作者kenny613 (fw)
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標題Re: [洋基] Note to Cash: Hold off on Cameron deal
時間Mon Dec 15 18:11:41 2008
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: Posted by: Joseph P. in Hot Stove League
: The Winter Meetings may have passed, but it’s still relatively early in the
: baseball off-season. As you can see on our sidebar widget, there are still
: two months until pitchers and catchers report (the biggest day of the year on
: which nothing happens). That’s plenty of time for the Yankees to sift
: through their options and decide on the best course of action for the 2009
: team. We’ve been debating this hotly in the comments, and aside from a few
: overzealous folks, most everyone is making cogent points.
冬季會議剛結束,但MLB季後賽才正要開打,還有兩個月的時間,洋基可以慢慢的決定
怎麼樣作,才是對2009年球季最好的補強。
: I explained on Friday night that I think there are two paths the Yankees can
: take right now. First is to create a more balanced team. This would entail
: bringing back Andy Pettitte to fill the fourth/fifth slot in the rotation and
: trading for Mike Cameron. The lineup would then be filled with solid,
: established players (and a high-ceiling guy in Cano), and the rotation would
: be solid one through five. It would give the Yankees the depth to deal with
: an injury or two. It would give the team even more of a veteran presence.
上禮拜五晚上我提出洋基現在有兩條路可以走,第一是打造一個更均衡的球隊,
包括把派帥簽回來填4/5號先發,然後把Cameron交易回來,打線會更穩定(包括Cano)
,輪值從一號到五號都會很穩定,而且就算一兩個先發受傷也不會受太大影響。
(CC、WANG、AJB、JOBA:科科,可以輪休嗎?)
: The other path the Yankees can explore is an all-in push for 2009. By signing
: CC and A.J., the Yankees have begun such a movement. Adding a big bat like
: Manny Ramirez or Mark Teixeira (as we’ve heard from our favorite
: rumormonger) or even Adam Dunn would re-ignite the talks of a 1,000-run
: offense. The difference, of course, is that this year the Yanks have the
: pitching to match it. The lineup would be disgusting one through nine, and
: the rotation would still feature a top four you can place against any team in
: the league.
另外一條路則是全梭下去的2009補強,經由簽下CC和AJB,洋基已經有很大的動作,
那再加一支大棒子,就像是我們常聽到的rumor:鐵爺或是Manny,甚至是蛋,都可以
拉升全隊到1000分等級的攻擊能力。當然會有所爭議的,是洋基的投手是否能趕得上
這個打線,這樣的打線從一到九棒排開,會非常噁心,而且前四輪值對上全聯盟任何
一隊也都還有一定水準。
: At this point, adding Cameron might hamper the team’s ability to sign one of
: the boppers on the market. While some cite the $88 million that came off the
: payroll after last season, that’s not the whole story. Some players are due
: raises, and others weren’t on the opening-day payroll (Marte, Nady). So
: let's go through the team’s current commitments (plus arbitration estimates):
在現在這個關鍵,補上Cameron的約,會阻礙球隊簽下上面提到的大棒子的預算空間。
好不容易上個球季才清空了88M的預算,而且還有沒處理的部分。包括有些球員像是
Marte, Nady都還要續約,現在我們就來看看球隊的預算。
: 2009 Payroll
: Player Sal.
: A-Rod $32
: Sabathia $23 *
: Jeter $20
: Burnett $16.5 *
: Mo $15
: Jorge $13.1
: Damon $13
: Matsui $13
: Swisher $5.3
: Wang $5 **
: Marte $3.75
: Nady $6 **
: Cano $6
: Molina $1
: Bruney $1.2 **
: * AAV of contract
: ** Arb estimate
: That totals $173.85 million in committed salaries for 15 players. That leaves
: 10 more players, likely for the most part under the reserve clause, which
: will keep their salaries in the $400 to $500,000 range. Even at the high end,
: $5 million for those 10 players, that leaves the Yanks with a $183.85 million
: opening day payroll. Notice how it’s right around the team’s stated goal of
: $180 million.
目前簽下上面的15個球員就需要173.85M,還剩下約10幾個球員的薪資,大部分都會
落在$400 to $500,000之間,就算全部都用5M計算,那洋基開幕的薪資數字大約會是
183.85M,這樣已經超過了球隊本來的180M預算目標(CC、A-rod:別算這麼清楚嘛~)。
: Still, we know the Yankees. They could find a way to squeeze another contract
: in there. Perhaps they backload A.J.’s deal, knowing that $26 million comes
: off the books from Damon and Matsui after the year. That would give them the
: flexibility now to add a bat and still keep the payroll under $200 million.
: If you add Andy Pettitte, it’s almost impossible to add a bat without
: exceeding 2008’s payroll. Same with Mike Cameron. So the choices going
: forward:
: 1) Sign Pettitte. Sign bat. Screw payroll.
: 2) Sign Pettitte. Trade for Cameron. Go into season like that.
: 3) Let Pettitte retire or go elsewhere. Let Milwaukee pay Cameron’s salary.
: Sign big bat.
不過我們知道洋基就是洋基,現金人會尋求一個解決方式,再把預算多榨出來一點。
或許他們對AJ的約有設下什麼限制,像是Damon和Matsui今年之後的26M薪資一樣,
(這裡不太懂,高手請幫忙解釋一下這兩位大哥的約是綁了什麼),保留了充足的
預算彈性,來補進大棒子然後讓預算仍然保持低於200M以下。如果要補派帥,那麼
幾乎不可能補進任何一個大棒子,就算是Cameron也一樣,以下是即將出現的選項:
1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。
2)簽下派帥、交易Cameron,2009年球季開打
3)放棄派帥,讓釀酒人付Cameron的薪水,衝大棒子!
