※ 引述《Iamaidiot (杂种...那又怎样)》之铭言： : ※ 引述《requiem (Babi Yar)》之铭言： : 恕删 : : 吾生也晚，对岛边从来没兴趣。 : : 相关话题欢迎去其他板另开一栏。 : 虽然知道自己在周六整理版面时一定会後悔,但还是得说: : 如果两位中有人愿意的话可以直接在这里讨论这些问题啦 : 难得有单纯针对政策而非关蓝绿之争的讨论出现,让人好开心啊 : PS: : mchotdicku兄,不知道您是否愿意帮我翻译那篇置底文??? 好的. 前半部译过的部分再译一次 翻译,就是信达雅麻! 信之达之, 不雅应该也无妨 The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the argument itself. 干谯提出某个论点的人,却不是干谯该论点本身 This takes many forms. For example,the person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked. 这种攻击通常有不同形式,例如对手的人格,国籍或是宗教信仰 Alternatively, it may be pointed out that a person stands to gain from a favourable outcome. 这种攻击亦可能换成另外一种方式, 像是,指出对手是为了作出有利的结论而采取某种特定的立场 Or, finally, a person may be attacked by association, or by the company he keeps. 最後一个可能方式,就是质疑对手的阵营或是他所属的组织团体 ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion, the argument attacks the person who made the assertion. 对人不对事;to the man(辱骂); 论证时攻击的不是主张,而是攻击提出该主张的某人 ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an assertion the author points to the relationship between the person making the assertion and the person's circumstances. 对人不对事(间接推测的): 论证时攻击的不是某个主张,而是指出,提出该主张的个人 和其所属环境之关联 ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the person notes that a person does not practise what he preaches. 对人不对事 (反驳指控;"你麻同款"!;you too): 这种形式的攻击指出对象没有履行他 所鼓吹的论点 Examples: You may argue that God doesn't exist, but you are just following a fad. (ad hominem abusive) 举例: 你可能辩称上帝并不存在,但是你只是跟随(无神论的)潮流罢了.(对人不对事的贬抑) We should discount what Premier Klein says about taxation because he won't be hurt by the increase. (ad hominem circumstantial) 关於Kleing首相对於课税的评论,我们最好打一点折扣,因为课税的增加对他来说根本 没有造成损失(对人不对事的间接推测贬抑) We should disregard Share B.C.'s argument because they are being funded by the logging industry. (ad hominem circumstantial) 我们最好不要去鸟B.C.股份有限公司的论点, 因为他们自己就是由伐木企业所资助的公司.(对人不对事的间接推测贬抑) You say I shouldn't drink, but you haven't been sober for more than a year. ( ad hominem tu quoque) 你说我不应该喝酒,但是你自己根本就醉茫茫了一整年!(对人不对事的反驳对手也是 一样) Proof: Identify the attack and show that the character or circumstances of the person has nothing to do with the truth or falsity of the proposition being defended. 破解: 找出该类的攻击,并且表明 企图证实一个人所提的某个论点的是非对错 用不着把他的人格还有其所属环境扯进来 -- 没有joke的西斯和没有西斯的joke如同没有在野党的民主和没有民主的在野党 --

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