson一起试训并体测。一开始PJIII就有表现,以同体型的球员来说他非常
敏捷且刁钻,他并非神射手,但三分球也投15中7。PJIII的持球运球也是同类
中的佼佼者,在外围的测试项目中都胜任愉快。最令人激赏的还是禁区的爆发
力,到了罚球线一带他能演出惊天动地、Highlight等级的灌篮。
In many ways he reminded me of another unusually big wing -- Paul George.
Chad Ford联想到Paul George(现溜马)
After the workout was over, some things were clear. Others were not.
试训解答了某些事,某些则否。
Jones is going to look terrific in individual workouts. There are very
few players in this draft or any draft who can do the things he does
at his size. A team could easily fall in love with his potential and
make him a top-5 pick. George fell all the way to No. 10 on draft night
and virtually every team that passed on him in the draft now regrets
it. If we were to do over the 2010 draft today, he'd be the second or
third player off the board.What is less clear is whether a position
change will improve Jones' motor and overall mental toughness. He disa
-ppeared for long stretches during Baylor's season and shied away from
contact. Was Jones just unhappy with his role at Baylor and therefore
not as engaged as he could've been? Or is there something deeper in his
personality that saps the competitive edge out of him?
在个别试训里PJIII超强,这次选秀没几个像他这种体格的人能有如此表现。前
5号签的球队很容易被此吸引。George当时是第10顺位中选,没选他的队伍事後
都後悔了,如果2010选秀时光倒流,他会在2或3顺位中选。但情况一样浑沌不
明的是,换个位置打球有助於PJIII的求胜慾以及心智强度吗?Jones在贝勒学
院被安插在不适应的位置,是造成他在场上无表现且不喜身体对抗的原因?或
者人格面的深处有某些因子让他自我设限呢?
In speaking with Jones on Thursday, he's aware of what teams are con-
cerned about and said he's working on improving his mental toughness
and body language. He specifically said he's trying to improve his at-
titude when his shot doesn't fall early.As for the GMs in the room?
Everyone I spoke with came away with a different opinion. Here were
two of the most representative.
Ford跟PJIII谈话时,後者表示他知道NBA队伍对他的心理素质有疑虑,也强调他
正尝试改进心态。GM们则有两种分歧意见。
"That sort of talent doesn't come along very often," one GM said. "As
I was watching the workout, I thought you finally got to see what a
freed-up Perry Jones could do if a coach just lets him be himself. He
could be a dominant, and I mean dominant, forward with his size, athl-
etic ability and skill set. I think he's a hard worker and will be a
much better contributor if you give him the chance to be himself. I'd
have no concerns drafting him in the top 5. He could be a home run of
a pick."
这种天分的球员不常见,当我看试训时,想像的是有个让他适才适所的好教练,
PJIII所能完全解放的状态。以他的体格、运动力和技术,会成为有宰制力--
没错,我就是说宰制力--的选手。我认为让他作自己之後,PJIII会很认真锻
链,并在场上做出贡献。要我用前5顺位选他没问题,这会是完美选择。
And the other side ...
"Of all the guys that are in your top 10, I'd have the hardest time
taking him [Jones]," another GM said. "I know he wants to be a 3, but
I don't think he does anything that we ask our 3s to do that is speci-
al. He's not a great shooter. He doesn't have a great handle. He's not
an aggressive defender. He's got great size and athleticism, but he's
not skilled enough. That means he'll end up being a stretch 4, which
is a euphemism for a guy who doesn't have a position."Could he be gre-
at? Sure. But I think he's a major project and a major risk. There are
safer picks in the top 10 with very good upsides. I think there's a
good chance that he slides in the draft as people continue to wrestle
with who he is.
在前十顺位口袋名单中,最难下手选择的就是PJIII。我知道他想打小前锋啊,
但我们对小前锋球员的要求,他可没作得特别好。他不是好射手、护球也不行
、亦非积极防守者。有运动力跟体型,但技术未成熟,这意味着他可能成为广
距离大前锋,而这只是对找不到位置的选手的委婉说法。PJIII会很强吗,当然
,但也有高风险存在,前10顺位有太多更保险的人可选,我认为当各界持续争
论他的定位,PJIII的顺位将下滑。
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1.还满怀疑心态这种东西可以自己主动强化的......
