作者phragmite (Θ.Θ)
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标题[心得] スピード与ループ
时间Sun Mar 14 13:25:45 2010
スピードドライブは ループドライブの一种类に属していますか?
用上句话跑去拜请谷歌大神没什麽结果,大样是我写错了~
以前学球时练习过在沈球高点期前保留旋转地碰回去,练了两堂课後
还是不晓得这样鸟鸟地碰回去有什麽用,问了答案…这居然是攻下旋
时的 speedo? 和我猜想的speedo还差真多,这绝对是在呼哢我!
最近板上掀起一股speedo的讨论热,我这种休闲咖虽然只管打的进就
好,还是好奇地去查了查维基。若照维基的分类,原来我一直都错把
speedo当成power drive/loop kill/rush。看来那个教练不是在诓我
,只因我发力不好,咬不到球,所以没有质量。
按照这种分类,是不是可以说speedo不是loop的一种,所以平常以为
称作speedo的前冲弧圈,其实是另一种东西? 球种的命名总是为了沟
通称呼上的方便,但再怎样也多不过击球时摩擦撞击分配比例的变化
,对岸与国内前冲弧圈的英译也不尽相同,讨论时实在是容易因歧义
而误解。
===========================摘自维基==========================
日文维基:
ドライブ(drive)
スピードドライブ(speed drive)
ループドライブ(loop drive)
カーブドライブ,シュートドライブ (curve & shot drive 内外侧弧)
パワードライブ(power drive)
カウンタードライブ(counter drive)
对照英文维基分类与内容:
Speed drive
These strokes differ to ones from other racket sports like ten
-nis. The racket is primarily perpendicular to the direction of
the stroke, and most of the energy applied to the ball results
in speed rather than spin, creating a shot that does not arc m
-uch, but is fast enough that it can be difficult to return. A
speed drive is used mostly for keeping the ball in play, apply
-ing pressure on the opponent and potentially opening up an opp
-ortunity for a more powerful attack.
Loop drive
Essentially the reverse of the speed drive. The racket is much
more parallel to the direction of the stroke ("closed") and the
racket thus grazes the ball, resulting in a large amount of
topspin. A good loop drive will arc quite a bit, and once striking
the opponent's side of the table will jump forward, much like a
kick serve in tennis. Returning a loop drive may not be
as difficult to return as a speed drive; however, because of its
topspin, it is more likely to rebound off the opponent's racket
at a very high angle, setting up an easy smash (described below)
on the follow up. As the loop drive requires a lot of topspin,
players generally use their entire body to generate the movement
required. Variations in spin and speed add to the effectiveness
of this shot.
Chinese players categorize loop-drives in 3 variations based on
trajectories:
1. The "Loop"
The "Loop" produces a more pronounced loopy arc, with a higher
trajectory and extreme topspin, but is typically slower.
2. The "Loop Kill" ("Rush" in China)
The "Loop Kill" produces a flatter arc, with higher speed that
resembles a speed drive but with stronger topspin, typically
used for replacing speed drive or smash in "put-away" situations.
3. The "Hook"
Similar to a regular Loop, but carries a tilted topspin (or is
referred as the "top-side" spin), it bounces sideways and
downward upon hitting the table. Similar to but stronger than
the defensive "side-drive" described below.
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1F:推 skypiper:如你前文猜测 我学的那一套 speedo是speedo loop是loop 03/14 13:30
2F:→ phragmite:较能理解成loop速度上的加强版,不同於文中speed drive 03/14 14:27
3F:推 winderY5566:看来连维基也赞成"击球时摩擦撞击分配比例的变化" 03/14 17:08
4F:推 COCOAII:Power drive是否就是前面loll板友所提的「爆冲弧圈」? 03/14 19:19
5F:→ phragmite:我把 power drive/rush/loop kill 同视为兼有速度与旋转 03/14 20:43
6F:→ phragmite:的攻击。我觉得在无系统命名原则下,取个手塚弧圈也行, 03/14 20:45
7F:→ phragmite:只要多数的人知道我想传达的是极为"豪小"弧圈之意…… 03/14 20:47
8F:推 yoyo7917:为什麽是スビード而不是スピード呢? 03/14 20:48
9F:→ phragmite:我想,有两种可能…你的字型调太小了/萤幕上有灰尘… 03/14 20:56
10F:推 yoyo7917:嗯,萤幕有灰尘ˊˋ 03/14 21:09
11F:→ minghanwu:wiki 是热心人士的产物, 参考ok, 奉为圭臬 也许不妥 03/14 21:44
12F:→ minghanwu:体育专门术语很难有统一的说法, 或分类法, 各国也不同 03/14 21:45
13F:→ minghanwu:举例: 日本和中国的 "左旋转" 刚好相反 03/14 21:46
14F:→ minghanwu:硬要用一套分类法, 总括天下武学, 好像也有点难 XD 03/14 21:47
15F:推 COCOAII:我查过google,确实有人将'爆冲弧圈"单独出来讨论,想说 03/14 23:24
16F:→ COCOAII:这边的power drive是不是就是所谓的爆冲弧圈? 03/14 23:25
17F:→ COCOAII:因为我不懂日文。XD 03/14 23:25
18F:→ COCOAII:不过我觉得多提出不同的分类方式也不错,因为分类表示 03/14 23:26
19F:→ COCOAII:对事物的看待角度。更细致或更不同的分类方式常可以发掘 03/14 23:26
20F:→ COCOAII:我们没想过的细节。可能这个细节就是能启发我们的关键。 03/14 23:27
21F:→ COCOAII:只要不要是verbal dispute就好,就是同个事物争谁的名字才 03/14 23:29
22F:→ COCOAII:正确。 03/14 23:29
23F:→ phragmite:我看日文维基power drive也解释成球速与旋转兼具,对照 03/14 23:43
24F:→ phragmite:rush/loop kill的说明应该是形容同样的东西。不过既要维 03/14 23:45
25F:→ phragmite:持高速又不损失太多旋转还真的是难,有最佳的触球角度也 03/14 23:46
26F:→ phragmite:得有合理的球点与集中的发力来配合,万事俱备、球质应该 03/14 23:48
27F:→ phragmite:就会让人感觉很"爆"了。 03/14 23:49
28F:→ skypiper:做得到别人做不到的事 才会脱颖而出啊XD 03/14 23:50
29F:→ phragmite:的确如此! 03/14 23:55
30F:推 juangpeiyi:就是板上顾问说的 "加转前冲" 啊 03/15 00:13
31F:→ phragmite:若再进化该称? 悬浮盐粒高的环境中会不会出现加转爆冲:p 03/15 12:53
32F:推 zic1216:没有呼陇你,那是真功夫,有机会可以聊聊^^ 03/22 01:12