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※ [本文轉錄自 Gossiping 看板] 作者: ivanos (Peel quickly and see) 看板: Gossiping 標題: Re: [新聞] 美方文件揭密 李慶安擁美國籍 時間: Thu Dec 25 19:23:15 2008 查了一下美國《移民與國籍法案》和台灣《國籍法》,我認為李慶安的立委資格 還是有機會被承認且保留。 美國《移民與國籍法案》(IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT) 第349條,關於國籍喪失: http://tinyurl.com/4nyg63 (ACT 349) Sec. 349. [8 U.S.C. 1481] (a) A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality- (1) obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application or upon an application filed by a duly authorized agent, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or (2) taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after having attained the age of eighteen years; or (3) entering, or serving in, the armed forces of a foreign state if (A) such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States, or (B) such persons serve as a commissioned or non-commissioned officer; or (4) (A) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years if he has or acquires the nationality of such foreign state; or (B) accepting, serving in, or performing the duties of any office, post, or employment under the government of a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof, after attaining the age of eighteen years for which office, post, or employment an oath, affirmation, or declaration of allegiance is required; or (5) making a formal renunciation of nationality before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States in a foreign state, in such form as may be prescribed by the Secretary of State; or (6) making in the United States a formal written renunciation of nationality in such form as may be prescribed by, and before such officer as may be designated by, the Attorney General, whenever the United States shall be in a state of war and the Attorney General shall approve such renunciation as not contrary to the interests of national defense; or (7) committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, United States Code, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, United States Code, or violating section 2384 of said title by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, if an d when he is convicted thereof by a court martial or by a court of competent jurisdiction. (b) Whenever the loss of United States nationality is put in issue in any action or proceeding commenced on or after the enactment of this subsection under, or by virtue of, the provisions of this or any other Act, the burden shall be upon the person or party claiming that such loss occurred, to establish such claim by a preponderance of the evidence. Any person who commits or performs, or who has committed or performed, any act of expatriation under the provisions of this or any other Act shall be presumed to have done so voluntarily, but such presumption may be rebutted upon a showing, by a preponderance of the evidence, that the act or acts committed or performed were not done voluntarily. 要喪失美國國籍,需要同時符合349(a)和349(b)的要件。李慶安已經符合 349(a)(4)(A)或349(a)(4)(B),所以符合第一個要件: 349(a)。 我認為349(b)或許會是本案關鍵,關鍵在於上頭用黃筆和紅筆標起來的部份。 而且這裡有個重點,也是紅筆部份所標示,任何一個有做出符合349(a)的行為 的人都被"presumed"是出於自願,除非有充分證據顯示該act並非出於自願。 再看看台灣國籍法第20條: 中華民國國民兼具外國國籍者,擬任本條所定應受國籍限制之公職時,於就 (到) 職前辦理放棄外國國籍,於就 (到) 職之日起一年內,完成 喪失該國國籍及取得證明文件。 依據美國INA,除非有充分證據顯示李慶安放棄國籍的動作非出於自願 (例如 用美國護照進出美國或其他國家,繳交美國稅款等),否則李慶安 的美國國籍喪失有機會從她擔任公職的那時起成立。當然李慶安需向美方主動take這個 "burden",提供充分證據(擔任公職),使這個國籍喪失被回溯至1994年, 也就是她第一次擔任台北市議員那年。 台灣的部份,條款規定是兩個要件須同時成立才成立,所以若李慶安於立委就任 一年內)(還沒到) 完成國籍喪失的回溯承認且取得美國證明文件, 那麼李慶安的所有公職資格或許將可被合法的承認且其立委資格可保留。 --



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1F:→ alove973:所以以前去放棄美國籍的就是棒鎚就是了 12/25 19:24
2F:推 sl11pman:開放棒鎚救台灣! 12/25 19:24
3F:推 DrBear:一堆棒槌 12/25 19:25
4F:推 Gretzky:但是已經任滿的三個任期都沒有完成一年內要件,還是無效 12/25 19:25
5F:推 rei196:所以李慶安批陳師孟就是證明李在做秀 12/25 19:25
6F:推 whitefox:她如果打算下屆換選區再選可能沒那麼容易了,二票制就是用 12/25 19:25
7F:→ sl11pman:我也是看了報紙才知道我是美國人! 12/25 19:26
8F:→ Innnn:可是美國自己說小安安的國籍問題已經審完了耶.... 12/25 19:26
9F:→ whitefox:來消滅這種流浪民代的 12/25 19:26
10F:推 dogmax:轉不分區就ok了,假髮男也是這樣玩 12/25 19:29
11F:推 Bluecold:只要站對地方 怎麼搞都沒關係的 12/25 19:30
12F:→ ivanos:我不確定90年公佈的國籍法20條是什麼內容 12/25 19:33
13F:→ ivanos:不知道20條中證明文件的的條款是不是在95年修正時加的 12/25 19:35
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14F:推 hotwingking:有那個法院會主動審理喪失國籍? 118.231.0.61 12/25 23:06
15F:→ hotwingking:不告不理全世界都適用啊 118.231.0.61 12/25 23:07
16F:→ hotwingking:不會有人主動跳出來告自頊符合喪失國 118.231.0.61 12/25 23:07
17F:→ hotwingking:籍之訴 118.231.0.61 12/25 23:08
18F:→ hotwingking:可議的是李批陳師孟 自己也是同樣情形 118.231.0.61 12/25 23:09
19F:→ hotwingking:這哪是作秀? 簡直是無恥了 118.231.0.61 12/25 23:09
20F:推 N321O:這篇文章的論點蠻可笑的. 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:05
21F:→ N321O:法律條文是法官判決的依據. 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:06
22F:→ N321O:沒人提出國籍是否有效的訴訟, 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:07
23F:→ N321O:何來的判決結果!? 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:08
24F:→ N321O:既然無國籍失效的判決或是放棄聲明 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:09
25F:→ N321O:那李委員的國籍狀態當然維持之前狀態, 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:10
26F:→ N321O:也就是依然有美國國籍. 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:10
27F:→ N321O:簡單說, 馬先生跟李委員聲稱的 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:11
28F:→ N321O: " 自動失效 " 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:11
29F:→ N321O:已被美國否認有這一回事了... 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:12
30F:→ N321O: 76.189.143.194 12/26 03:13
31F:推 flyjc:就算這屆讓他過關好了,那之前的呢 61.63.106.83 12/26 09:27
32F:→ flyjc:根本就想找漏洞鑽… 61.63.106.83 12/26 09:28
33F:推 Chest:原po說的那兩條恐怕也不符合喔,李慶安任公123.193.198.157 12/26 17:27
34F:→ Chest:職未滿18年,那兩條都有但書要18年以上才算123.193.198.157 12/26 17:27
35F:推 Chest:看錯了,是要十八歲以上...漏掉關鍵字123.193.198.157 12/26 17:33
36F:推 oracleone:要在到職'前'辦理,所以宣誓時失效基本 122.116.40.30 12/30 19:31
37F:→ oracleone:上已經慢了因為是同時不是之前,拜託 別 122.116.40.30 12/30 19:32
38F:→ oracleone:再凹了快還錢 122.116.40.30 12/30 19:32







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