作者LaurenceS (Laurence of Formosa)
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標題[情報] 關於新移民法規資訊的真偽?
時間Sun Jun 7 08:22:00 2015
傳送門:
http://www.sfu.ca/education/cels/bilingual/bilingual-corner/bill-c-24.html
各位加拿大籍者，有誰可以查證這篇紀載的真偽嗎??
這篇好像蠻嚴重的，意思是說加拿大過了一條法律讓政府
可以隨著自己的喜好任意註銷任何非加拿大出生的在籍者
的加拿大國籍國籍，甚至把移民進來加拿大的人或拿雙國籍者
化為"二等公民"。
不知道各位怎麼看?
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1F：推 Lachelt: Bill C-24嗎..唉..目前若乖乖每年報稅，不要參與恐怖組織 06/07 08:50
2F：→ Lachelt: 加拿大政府跟移民局不會隨便找你開刀 06/07 08:52
3F：→ cchris: C-24是一條真實的新法律,引起很多反對聲浪 06/07 08:53
4F：→ cchris: 至於二等公民這些用詞是反對的人自己加的,原文不是這樣 06/07 08:54
5F：→ cchris: 但大意就是說某些公民是可以在一定條件下被取消的 06/07 08:55
7F：→ cchris: 原文在這裡,自己讀;而且你讀這篇文章時也解讀錯了 06/07 08:57
8F：→ cchris: "二等公民"包括在加拿大出生的雙重國籍人,或有資格雙籍者 06/07 08:58
9F：→ cchris: 你如你是台灣人,你在加拿大生了一個小孩,他就有資格雙國籍 06/07 08:58
10F：→ cchris: 就是新法律裡面所定義的"某些人"; 當個奉公守法公民就沒事 06/07 08:59
11F：→ cchris: 而且新法律下,要歸化為加拿大公民的資格也變難了 06/07 08:59
12F：推 Lachelt: 嗯這個月新移民法上路了，移民申請公民條件增高 06/07 09:09
13F：→ cchris: "例如"你是台灣人 06/07 09:44
14F：→ ad1980: 我朋友去年寫的關於 Bill C-24，供參考。 06/07 15:37
16F：→ ad1980: 關於bill-c-24---加拿大公民法新制之淺見 06/07 15:37
17F：→ allenh0728: The point that this bill is unjust is because the 06/13 05:24
18F：→ allenh0728: CIC Minister has the power to revoke anyone's cit 06/13 05:24
19F：→ allenh0728: izenship who he/she, with reasonable ground, belie 06/13 05:24
20F：→ allenh0728: ves that the person has committed crimes listed in 06/13 05:24
21F：→ allenh0728: the bill. Further, in order to appeal the decisio 06/13 05:24
22F：→ allenh0728: n the burden of proof now lies on the defendent. T 06/13 05:24
23F：→ allenh0728: his penalty is violating the Canadian Charter of R 06/13 05:24
24F：→ allenh0728: ights and Freedom Section 11(d) where the Minister 06/13 05:24
25F：→ allenh0728: directly believes the accused is guilty without h 06/13 05:24
26F：→ allenh0728: aving to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. 06/13 05:24
27F：→ allenh0728: Thus directly places the accused under the burden 06/13 05:25
28F：→ allenh0728: of proof and not assuming innocence 06/13 05:25
29F：→ aychou: 沒做危害加拿大安全的事就不用擔心。當你有多重國籍卻作危 06/13 17:35
30F：→ aychou: 害國家的事情時，被取消國籍本就很合理，這表示你根本不在 06/13 17:35
31F：→ aychou: 乎這國家。那些單一國籍的人，政府無權讓他們成為"無國籍 06/13 17:35
32F：→ aychou: 者"，所以沒有能力取消他們的國籍，反對者寫的內容根本混 06/13 17:36
33F：→ aychou: 淆視聽，反因為果。 06/13 17:36
34F：→ allenh0728: You have to have basic knowledge of the legal syst 06/13 17:40
35F：→ allenh0728: em in Canada to actually know why this bill is und 06/13 17:40
36F：→ allenh0728: ermining the legal system. Basically simply believ 06/13 17:40
37F：→ allenh0728: ing you are not innocent and requiring you that yo 06/13 17:40
38F：→ allenh0728: u need prove you are innocent throws the entire le 06/13 17:40
39F：→ allenh0728: gal system back to the dark ages. 06/13 17:40
40F：→ aychou: 違憲可以釋憲。當有人藉由憲法的漏洞危害國家安全時，它又 06/13 19:33
41F：→ aychou: 如何能保障人民的基本安全、自由及權利？時代在改變，恐 06/13 19:33