2.以骑士的顺位来说,实际上中签机率最高应该是第5顺位,不管拿到5或6顺位
都难抉择。但前几位好手里有个骑士比较不缺的T.Robinson,如果他先被挑走,
就可能把骑士锁定的人往後挤,让骑士能选到。
3.今年是Byron Scott教头的合约年,当然,不太需要担心他的续约问题。
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1F:推 r44621:想请问 如果我们的顺位有幸选到MKG的话 会挑他吗? 05/27 13:50
2F:→ arenasis:要看情况,感觉他的篮球智慧 & 认真态度是Scott体系最需 05/27 13:52
3F:→ arenasis:要的 05/27 13:52
4F:→ arenasis:但Beal(或J.Lamb)能跟KI组成非常具有得分能力与破坏力 05/27 13:53
5F:→ arenasis:的後场,这是两种不同球队特性发展路线的选择 05/27 13:54
6F:→ bfetter:Paul George时光倒流大概也是前五吧... 前三有点... 05/27 13:54
7F:推 James781004:先挑T-Rob再向下交易的手法也可以考虑吧 05/27 14:30
8F:→ James781004:PJ III这种球员风险实在太大...... 05/27 14:31
9F:→ arenasis:帮他队选後再交易印象中好一阵子没看见了,因为比较麻烦 05/27 14:57
10F:→ arenasis:用後面的签加人去推进到十几顺位,应该是骑士会作的 05/27 14:58
11F:→ arenasis:一次补四个新人有点太多 05/27 14:59
12F:推 jinpenchi:去年好像也选了四名新人 结果只有顺位高的留队 05/27 16:55
13F:推 lsbnj23:向下交易最有名的应该就是93年选秀会了吧 05/27 16:56
14F:→ lsbnj23:魔术状元Webber换来勇士探花Penny+3年的首轮 魔术超赚... 05/27 16:57
15F:推 sampsonlu919:换句话说 勇士超冏 而且Webber当年虽是最佳新秀 05/27 18:10
16F:→ sampsonlu919:但只为勇士效力一个赛季就走人了 05/27 18:10
17F:推 hunight:看过一些他的访问和教练队友说法 他根本是美国田垒 05/27 21:52
18F:→ hunight:有顶尖天分 加上绝佳的团队性格 但就是自我要求和企图心 05/27 22:11
19F:→ hunight:差一点 这是连他的教练Scott Drew都称赞和怨叹的 05/27 22:12
20F:→ arenasis: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 05/28 08:56
21F:→ arenasis:sorry 那我不得不问个很理所当然的问题了,这位教头没被 05/28 08:57
22F:→ arenasis:问过关於PJIII的适合位置,以及在他队上的定位问题吗? 05/28 08:59
23F:→ hunight:其实Jones刚进入大学的时候 打法是往三号发展没错 05/28 09:52
24F:→ hunight:不过因为球队人员问题 去年Morgon扛不起先发C 只好推Acy 05/28 09:54
25F:→ hunight:和A.Jones(也是一个6尺10 200磅的tweener)、P.Jones三个人 05/28 09:54
26F:→ hunight:一起组前场 今年是Morgon和A.Jones都毕业了 没长人只好再 05/28 09:55
27F:→ hunight:把他放在内线 05/28 09:55
28F:→ hunight:以我的看法 我从来不认为说把这种长人太早定位在只打外线 05/28 09:55
29F:→ hunight:是好事 就连Durant在Texas防守都是站五号 篮板一样破十 05/28 09:56
30F:→ hunight:P.Jones这两年没打出来 我还是认为自己技术面练了两年还是 05/28 09:57
31F:→ hunight:两光两光影响比较大 而不是教练定位有问题 05/28 09:57
32F:→ hunight:以他的打法 能抢篮板有活动力打法又偏外的长人 其实在大学 05/28 10:01
33F:→ hunight:应该是最吃香的才是 像外国媒体认为他打的不如预期通通是 05/28 10:02
34F:→ hunight:Drew的用法有问题 我觉得是有失公允的 05/28 10:03
35F:→ arenasis:多谢:> 就是说PJIII打到C去,在NCAA当中并不算是另类 05/28 10:29
36F:→ arenasis:的调度就对了 05/28 10:29
37F:→ hunight:yes~ 05/28 10:59
38F:推 jinpenchi:H大一讲 感觉Perry是大雷阿... 05/28 15:56
39F:→ hunight:我觉得还是看教练团怎麽调教吧 Jones的确有状元潜力 不过 05/28 16:17
40F:→ hunight:心态上是真的没有go to guy的架势 05/28 16:17
41F:推 James781004:这种最适合给布朗爷之类的调教一下 05/28 16:18
42F:推 cherngru:由a大两篇文章+ h大推文 ,选PJ感觉像买乐透,赌对很强, 05/28 18:51
43F:→ cherngru:但赌错的机率太高了...骑士有那麽多人可选,不用赌那麽大 05/28 18:52
44F:→ cherngru:要赌也赌运彩XDDDDD 05/28 18:53
45F:推 jinpenchi:越看他越觉得像灰狼的A软豆腐 长的也颇像........ 05/28 22:19
46F:推 JoshSmith:养成Lewis好了 05/29 22:15
47F:→ hunight:其实今年选秀就是充斥太多这种天分无限但是能打出来多少不 05/30 10:06
48F:→ hunight:知道的 像是Drummond Leonard P.Jones T.Jones T.Wroten 05/30 10:07
49F:→ hunight:我认为都有前五顺位潜力 但有几个能被放在正确位置上面养 05/30 10:08
50F:→ hunight:呢? 我怀疑 05/30 10:08
51F:推 citcal:Scott绝对不能选心态不成熟的..他会跟球员对干... 05/31 11:18
52F:推 hunight:PJ心态蛮成熟的啊 只是不知道有没有当一哥的肩膀 05/31 14:36
53F:→ hunight:所以才说他是美国田垒 05/31 14:36