hello all(elder and younger and others): I can use chinese input, I didnt read all message of the sad news, but I want to say something. In Chile, I meet a french who is mountainner. I do some trecks with him and talked about technical climbing(rock climbing, ice climbing, sky climbing...). I also talked with him about the bad news in our club and french's rescue system. He is a very skilled mountainer, almost pass the hiking guide exam in french. My felling is : We are really like a child in almost whole mountainnerring, includes ability in every mountainner sport, social attitude about mountainnerring, rescue system, guide system, grade system of hardness... They developed all thing of mountainnerring sport about hundred years ago include routes and all system. It is reasonable that we are not as good as them, but we have to learn quickly, we dont have to died so much people for imporving experience... But, but in some places we are already done well, especially in hiking without snow, our ability in orientation, walking in all kinds steepness... are good enough. I hope the members in my club have confidence, also have ability to see what we are not good enough. We dont have the ability to judge correctly under high height, as we dont have the ability in all kinds snow conditions. There are many ability we are lack. We also have no ability in rescue, but the responsibility is not just ntu_mtclub's, the government seems should tack the responsibility more. My french friend told me that in Alps, any rescue they will arrive in 4 hours.He really meaned 4 hours in all the Alps in Frence. I am sad there is a friend died... But I am shit that we dont have good public rescue system. And I am sad we have a socity and medium they dont know mountainnerring. To the members in my club, take the responsibility you should, and be confidant that some places you are right. To the realitive of my died friend, I am sorry .... Lin -- 一切恩愛會，無常難得久。 生世多畏懼，命危於晨露。 由愛故生憂，由愛故生怖。 若離於愛者，無憂亦無怖。 --

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