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California voters approve Proposition 8 ban on same-sex marriages http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-gaymarriage6-2008nov06,0,2331815.story The measure was the most divisive on the state ballot. Its passage throws into doubt the unions of thousands of recently wed couples. * Proposition 8: Gay marriage ban Yes 52.0% No 48.0% Precincts reporting: ~95.0% By Jessica Garrison, Cara Mia DiMassa and Nancy Vogel 8:35 AM PST, November 5, 2008 A measure to once again ban gay marriage in California was passed by voters in Tuesday's election, throwing into doubt the unions of an estimated 18,000 same-sex couples who wed during the last 4 1/2 months. As Proposition 8, the most divisive and emotionally fraught issue on the state ballot this year, took a lead in early returns, supporters gathered at a hotel ballroom in Sacramento and cheered. "We caused Californians to rethink this issue," Proposition 8 strategist Jeff Flint said. Early in the campaign, he noted, polls showed the measure trailing by 17 points. "I think the voters were thinking, well, if it makes them happy, why shouldn't we let gay couples get married. And I think we made them realize that there are broader implications to society and particularly the children when you make that fundamental change that's at the core of how society is organized, which is marriage," he said. In San Francisco on Tuesday night at the packed headquarters of the "No on 8" campaign party in the Westin St. Francis Hotel, supporters heard from San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom, whose decision to issue same-sex wedding licenses in his city led to the court ruling that made gay marriage briefly legal in the state. . "You decided to live your life out loud. You fell in love and you said, 'I do.' Tonight, we await a verdict," Newsom said, speaking to a roaring crowd before final returns were in. Elsewhere in the country, two other gay-marriage bans, in Florida and Arizona, also won. In both states, laws already defined marriage as a heterosexual institution. But backers pushed to amend the state constitutions, saying that doing so would protect the institution from legal challenges. Proposition 8 was the most expensive proposition on any ballot in the nation this year, with more than $74 million spent by both sides. The measure's most fervent proponents believed that nothing less than the future of traditional families was at stake, while opponents believed that they were fighting for the fundamental right of gay people to be treated equally under the law. "This has been a moral battle," said Ellen Smedley, 34, a member of the Mormon Church and a mother of five who worked on the campaign. "We aren't trying to change anything that homosexual couples believe or want -- it doesn't change anything that they're allowed to do already. It's defining marriage. . . . Marriage is a man and a woman establishing a family unit." On the other side were people like John Lewis, 50, and Stuart Gaffney, 46, who were married in June. They were at the San Francisco party holding a little sign in the shape of pink heart that said, "John and Stuart 21 years." They spent the day campaigning against Proposition 8 with family members across the Bay Area. "Our relationship, our marriage, after 21 years together has been put up for a popular vote," Lewis said. "We have done what anyone would do in this situation: stand up for our family." The battle was closely watched across the nation because California is considered a harbinger of cultural change and because this is the first time voters have weighed in on gay marriage in a state where it was legal. Campaign contributions came from every state in the nation in opposition to the measure and every state but Vermont to its supporters. And as far away as Washington, D.C., gay rights organizations hosted gatherings Tuesday night to watch voting results on Proposition 8. "This is the biggest civil rights struggle for our movement in decades. . . ." said Human Rights Campaign President Joe Solomonese, speaking from a Proposition 8 gathering at a brewery in the nation's capital. "The outcome weighs incredibly heavily on the minds of every single person in the room." Eight years ago, Californians voted 61% to define marriage as being only between a man and a woman. The California Supreme Court overturned that measure, Proposition 22, in its May 15 decision legalizing same-sex marriage on the grounds that the state Constitution required equal treatment of gay and lesbian couples. Opponents of Proposition 8 faced a difficult challenge. Bob Stern, president of the Center for Governmental Studies, said California voters "very, very rarely reverse themselves" especially in such a short time. Both sides waged a passionate -- and at times bitter -- fight over whether to allow same-sex marriages to continue. The campaigns spent tens of millions of dollars in dueling television and radio commercials that blanketed the airwaves for weeks. But