作者Piaf (假劍假意)
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標題Re: [閒聊] 5/24 雙B魅力 維特納與NSO
時間Fri May 29 15:03:46 2009
※ 引述《herbert0716 (赫伯特)》之銘言：
: 這次演出的版本跟我聽卡拉揚版本應該不一樣
: 我看節目單上寫的是1888/1889版本
: 因為手邊沒卡拉揚的布魯克納CD
: 但第三樂章結尾部份最明顯 本次演出多了全聲部的齊奏
: 卡拉揚版本則無 我是覺得多了這個齊奏
1F：推 wayhorn:節目單上似乎只說到後面的版本比較常被演出 但這次演的是 05/25 00:40
2F：→ wayhorn:1877年的版本 05/25 00:40
4F：→ herbert0716:卡拉揚版本到6:20的地方就結束了 05/25 09:38
這段是Scherzo的coda，
這個coda在1877/78年的手稿還有出現(Nowak 1981)，
而在1880年稿(Fritz Oeser 1880)就被刪掉了，
自然在1889年稿(Nowak 1959)也看不見這段Coda了...
卡拉揚用的是1889年稿錄音，
這段coda...當然不會出現 XDDD
當年Wagner看過並接受提獻的是1873年稿(Nowak 1977)，
這個譜版最早由Inbal做世界首錄音(1982)，
近年來也逐漸受到重視，
越來越多指揮採用這個譜版錄音...
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5F：推 DesmondTutu:推 05/29 20:20
6F：推 blackbelt:推 Piaf大的文章總是讓人長知識~ 05/29 21:07
7F：→ herbert0716:大推阿 piaf大哥真是布魯克納的權威~~~ 05/29 21:22
8F：→ herbert0716:另外Nowak 1977版本知名的錄音有哪些嗎?想聽看看說~ 05/29 21:23
9F：→ Piaf:哇咧...我只是個普通的愛樂者而已... 05/30 05:03
11F：→ Piaf:再來是Tintner或Inbal的版本... 05/30 05:05
12F：→ Piaf:其實小弟對第三號最沒有affinity，個人偏愛第二號的多 Orz 05/30 05:07
應該還是要說明一下：
小弟這裡提供的資訊並非第三號完整的所有譜版，
詳細資料可參考下面網頁：
http://www.geocities.com/dkgriegel/versions.html#sym3
至於各版之間的取捨那就真的見仁見智，
吵成一團沒有定論了...
※ 編輯: Piaf 來自: 59.127.201.165 (05/30 16:53)
順便摘錄William Carragan的看法，這樣引用應該仍屬於「合理使用」的範圍？
"The Bruckner versions, once more"
William Carragan. American Record Guide. Mar 1995. Vol. 58, Iss. 2; pg. 55
Third Symphony (Wagner Symphony), D minor. Three versions. The original,
1873, revised slightly (and effectively) in 1874, published by Nowak in 1977.
The second, 1876-7 or maybe even 1879, with Herbeck as advisor. This version
includes two variants; Bruckner had orchestral parts made following the
revision in 1876, so he must have thought his work was finished. This variant
included an interesting Adagio which Nowak published separately. But then
there was a quite extensive further revision, performed under Bruckner's
leadership in 1877. The performance was a disaster, which is surprising,
since the two earlier performances were quite well received. This version was
published by both Bosendorfer and Rattig in 1878, then edited by Oeser in
1950 to complete the "gray score" Haas series, and again by Nowak in a 1981
"blue score" with the 1878 coda for the Scherzo. The third version, 1889, is
the most familiar one. The Schalk brothers, Josef and Franz, were involved.
This was issued by Nowak in 1959. By the way, there are Wagner quotations in
all versions, but they are very well integrated into Bruckner's own material.
※ 編輯: Piaf 來自: 59.127.201.165 (05/30 16:59)
小弟一向喜愛平衡報導...
Deryck Cooke的The Bruckner Problem Simplified(1975)可在此下載：
http://tinyurl.com/6aovxk
※ 編輯: Piaf 來自: 59.127.201.165 (05/30 21:04)