作者Xenogeous (非洲大陸)
看板Christianity
標題Re: [討論] 救恩會失去嗎
時間Fri Sep 29 20:38:39 2017
: → df31: 預定論和救恩不可失去是兩回事，好嗎！ 09/29 00:18
預定論又稱加爾文主義，其中有五點要義。
第五點是「聖徒恆忍蒙保守」
"Perseverance of the saints"
(also known as "perseverance of God with the saints"
and "preservation of the believing")
(the word "saints" is used to refer to all who are set apart by God,
and not of those who are exceptionally holy, canonized, or in heaven)
asserts that since God is sovereign and his will cannot be frustrated
by humans or anything else, those whom God has called into communion
with himself will continue in faith until the end. Those who apparently
fall away either never had true faith to begin with (1 John 2:19),
or, if they are saved but not presently walking in the Spirit,
they will be divinely chastened (Hebrews 12:5–11) and will repent
(1 John 3:6–9).
這就是我們熟知的「一次得救，永遠得救」或「救恩不會失喪」。
召會承認救恩不會失去，但卻不想採用加爾文主義的第五點。
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1F：→ aun5780: 前提是需要被揀選的聖徒喔 09/29 20:45
2F：→ aun5780: 沒被揀選的只是會友 09/29 20:45
3F：→ aun5780: 被揀選的才會保守到底 09/29 20:45
4F：→ aun5780: 沒被揀選的不會有任何保守 09/29 20:46
5F：→ df31: a提我們回答了。 09/29 22:20
6F：→ df31: 還是不懂『一次得救，永遠得救』跟預定論是兩碼子事。 09/29 22:26
7F：推 aun5780: 這真的是兩個獨立的系統 09/30 09:48
8F：→ df31: @a 我們是博物館，專賣古董。現代人不懂。 09/30 09:55
9F：推 aun5780: 真的 09/30 10:12
10F：→ aun5780: 有DF大在真的很棒 09/30 10:13
11F：→ aun5780: 可以從您身上看到很多傳統基督教的特質 09/30 10:13
12F：→ aun5780: 很多都是現在的教會中很難聽到的觀念 09/30 10:14
13F：→ aun5780: 有DF大分享這些教父們的說法 09/30 10:14
14F：→ aun5780: 我覺得非常地受益良多 09/30 10:15