42F：→ aychou: 怖活動盛行的現在，撤銷國籍、褫奪公權已是必然的趨勢。法 06/13 19:33
43F：→ aychou: 國、加拿大、英國、及澳洲，皆陸續採取類似的措施。目的是 06/13 19:33
44F：→ aychou: 為了抑制猖獗的恐怖活動，並非原po文中，分化公民等級， 06/13 19:33
45F：→ aychou: 甚至控制居住意願等不合理的要求。扭曲文字真意以達到反 06/13 19:33
46F：→ aychou: 對的目的，把亞洲分化族群、等級這套拿來當政治手段，手法 06/13 19:33
47F：→ aychou: 實在不可取，也很粗糙。 06/13 19:33
48F：→ ad1980: 我朋友說恐怖份子是要被 convicted 才算，不是由加拿大政 06/14 07:00
49F：→ ad1980: 府自由心證。 06/14 07:00
50F：→ allenh0728: Having the need of getting a hearsay from a friend 06/14 19:52
51F：→ allenh0728: to say that means you didn't read the entire bill 06/14 19:52
52F：→ allenh0728: yourself. Yes, you have to get convicted in order 06/14 19:52
53F：→ allenh0728: apply the revocation of citizenship. However, it 06/14 19:52
54F：→ allenh0728: also means that it skips the judge's decision and 06/14 19:52
55F：→ allenh0728: it leads straight to citizenship revocation. The 06/14 19:52
56F：→ allenh0728: point I'm arguing is not the fact that there shou 06/14 19:52
57F：→ allenh0728: ld not be a revocation of citizenship when it come 06/14 19:52
58F：→ allenh0728: s to extreme crimes but such punishment should be 06/14 19:52
59F：→ allenh0728: given on a more careful and fair basis as the bil 06/14 19:52
60F：→ allenh0728: l a) gives the Minister the right to revoke anyone 06/14 19:52
61F：→ allenh0728: who is convicted of the crimes listed in the bill 06/14 19:52
62F：→ allenh0728: and has or may get a dual citizenship without a t 06/14 19:52
63F：→ allenh0728: rial or judge hearing, and, b) the revocation only 06/14 19:52
64F：→ allenh0728: applies to those who has and/or able to obtain an 06/14 19:52
65F：→ allenh0728: other citizenship from a foreign sovereignty 06/14 19:52
66F：→ allenh0728: Further, you have to know that, there is no such a 06/14 20:00
67F：→ allenh0728: thing as "apply for an explanation of a section i 06/14 20:00
68F：→ allenh0728: n the Charter of Rights and Freedom" in Canada. Al 06/14 20:00
69F：→ allenh0728: l explanations and interpretations come from the p 06/14 20:00
70F：→ allenh0728: recedents or, as the case enters the surpreme cour 06/14 20:00
71F：→ allenh0728: t of Canada, the Chief Justice will then read out 06/14 20:00
72F：→ allenh0728: the section on the Charter and indicate what shou 06/14 20:00
73F：→ allenh0728: ld apply and then gives a further explanation of t 06/14 20:00
74F：→ allenh0728: he section. Please do try to understand the justic 06/14 20:00
75F：→ allenh0728: e system as this is crucial to understanding the b 06/14 20:00
76F：→ allenh0728: asic grounds to this bill. 06/14 20:00
77F：推 BoBoKevin: 為啥不直接回文呢.................. 06/15 06:34
78F：→ ypwalter: 眼睛好痛 06/15 08:20
79F：推 Qe098149001: 還有雙國籍者敢出國去讀書、工作嗎？ 06/16 09:39
80F：推 allenh0728: the mobility rights outlined in the constitution a 06/16 16:05
81F：→ allenh0728: ct gaurrentees the citizens the freedom to move fr 06/16 16:05
82F：→ allenh0728: eely inside and outside of Canada 06/16 16:05