作者ggg12345 (ggg)
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标题Re: [讨论]一个UW教授对中国CS领域的看法
时间Mon Jan 16 17:27:38 2012
※ 引述《timchen (Happy Days~)》之铭言:
: ※ 引述《Hadoop (jumper)》之铭言:
: : UW CS是美国tier 1的CS. 人家的资源可是丰富到你难以想像的地步吧. 资源够丰富,
: : 自然可以让大家都爽爽过日子罗.
: : 在台湾你拚到正教授、甚至所长、院长薪水也就那一丁点. 能掌控的资源(经费、人员
: : )也没多多. 而且更惨的是台湾的行政程序非常繁琐. 一丁点小钱,鸡毛蒜皮的小事,也要
: : 开一堆会,跑一堆公文.
: 嗯,资源的分布或许有些影响,但肯定不是惟一因素 (甚至也不是最重要的因素)
: 例如就我亲耳听道的,北京清华 / 浙大的项目经费也都是非常惊人
: 再加上人力/物价较便宜,其实经费是非常充足的
: 但他们的权力金字塔及官僚态度,比起台湾却是有过之而无不及
: 文化上的差异 (自古以来、文人相轻)
: 或者是能力上的差异 (愈是平庸的人就愈只能以斗争/压柞来换取权力/金钱)
: 或是其他更深层的因素,才是我们应该好好探讨并改变的。
:
: → Hadoop:我想更深层的因素是因为美国学校法人化比较彻底. 也就比较 01/02 22:23
: → Hadoop:不敢乱搞. 两岸的学校都是「国家重点扶持」的. 只要国家肯 01/02 22:25
: → Hadoop:挺. 里面的人要怎麽乱搞基本上都没甚麽差. 学校倒不了的. 01/02 22:26
: 推 ggg12345:原文的中译:http://www.580114.com/u/5news/Blog/t-11012 01/16 12:40
: → ggg12345:大陆有一个项目是台湾宁买却不做的:Super Computer. 01/16 12:44
: → ggg12345:大陆早期都自制,现在有组装.都跟日本在比拼,乱搞怎公开? 01/16 12:53
: → ggg12345:相对下,国高中心似乎花大钱买机器,感觉不出有大的作用! 01/16 13:52
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这个老美显然对 China 不是如此负面或瞧不起, 可从下面这段引出的原文, 猜测
出他的一些看法. 对於中国大陆, 个人认为生长在台湾的人, 常因为老蒋败退台湾
做了一些措施, 使我们忽略了大陆的某些特质.
这个老外讲了三个方向是美中可以协助发展的, 但好像都不在台湾的想法里.
这三个都涉及 "政府对人民的大范围服务".
可持续发展:具体说来就是包括保护环境和停止全球变暖
教育:提高基础教育和创新教育水准
医疗保健:创建医疗保健系统,既为解决老龄化人口问题(北美、欧洲和中国
都深受此问题困扰),也为全体公民提供合理价位的医保服务
这三样, 用现在流行的术语讲就是: 环保云, 教育云, 健保云.
在世界的政府服务里, 大陆完全与众不同, 若照俄式系统就是中央集权, 计划
经济. 美式号称民主代议, 资本竞争. 但中国是亦俄亦美, 一党专政号称为人
民服务, 这些公共服务就是该做的事.
这三样在台湾要做好很不容易, 因为人的自私自利很难 "为公"! 但如果落後的
大陆都做成了, 资本主义国家的官员与资本家就不能不学这榜样了. 像合理价
位的医保服务, 就是个全世界的需求与目标. 大陆的医生, 台湾读书第一名的
不会喜欢去当! 当然, 台湾也是有中国文化传统上的解人苦难的济世医生, 但
显然是与现下又再度流行的资本主义弱肉强食思惟是格格不入的.
这其实是大陆 中式规划管理 特有的 "党委协调" 才能做到的事.
偏偏在台湾的历史记忆里, 一党专政与党委是比俄式系统 规划建设 还糟的事.
这位老美最後的协助建议, 真是耐人寻味!
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How China Can Reach its Computing Potential
My analysis above might leave you with the opinion that I think China*s
computing field is going nowhere fast. That is far from the truth. I think
China will continue to improve in computing for two major reasons. First,
computing in China will improve simply due to China's massive size: (1) in
1.3B people there are going to be a lot of great ones, no matter what
barriers you put in their way and (2) the domestic market by itself will
be huge and thus a great opportunity! Second, the large investment in
technology research funding coming from the government (growth on the order
of 10%/year for 10 years) will allow a lot of researchers to carry out many
ambitious projects. But, I believe that instead of fearing China, we should
see that China reaching its potential in computing could change the world
in a very positive way and it is something we should try to help with.
China is Part of the Solution
Why do we want Chinese computing to succeed? I believe that the major
problems that the US faces, the rest of the world faces, and China
especially faces. China is key to helping solve these problems and by
helping China*s research and education system in computing, we have
a better chance of creating solving these problems together. These are
problems in:
Sustainability: maintaining the environment, and stopping global warming
in particular
Education: Improving education for all in both the basics as well as in
creativity and innovation
Healthcare: Creating a healthcare system that will care for an aging
population (North America, Europe, and China all suffer from
this) as well as all one that will service all citizens at a
reasonable price
All three of these problem areas will have solutions that involve
government, policy, and pricing. Yet they also are problems where major
technology innovations, especially computing technology innovations, can
make a major positive impact. By working together with China on these
problems we can help improve the world.
※ 编辑: ggg12345 来自: 140.115.4.101 (01/16 17:40)