supporters and opponents also did battle on street corners and front lawns, from the pulpits of churches and synagogues and -- unusual for a fight over a social issue -- in the boardrooms of many of the state's largest corporations. Most of the state's highest-profile political leaders -- including both U.S. senators and the mayors of San Francisco, San Diego and Los Angeles -- along with the editorial pages of most major newspapers, opposed the measure. PG&E, Apple and other companies contributed money to fight the proposition, and the heads of Silicon Valley companies including Google and Yahoo took out a newspaper ad opposing it. On the other side were an array of conservative organizations, including the Knights of Columbus, Focus on the Family and the American Family Assn., along with tens of thousands of small donors, including many who responded to urging from Mormon, Catholic and evangelical clergy. An early October filing by the "yes" campaign reported so many contributions that the secretary of state's campaign finance website crashed. Proponents also organized a massive grass-roots effort. Campaign officials said they distributed more than 1.1 million lawn signs for Proposition 8 -- although an effort to stage a massive, simultaneous lawn-sign planting in late September failed after a production glitch in China delayed the arrival of hundreds of thousands of signs. Research and polling showed that many voters were against gay marriage, but afraid that saying so would make them seem "discriminatory" or "not cool," said Flint, so proponents hoped to show them they were not alone. Perhaps more powerfully, the Proposition 8 campaign also seized on the issue of education, arguing in a series of advertisements and mailers that children would be subjected to a pro-gay curriculum if the measure was not approved. "Mom, guess what I learned in school today?" a little girl said in one spot. "I learned how a prince married a prince." As the girl's mother made a horrified face, a voice-over said: "Think it can't happen? It's already happened. . . . Teaching about gay marriage will happen unless we pass Proposition 8." Many voters said they had been swayed by that message. "We thought it would go this way," Proposition 8 co-chair Frank Schubert said. "We had 100,000 people on the streets today. We had people in every precinct, if not knocking on doors, then phoning voters in every precinct. We canvassed the entire state of California, one on one, asking people face to face how do they feel about this issue. "And this is the kind of issue people are very personal and private about, and they don't like talking to pollsters, they don't like talking to the media, but we had a pretty good idea how they felt and that's being reflected in the vote count." --



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1F:→ Tutt:fXXk!!!! 11/06 01:12
2F:推 anson999:sad...原来美国也不过如此 (茶) 11/06 01:12
3F:→ puru520:哇赛!还好我英文烂到爆~不然我一定看得懂你想说的! 11/06 01:12
4F:→ fefy:我想我需要翻译... 11/06 01:14
5F:推 Tutt:快翻!免得有人跑出来嘘说「卖弄语言!」ㄎ 11/06 01:15
6F:推 jojoliu:爱情不需翻译。 11/06 01:16
7F:推 pensees:连加州都这样了.... 11/06 01:16
8F:推 QQOliver:真情快译通~ 11/06 01:20
9F:推 manphage:怒 11/06 01:23
10F:推 pedroremorse:对加州人感到失望...希望麻州不要也有样学样搞公投 11/06 01:24
※ 编辑: seawind 来自: 72.43.25.226 (11/06 01:25)
11F:→ pedroremorse:本来像麻州这麽liberal的地方 似乎不用担心 但是看到 11/06 01:25
12F:→ pedroremorse:加州这样 我再也不敢过度乐观了... 11/06 01:26
13F:推 noruas:这不是一场单纯的公民投票..教会在背後大力运作,也砸了大钱 11/06 01:26
14F:→ pedroremorse:是啊 砸大钱拍了一堆愚蠢至极的滥宣传广告... 11/06 01:26
15F:→ noruas:各种宣传铺天盖地而来,很可怕的.. 11/06 01:28
16F:→ noruas:在同志结婚场所的外面,动员来的抗议民众比来支持的人还多 11/06 01:29
17F:推 Kukulza:加拿大现在是保守党执政 令人担忧会不会效法也办公投 11/06 01:30
※ 编辑: seawind 来自: 72.43.25.226 (11/06 01:31)
18F:→ pedroremorse:唉 各国同志要努力撑住啊 目前通过结婚法案的国家 11/06 01:31
19F:→ noruas:我看BBC报导..那些人用大声公对着结婚同志大喊:DEVIL(恶魔) 11/06 01:31
20F:→ pedroremorse:数目停滞不前 ~"~ 美国是大国 所以能通过的意义很大 11/06 01:32
21F:→ handschuhe:有种多数暴力的感觉 11/06 01:32
22F:→ pedroremorse:我总觉得合法结婚国家数目要突破10 还要至少十年~"~ 11/06 01:33
23F:→ pedroremorse:只能期盼西欧与北欧了 亚洲我不敢抱任何期待...= =+ 11/06 01:34
24F:推 weichlai:What a shock! 11/06 01:51
25F:→ pigwayne:加州算有进步,2000年时公投是以64%的高赞成率通过禁止 11/06 02:17
26F:→ pigwayne:今年是52%的样子。 11/06 02:17
27F:→ pigwayne:不过在加州,除没有一张结婚证书,同性伴侣享有大部分的 11/06 02:19
28F:→ swow:WTF!! 11/06 02:20
29F:→ pigwayne:异性恋已婚伴侣的权益及福利 11/06 02:21
30F:→ timright:照楼上这麽说 那我宽心了些 但是通过禁令还是难免失落 11/06 02:22
31F:→ pigwayne:其实Floria也通过禁止同性婚姻...Arkansas是禁止收养 11/06 02:31
32F:→ ursamajor:但之前加州之所以给同性伴侣有异性恋伴侣的权益是因为 11/06 03:51
33F:→ ursamajor:当时并宪法没有规定婚姻必须一男一女的变通办法, 但现在 11/06 03:53
34F:→ ursamajor:宪法已经上架, 我只能悲观的想这些原本有的权力会被拿掉 11/06 03:54
35F:推 cder:还是加拿大比较好,全国承认同姓婚姻 11/06 04:00
36F:推 twowugs:加拿大去年已经重新提案过,被否决,当时Harper就已经说不 11/06 06:16
37F:→ twowugs:会再提,这几年不太可能再来一次 11/06 06:17
38F:→ pigwayne:之前有定义过公民结合和婚姻的不同,所以权利应该还在 11/06 06:17
39F:→ pigwayne:毕竟此次的宪法增修只是规定"婚姻"属於一男一女 11/06 06:18
40F:推 winddolphin:摩门教会总会听说捐款占了yes on 8的25%.... 11/06 11:48
41F:推 ahchoo:动员就是暴力 11/06 13:25
42F:→ ursamajor:看到有人开始讨论这一只宪法是否抵触联邦宪法增修条文 11/06 20:44
43F:→ ursamajor:14条平等的部分... 也许这是另一条路 11/06 20:47








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