作者kuochung (學習容忍別人的無知)
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標題Re: [心得] 葡萄酒摻水
時間Thu Apr 12 07:50:48 2007
※ 引述《dearevan (有情有義流浪漢)》之銘言:
: 最近讀一本討論飲料的書[六瓶裝歷史]
: 裡面提到古代的希臘與羅馬喝葡萄酒
: 多半會摻水喝而不是純飲
: 一直到現代某部分地區仍然保留了這習慣
: 其中提到就算加水一起喝...仍然喝得出酒的香氣跟味道
: 前兩天買了一瓶廉價的葡萄酒
: 2001年 la mancha產的 estola
: 就嚐試酒1:水1的喝法(Font Vella的礦泉水)
: 結果味道還不錯...沒有想像中那麼奇怪
: 一樣可以品嘗到香氣
: 只是酒精濃度淡了點,喝起來不太像喝酒而像是喝果汁
: 我在想...書中提到有的地方是用海水稀釋
: 下次有機會去希臘一定要試試看這種新喝法
這真的是有根據的
在希臘歷史學家 Herodotus(希羅多德 或 赫羅多特斯)的書中提到
The Argives say that Cleomenes lost his senses, and died so miserably,
on account of these doings. But his own countrymen declare that his
madness proceeded not from any supernatural cause whatever, but
only from the habit of drinking wine unmixed with water, which he
learnt of the Scyths. These nomads, from the time that Darius made
his inroad into their country, had always had a wish for revenge. They
therefore sent ambassadors to Sparta to conclude a league, proposing
to endeavour themselves to enter Media by the Phasis, while the
Spartans should march inland from Ephesus, and then the two armies
should join together in one. When the Scyths came to Sparta on this
errand Cleomenes was with them continually; and growing somewhat
too familiar, learnt of them to drink his wine without water, a practice
which is thought by the Spartans to have caused his madness. From
this distance of time the Spartans, according to their own account,
have been accustomed, when they want to drink purer wine than
common, to give the order to fill "Scythian fashion."
重點就是 Cleomenes失去意識且死得很痛苦,就是因為他學Scyths喝 沒有稀釋的wine.
古希臘喜劇作家 Aristophane (亞里斯托芬尼) 的書中也有提到2人的聊天
內容是說喝未經稀釋的wine,此行為就像野蠻人一樣
A: And when we were entertained, we were compelled to drink unmixed
sweet wine from cups of glass and gold.
D: City of Cranaus! are you aware how these ambassadors mock you?
A: Because the barbarians regard as real men only those who can eat
and drink vast quantities.
呵呵,歷史,很有趣的
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題外話,上面說得是wine(成品)是否加水
那如果是在 釀造酒 的過程中呢??
當然,AOC有明文規定不能加水
那有沒有其他地方不被AOC規範,但是酒卻要加水釀造才會比較好喝??
呵呵,賣個關子,等我把文章翻譯完再po出來 ^^
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1F:推 Wanttobe5F:這樣子也能被你發現我在賺P幣... 04/12 12:19
2F:推 yaya100:說真的, 我第一次知道喝紅酒可以加水耶~ 真是開了眼界! :D 04/12 12:34
3F:推 rushspicy:看酒版長知識 04/12 13:50
4F:推 bigbow555:哈哈哈 我知道我知道!!!!加州加州!!!!! 04/12 15:32
5F:→ bigbow555:因為氣候炎熱...導致酒精過高 書上有寫我有看到( ̄y▽ ̄ 04/12 15:35
6F:推 kuochung:大寶真是了不起... 04/12 19:51
7F:推 Greenleft:釀造過程中在某些地區是被允許的 04/12 21:52
8F:→ Greenleft:應該是說,"在特殊情況下"是被允許的,如氣候太熱 04/12 21:52
9F:→ Greenleft:2003年的Sassicaia釀造中就有加水(好像還要經過申請) 04/12 21:54
10F:推 Greenleft:抱歉,上面的說法正確性仍待查證,請暫時當做沒看到 04/12 23:31
11F:→ greelate:釀造中加水是為了使酒精含量維持一定值 04/14 05:25
12F:→ greelate:而且你說的古什麼臘什麼作家的喝酒會加水我想也是因為 04/14 05:26
13F:→ greelate:酒在釀造完成後儲存過成中水分蒸散造成酒精濃度過高 04/14 05:27
14F:→ greelate:所以才會加水來降低酒精濃度(或者是那個作家酒量差) 04/14 05:28
15F:→ greelate:而現在一般個戶購入的葡萄酒都採玻璃瓶裝 04/14 05:28
16F:→ greelate:所以應該是不用怕保存過程中水分爭散掉 04/14 05:29
17F:→ greelate:當然我也不是說紅酒加水不行,只是那真是浪費 04/14 05:31
18F:→ greelate:還有,如果你完全同意你PO的這篇,板上好多野蠻人啊 sigh 04/14 05:32
19F:→ kuochung:請問為何在釀造中加水是為了維持酒精含量的一定值 04/14 06:58
20F:→ kuochung:那請問"酒精含量的一定值"是多少? 04/14 06:59
22F:→ kuochung:作家酒量差不差或我同不同意,我只能說那是 歷史 04/14 07:05
24F:→ greelate:所以說你連自己講的是什麼 你甚至也沒仔細想過就po出來 04/14 17:08
25F:→ greelate:又是一個人云亦云的傢伙 04/14 17:08
26F:→ greelate:還有,你回的兩個連結使我從心裡發笑 04/14 17:09
27F:→ greelate:你對文字的理解力真的好爛 XD 04/14 17:09
28F:→ greelate:[喜劇作家說酒]可以當成歷史來看的話 04/14 17:10
29F:→ greelate:那如果國父 孫中山先生喜歡吃全熟牛排 那吃全熟牛排才對 04/14 17:10
30F:→ greelate:吃半熟~七分熟牛排的人都是野蠻人了...sigh 04/14 17:11
31F:→ greelate:照你的說法應該就是這樣子沒錯了。 04/14 17:11
32F:→ greelate:今天你要談酒的話,引經據典請引用酒界專家的話OK? 04/14 17:12
33F:→ greelate:不要拿一個領域完全不相干甚至門外漢的人說過的來搬弄 04/14 17:12
34F:推 fragmentary:要戰了...(拉凳子) 04/15 00:35
35F:推 NeoSoul:請問G大,為什麼要酒界專家才能談酒?知識份子的傲慢?-_- 04/15 12:48
36F:推 greelate:因為他說那是歷史 值得讓我們吸收的東西才能夠PO上來吧 04/15 15:58
37F:→ greelate:因為這是酒板 04/15 15:59
38F:推 greelate:他PO的這段好像就是告訴別人說飲酒摻水才是對的 04/15 16:04
39F:推 ssliang:我只覺得,酒的揮發度應該比水低,那為何酒濃度會過高? 04/15 20:21
40F:→ impauljoe:原po在敘述一個歷史記載,g大在發表自己個人看法,兩位 04/16 01:24
41F:→ impauljoe:根本就是not the same track,根本無關是非對錯吧??? 04/16 01:27
42F:→ iamcnc:是歷史啊 人物傳記 記述 或是著作中提及的風土 都是歷史... 04/16 02:27
43F:→ greelate:但是他PO的這篇如果說讓新手看到的話 會被誤導吧 04/16 11:33
44F:→ greelate:可以PO這樣的東西,但最好在文末加上附註 04/16 11:34
45F:→ greelate:想想要是有人在酒王裡加入水或者冰塊…想想都不寒而慄 04/16 11:34