: Without choosing one over the rest (though No. 1 is clearly the best option),
: this all leads me to believe that the Yankees should hold off on this Cameron
: deal. Wait until the rest of the bats are off the market so you can see where
: everyone else stands. Some might say that this would drive up the price for
: Cameron. Not so. At least, I don’t think it will. What other teams would be
: interested in a 35-year-old CFer making $10 million? That list begins and
: ends with the Yankees.
沒有選擇上面的任何一個選項的話。
雖然第一個選項很明顯是最棒的選項,讓我相信洋基一定會先hold住Cameron的交易
,等到其他的大棒子都已經就定位之後再說。有些人認為洋基最後還是會吃下Cameron
的薪資,但至少我不這麼認為,其他隊會對35歲的CF開出10M的薪資嗎?如果有這樣的
球隊名單,相信開始和結束的唯一名字都會是Yankees。
: If the Yankees do add Teixeira or Manny or Dunn, they won’t have room for
: Cameron anyway. All three make the outfield rather crowded — Tex by moving
: Swisher there, Manny and Dunn because they play there. True, the later two
: could DH, but what about Hideki? You can’t blindly rely on him to play in
: 120, 130 games, but you also can’t relegate him to bench duty. He’s too
: good when healthy, and is making too much money.
如果洋基真的簽下鐵爺或Manny或Dunn,他們不可能還會有空間給Cameron,上面提到
三個中的任何一個,都會讓外野變得非常擠,鐵爺會把Swisher擠出去、Manny和Dunn
本來就是外野手,不過說實話最後兩個名字應該就是DH跑不掉了。(松井:不要啊~)。
那還有松井呢?我們不能一廂情願的認為松井可以打120、130場,但我們也不能把松井
丟到板凳上。當松井健康的時候他是非常好的選手,同時也非常的貴。
(守板凳總比守DL好吧....>_<)
: Mike Cameron will still be available in January. The Yankees might as well
: wait on that and see if they can better improve the team with a better bat.
總之,Cameron到一月前都還可以談,洋基可能會等到那時候,看看有沒有那時候
有沒有補到其他更猛的角色來幫助球隊了。
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報告完畢。請問誰知道Damon和Matsui的約是怎麼簽的可以省預算??
今晚你想要吃哪一道呢?
1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。
2)簽下派帥、交易Cameron,2009年球季開打
3)放棄派帥,讓釀酒人付Cameron的薪水,衝大棒子!
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1F:→ kenny613:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 12/15 18:14
※ 編輯: kenny613 來自: 61.220.29.124 (12/15 18:15)
2F:推 luaniu: 1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 12/15 18:15
3F:推 JoshBeckeet:大松有no trade? 12/15 18:15
4F:→ kenny613:那怎麼省預算??怎麼想都怪怪的y 12/15 18:16
5F:推 siliver:現在還在想省預算喔,太lag了吧 XD 12/15 18:17
6F:推 simonle:$man 我全縮了!! 誰也擋不了 12/15 18:19
7F:推 JimloveJill:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 12/15 18:19
8F:推 JoshBeckeet:以我這外人來看 我覺得cashman最後全簽不是不可能 12/15 18:20
9F:推 simonle:為了新球場 為了冠軍 全縮了啦 要玩要玩大點.. 12/15 18:23
10F:推 paoan: 1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 霍出去了 12/15 18:24
11F:推 kenro:1啦..反正我們又沒出一毛錢 爽才是真的..XD 12/15 18:25
12F:→ kenro:洋基:想要我們吃老卡薪水 那酒鬼就要收下井川... 12/15 18:27
13F:→ kenny613:投票題辦這個好了!好歡樂 12/15 18:27
14F:推 andy114425:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 12/15 18:28
15F:推 Makubex82:爽比較重要 熬夜看比賽就是要看強投豪打 12/15 18:32
16F:推 spppeter:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 XDDDD 12/15 18:42
17F:推 scarad:2) 在鐵爺不到紅襪的情況下 12/15 18:46
18F:推 presentcake:1 12/15 19:00
19F:推 kinghwang443:鐵爺棄紅襪 蛋來洋基 派佛心 不要Cameron 明年總冠軍 12/15 19:07
20F:推 taller:3 今年打線真的有點便秘 12/15 19:09
21F:推 jskblack:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 衝吧!!!!! 12/15 19:27
22F:推 conective:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 12/15 19:58
23F:推 Beretta:===========X 新球場當然是要全縮啊=========== 12/15 20:13
24F:推 NcThoR:梭了啦 給他們看一下什麼叫隆重開幕 12/15 20:27
25F:推 kingkuo:The house that the cash build! 12/15 21:05
26F:推 kindai:當然是1啦 呵呵 12/15 21:42
27F:推 Melson:XD 隆重開幕讓我笑了 12/15 22:17
28F:推 nedekwn:1)簽下派帥、簽下大棒子,管他預算是怎樣。 我喜歡這個XD 12/16 01:08
29F:推 chiky:screw payroll!!! XD 12/16 10:15
30F:推 tampabay:沒啥好說的 就是1 12/16 11:29
31F:推 rayven:推隆重開幕 XDDDD 12/16 21:11