錄音檔流出！川普特使竟要俄併吞烏領土　還大言不慚聲稱為了「和平」 三立新聞網 編譯林浩博／綜合報導 為了所謂的「和平」，有必要逼盟友喪權辱國？最近美俄磋商的28點和平計畫，因為內容 太過偏袒侵略方俄羅斯，震驚了各界，而背後的罪魁禍首，恐怕就是美國總統川普的特使 魏科夫（Steve Witkoff）。彭博社26日公布了通話錄音內容，顯示魏科夫（Steve Witko ff）當初竟建議俄羅斯總統普丁的外交顧問鄂夏柯夫（Yuri Ushakov），應該併吞烏克蘭 的頓內茨克，以便透過領土交換達成和平協議。 https://i.mopix.cc/ZiQJ63.jpg 美國總統川普的特使魏科夫（Steve Witkoff）。據彭博社取得的對話錄音檔，震撼各界 的親俄和平計畫之源頭，恐怕就是他。（圖／翻攝自X平台 @SteveWitkoff） 以下即為彭博所整理的10月14日通話逐字稿： 【電話響起】 魏科夫：嗨，尤里。 鄂夏柯夫：嗨，史帝夫，你如何？ 魏科夫：還不錯，尤里。你怎樣？ 鄂夏柯夫：我還可以。恭喜你，我的朋友。 魏科夫：謝謝你。 鄂夏柯夫：你工作做得很好。真的是很好。很感謝。謝謝你，謝謝你。 魏科夫：謝謝你，尤里，謝謝你的幫忙。我知道你的國家對此很支持，我很謝謝你們。 鄂夏柯夫：是的，是的，是的。是的。你也知道，這就是為什麼我們停止舉辦俄羅斯與阿 拉伯國的首次家峰會。 魏科夫：是的。 鄂夏柯夫：是啊，因為我們認為你在這（中東）地區做了很好的工作。 魏科夫：嗯，那麼現在請仔細聽。我要來告訴你某些事情。我認為，我認為，如果你能搞 定俄羅斯與烏克蘭之間的事情，大家都會高興極了。 鄂夏柯夫：是的，是的，是的。是的，你只有一個問題須解決。（大笑） 魏科夫：什麼？ 鄂夏柯夫：俄烏戰爭。 魏科夫：我也知道啊！我們要如何解決？ 鄂夏柯夫：我的朋友啊，我只想聽你的建議。你覺得我們兩方的老闆通話，會有用嗎？ 魏科夫：是的，我覺得有用。 鄂夏柯夫：你也這樣想啊。那你覺得何時有機會？ 魏科夫：我覺得只要你提議就行，我的老闆早就在準備。 鄂夏柯夫：好的，好的。 魏科夫：尤里，尤里，（我告訴你）我會這樣做。我的建議是這樣。 鄂夏柯夫：好喔，我洗耳恭聽。 魏科夫：我會打電話，然後再次恭喜總統的成就，表示你很支持，你很支持，說你敬重他 是和平使者，並說你真的，真的很榮幸看到此事達成。所以，我會這樣說。我想從這點出 發，這會是很好的一次電話交談。 因為，我來告訴你，我跟總統說了什麼。我告訴總統，你們，也就是俄羅斯聯邦想達成和 平協議。這是我所相信的。我告訴總統，我對此深信不疑。然後我相信問題是在，兩個國 家難以相互妥協，但若能做到，我們就會有和平協議。我還想說，我們可以擬出類似像是 20點的和平提案，我們在加薩就是如此做。我們推出川普20點計畫，20點和平計畫，我覺 得也能與你們做同樣的事情。我的重點是...... 鄂夏柯夫：好的，好的，我的朋友。我覺得這一點我們兩方的領袖能夠討論。嗨，史帝夫 ，我同意你的想法，他大概會恭賀，他會說川普是真正的和平使者，如此之類的。他會這 樣說。 魏科夫：不過我認為這會很棒。 鄂夏柯夫：好的，好的。 魏科夫：如果，如果，聽我說...... 鄂夏柯夫：我會與老闆談一談，然後再回復你，可以嗎？ 魏科夫：好的，因為聽我說。我只是想說，也許想跟普丁總統說，因為你知道嘛，我對普 丁總統有很深的敬意。 鄂夏柯夫：是，是。 魏科夫：或許他會跟川普總統說：「你知道嘛，史蒂夫和尤里曾經討論過一份非常相似的 20 點和平方案，這可能有助於推動情勢一些。我們也願意開放態度，去探索要達成和平 協議需要什麼條件。」現在，我私下跟你說，我其實知道要達成和平協議需要什麼：頓內 茨克，可能再加上一些土地交換。但我的意思是，與其用那種方式談，不如以更有希望的 語氣來談，因為我覺得我們這次真的有機會達成協議。而且我想，尤里，總統會給我很大 的空間和自主權去推動這件事。 鄂夏柯夫：我懂了...... 魏科夫：……所以，如果我們能創造那個機會，比如說接下來我去和 Yuri 談一談，我覺 得那可能會帶來大事的突破。 鄂夏柯夫：好的，這聽起來不錯，不錯。 魏科夫：還有一件事：澤倫斯基週五要去白宮。 鄂夏柯夫：我知道。[笑] 魏科夫：我會去參加那場會議，因為他們希望我在場。但我認為，如果可能的話，我們最 好在星期五的會面之前，先跟你們老闆通一次電話。 鄂夏柯夫：在那之前、之前——對嗎？ 魏科夫：沒錯。 鄂夏柯夫：好，好。我收到你的建議了。我會和我老闆討論，之後再回覆你，好嗎？ 魏科夫：好的，尤里，之後再聊。 鄂夏柯夫：太好了、太好了。非常感謝，謝謝你。 SW：再見。 YU：再見。 【通話結束】 [phone rings] Steve Witkoff: Hi Yuri. Yuri Ushakov: Yeah Steve hi, how are you? SW: Good Yuri. How you doing? YU: I am ok. Congratulations my friend. SW: Thank you. YU: You made a great job. Just a great job. Thank you so much. Thank you, than k you. SW: Thank you Yuri and thanks for your support. I know your country supported it and I thank you. YU: Yes, yes, yes. Yes. You know that’s why we suspend the organization of fi rst Russian-Arabic summit. SW: Yes. YU: Yeah, because we think that you are making the real job there in the regio n. SW: Well listen. I am going to tell you something. I think, I think if we can get the Russia-Ukraine thing solved, everybody’ll be jumping for joy. YU: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you need to solve only one problem. [laughs] SW: What? YU: Russian-Ukrainian war. SW: I know! How do we get that solved? YU: My friend, I just want your advice. Do you think that it will be useful if our bosses will talk on the phone? SW: Yes, I do. YU: You do. And when you think it could be possible? SW: I think as soon as you suggest, my guy is