作者jimmy5680 (不太會飛的企鵝)
看板Warfare
標題[閒聊] 戰史學者談GoT S6E9 私生子之戰(雷)
時間Tue Jun 28 01:25:06 2016
內文有GOT雷,不想被雷者請左轉。
本來權力遊戲的文章應該要發去EAseries板的,但是前幾天看到一篇有De Re Militari
組織的成員受訪的文章,來分享一下。
The 'Battle of the Bastards' Proved One Bastard Wasn't as Clever as He Thought
https://goo.gl/8Vc57P
文中有提到受訪的是馬里蘭羅耀拉大學的學者Kelly DeVries,他專門研究中世紀戰史
(ex.百年戰爭),而且常參與媒體的歷史性節目,他在這篇文章中提到的幾個要點:
一,波頓軍不應該出城
“Ramsay Bolton would have been better to stay behind the walls of his
fortification,”
“There would never have been a concerted siege effort like we saw with the
siege of the Blackfish and so forth.”
Ramsay Bolton待在城內會是個比較好的選擇,對方不可能有辦法執行類似黑魚之圍的有
效的圍城。
二,波頓軍竟然射自己人
"We absolutely have no single example of someone shooting into their own
troops" in that time period, DeVries says. "It just would not have happened.
Everyone valued the life of a soldier too much ... [This tactic] is far more
evil than anybody we could encounter in the Middle Ages."
DeVries表示
中世紀戰史從來沒有一個案例是下令射擊己方的部隊,因為所有人都非常寶
貝士兵的性命,這種戰術比任何已知的行動都更邪惡。
三,波頓軍竟然沒有偵查到河灣軍
"Most commanders would have posted scouts and had some awareness, some
intelligence that a large force are advancing on them," said DeVries. "That
doesn't happen as often, the absolute surprise of large forces doesn't
happen."
大多數指揮官都會部署斥候並保持一點警戒心,以利得知有大部隊正在朝自己前進。大部
隊完全突然的出現並不太會出現。
"Ramsay was terrible at it," he continued. "We don't have a lot of
indications of his military capabilities before ... whereas Jon Snow led
troops many times before in battle."
"Ramsay, once on the battlefield, he's like many generals throughout time,
who are so cocky about their abilities and their forces' abilities and their
numbers that they cause some terrible defeats on the battlefield," DeVries
added, comparing the Bolton force's destruction to the French defeat at
Agincourt in 1415 and the Turkish victory over European crusaders at
Nicopolis in 1396. "They play into the opposing generals' game and pull
defeat out of the jaws of victory."
DeVries把Ramsay Bolton比喻成1415年在阿金谷的法軍或1396年在尼柯波利斯的十字軍,
坐擁優勢卻自毀前程。
Kelly DeVries其實還蠻喜歡寫冰與火之歌的東西的,另一篇:
Game of Thrones as History: It's Not as Realistic As It Seems--and That's Good
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2012-03-29/game-thrones-history
這篇是好幾名學者分別講不同的議題,比如說:
http://www.livescience.com/44599-medieval-reality-game-of-thrones.html
DeVries有提到一個重點,中世紀戰爭的陣亡者大多數都是死於失血過多,特別是那些身
穿甲冑的上層貴族,更鮮少如影集中那般被命中要害而立刻死亡,
還有就是影劇中的箭矢命中率太高了。
嘛...因為看到所以分享一下XD
用史實來看虛構作品也是蠻有趣的。
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1F:推 dabih: 這一戰的運鏡很棒,但戰術面就有點糟糕了。不過,劇中有 06/28 04:56
2F:→ dabih: 說明Bolton軍必須出城迎戰的政治面因素。 06/28 04:56
3F:→ dabih: 當然這個政治面因素在現實中成不成立又是一個課題了。 06/28 04:57
4F:→ saltlake: 波頓軍用騎兵衝擊敵步兵陣 居然不是騎兵穿插而是停下 06/28 05:34
5F:→ saltlake: 和步兵混戰 另外 自己騎兵與敵步兵混戰還讓己方放箭 06/28 05:34
6F:→ saltlake: 混殺己方貴重的騎兵.... 06/28 05:35
7F:→ saltlake: 最後 波頓私生子竟然相信獵犬對自己的忠誠 -_- 06/28 05:36
8F:→ saltlake: 獵犬為何好用都沒想過? 那可是經常在打獵貴族間借用的 06/28 05:37
9F:→ saltlake: 不懂軍隊也不懂狗 -_- 06/28 05:37
10F:推 windycat: 波頓玩弄對手的目的大於一切吧 06/28 06:26
11F:→ windycat: 不過沒有預想跟珊傻還算有點關係的谷地會來助陣這點也是 06/28 06:34
12F:→ windycat: 不過話說回來 從角色設定上來看 這樣的表現也是剛好而已 06/28 06:36
13F:推 buffon: 波頓軍騎兵是和對方騎兵衝擊 衝下馬後又混入野人步兵 06/28 08:13
14F:推 Inkthink: 這場戰爭被批評到不行阿 06/28 10:28
15F:推 bloodpledge: tv版已死 06/28 14:49
16F:推 geniusroger: 解釋為拉姆西有政治壓力加上輕敵好像可以接受 06/28 18:55
17F:→ saltlake: 真實戰史上 無差別攻擊我軍的著名案例有哪些? 是在怎樣 06/28 22:30
18F:→ saltlake: 的狀況下發生的? 06/28 22:30
19F:推 windycat: 先猜派出去的是徵招來的農奴囚犯或奴隸之類的這樣? 06/28 22:59
20F:→ SCLPAL: 我覺得蠻弱的...原本出去前看到內縮絕體絕命.想說怎贏的 06/30 16:06
21F:推 bird09: 史坦尼斯居然輸給這種咖... 06/30 21:59
22F:推 lingray: 私生子帶20個人火燒營區+放馬,這是特種作戰的成功,加上 06/30 22:51
23F:→ lingray: 天氣跟補給的不利因素,誰都會敗的 06/30 22:51