作者Oikeiosis (怎麽啦)
看板ask-why
标题Re: About Placebo...
时间Thu Mar 26 02:33:52 2009
真的很用功 马上把这麽新的东西拿出来
不过我完全同意这篇的看法
※ 引述《daze (一期一会)》之铭言:
: Placebo似乎没有想像中那麽大的效果。
: 我翻到 Cochrane Library 的一篇Review:
: 《Placebo interventions for all clinical conditions》
: (http://www.mrw.interscience.wiley.com/cochrane/clsysrev/articles/
: CD003974/frame.html 缩址:http://0rz.tw/LUu02 )
: Plain language summary
: Placebo treatments for all clinical conditions
: It has been widely believed that placebo (dummy) treatments (for example
: sugar tablets) are associated with substantial effects on a wide range of
: health problems. However, this belief is not based on evidence from
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: randomised trials that use a placebo treatment for one group of people, while
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: another group receives no treatment. The effect of placebo treatments was
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: studied by reviewing more than 150 such trials covering many types of
: healthcare problems. Placebo treatments caused no major health benefits,
: although they possibly had a small effect on outcomes reported by patients,
: for example pain.
: 这篇Review对156个Study做meta-analysis。
: 这些Study的共通点是,有"给Placebo的组"与"完全没给药的组",并且是RCT的。
你说得很正确 这篇论文比较了placebo跟完全没给药的差别
结果证实完全没给药跟只给安慰剂没有显着差别(少数几个分类有显着 但是比bias小)
所以显然完全不给药就跟给安慰剂的效果一样好
这点我完全认同 而且在他做研究之前我本来就是这样相信的
给安慰剂跟完全不鸟他本来就应该没什麽差异才对
这跟我之前说得安慰剂效应大概在六七成 本身并没有冲突
因为安慰剂效应是指病人健康有进步就算
这篇文章是比较两种的差别 本来就是不太一样的事情
容我多补充一点
我认为安慰剂效应有可能是心理或社会的因素影响而来 (安慰剂有效的机制不明)
病人主观的心理因素会因为跟「什麽也不做」对照而因此得到不支持的看法
但是病人离开致病的环境、接近医院的心理影响
还有社会环境的因素 都还无法靠这两者的对照而得到肯证或否证
: (具体的标准:
: We searched the Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials (CENTRAL) (The
: Cochrane Library Issue 4, 2002), MEDLINE (1966 to 2002), EMBASE (1980 to 2002),
: Biological Abstracts (1986 to 2002), and PsycLIT (1887 to 2002). We contacted
: experts on placebo research, and read references in the included trials.
: We included randomised placebo trials with a no-treatment control group
: investigating any health problem.
: )
: 结果:
: We found no statistically significant pooled effect of placebo in 38 studies
: with binary outcomes (4284 patients), relative risk 0.95 (95% confidence
: interval (CI) 0.89 to 1.01). The pooled relative risk for patient-reported
: outcomes was 0.95 (95% CI 0.88 to 1.03) and for observer-reported outcomes
: 0.91 (95% CI 0.81 to 1.03). There was heterogeneity (P=0.01) but the funnel
: plot was symmetrical. There was no statistically significant effect of
: placebo interventions in the four clinical conditions investigated in three
: trials or more: pain, nausea, smoking, and depression, but confidence
: intervals were wide.
: We found an overall effect of placebo treatments in 118 trials with
: continuous outcomes (7453 patients), standardised mean difference (SMD) -0.24
: (95% CI -0.31 to -0.17). The SMD for patient-reported outcomes was -0.30 (95%
: CI -0.38 to -0.21), whereas no statistically significant effect was found for
: observer-reported outcomes, SMD -0.10 (95% CI -0.20 to -0.01). There was
: heterogeneity (P<0.001) and large variability in funnel plot results even for
: big trials. There was an apparent effect of placebo interventions on pain
: (SMD -0.25 (95% CI -0.35 to-0.16)), and phobia (SMD -0.63 (95% CI -1.17 to
: -0.08)); but also a substantial risk of bias. There was no statistically
: significant effect of placebo interventions in eight other clinical
: conditions investigated in three trials or more: nausea, smoking, depression,
: overweight, asthma, hypertension, insomnia and anxiety, but confidence
: intervals were wide.
: Authors' conclusions:
: There was no evidence that placebo interventions in general have clinically
: important effects. A possible small effect on continuous patient-reported
: outcomes, especially pain, could not be clearly distinguished from bias.
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