ready to do it. YU: Ok, ok. SW: Yuri, Yuri, here’s what I would do. My recommendation. YU: Yes, please. SW: I would make the call and just reiterate that you congratulate the preside nt on this achievement, that you supported it, you supported it, that you resp ect that he is a man of peace and you’re just, you’re really glad to have se en it happen. So I would say that. I think from that it’s going to be a reall y good call. Because — let me tell you what I told the President. I told the president tha t you - that the Russian Federation has always wanted a peace deal. That’s my belief. I told the president I believe that. And I believe the question is — the issue is is that we have two nations that are having a hard time coming t o a compromise and when we do, we’re going to have a peace deal. I’m even th inking that maybe we set out like a 20-point peace proposal, just like we did in Gaza. We put a 20-point Trump plan together that was 20 points for peace an d I’m thinking maybe we do the same thing with you. My point is this... YU: Ok, ok my friend. I think that very point our leaders could discuss. Hey S teve, I agree with you that he will congratulate, he will say that Mr. Trump i s a real peace man and so and so. That he will say. SW: But here’s what I think would be amazing. YU: Ok, ok. SW: What if, what if... hear me out... YU: I will discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you. Ok? SW: Yeah because listen to what I’m saying. I just want you to say, maybe jus t to say this to President Putin, because you know I have the deepest respect for President Putin. YU: Yes, Yes. SW: Maybe he says to President Trump: you know, Steve and Yuri discussed a ver y similar 20-point plan to peace and that could be something that we think mig ht move the needle a little bit, we’re open to those sorts of things — to ex plore what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done. Now, me to you, I kno w what it’s going to take to get a peace deal done: Donetsk and maybe a land swap somewhere. But I’m saying instead of talking like that, let’s talk more hopefully because I think we’re going to get to a deal here. And I think Yur i, the president will give me a lot of space and discretion to get to the deal . YU: I see... SW: ...so if we can create that opportunity that after this I talked to Yuri a nd we had a conversation I think that could lead to big stuff. YU: Ok, that sounds good. Sounds good. SW: And here’s one more thing: Zelenskiy is coming to the White House on Frid ay. YU: I know that. [chuckles] SW: I will go to that meeting because they want me there, but I think if possi ble we have the call with your boss before that Friday meeting. YU: Before, before — yeah? SW: Correct. YU: Ok, ok. I got your advice. So I discuss that with my boss and then I come back to you, ok? SW: Ok Yuri, I’ll speak to you soon. YU: Great, great. Thank you so much. Thanks you. SW: Bye, bye. YU: Bye. 報導網址：https://reurl.cc/LQ64W7 備註： 三立記者竟然敢講美國爸爸壞話，是不是打算離職了 --

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