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标题[转录][外电] Draft Express 体测分析
时间Wed May 26 15:41:11 2010
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作者: Martin23 (宫城马丁!) 看板: Kings
标题: [外电] Draft Express 体测分析
时间: Wed May 26 05:48:02 2010
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Analyzing the NBA Combine Measurements
by: Jonathan Givony - President
May 22, 2010
另一篇体测分析 来自Draft Express
(前面略 一些前言跟有趣的)
Average Heights/Wingspans/Standing Reaches
体测平均
位置 样本数 平均高度(裸足) 平均体重 平均臂展 平均站立可摸
PG 8 6'1.69 200 6'6.1 8'2.4
SG 8 6'3.69 207 6'8.3 8'5
SF 10 6'6.33 212 6'10.9 8'9.6
PF 13 6'8.12 232 7'1.7 9'0.2
C 9 6'9.86 262 7'4.4 9'3.3
Notable measurements
值得注意的
-John Wall’s measurements are simply outstanding for a point guard.
Physically, he looks superior to Derrick Rose (6-1 ½ without shoes, 6-8
wingspan) and Russell Westbrook (6-2 ¼ without shoes, 6-7 ¾ wingspan), two
players he’s often compared with.
At 6-2 ¾ without shoes, with a 6-9 wingspan, Wall should have no problem
defending NBA shooting guards, making him extremely versatile in the sense that
he can be paired in the same backcourt with another combo guard, such as
Gilbert Arenas. Add in the fact that Wall was the biggest star of the weekend
in both the NBA team and media interviews, and this combine could not have gone
any better for him.
John Wall -
约翰墙先生最常被拿来跟Rose还有Westbrook比较
然而Wall的体测结果甚至比那两位都还要更好
人高手长 让他守到2号位也不是问题
就算跟另一个双能卫一起放在後场(Ex:Arenas) 也不是问题
总而言之Wall来势汹汹 体测结果不过是锦上添花
The gap between Wall and Turner appears to be too wide to close at this point,
barring something disastrous happening in Washington.
目前Wall跟Turner之间的差距越来越大
除非北韩把华盛顿给炸了 不然巫师闭着眼睛也知道该选谁
-Evan Turner has short arms relative to his height, coming out at a solid 6-5
3/4 without shoes, with a 6-8 wingspan. His wingspan is in fact shorter than
that of John Wall, despite being 3 inches taller. That didn’t seem to affect
Turner at the college level as a rebounder (9.2 per game) or as a defender (he’
s one of the best perimeter stoppers in this draft), but it will be interesting
to see how this affects his finishing ability in the NBA. Turner is considered
average from an explosiveness standpoint.
Evan Turner-
一切都不错 就是臂展短了些 甚至比Wall还短
不过这也没什麽大不了 Turner在NCAA依旧是抓篮板高手(平均9.2个)
也是相当好的外围防守者
唯一要注意的就是进了NBA之後 他的臂展会不会影响到他的finish能力
Interestingly enough, Turner’s measurements are quite similar to those of
Brandon Roy (6-5 ¼ without shoes, 6-8 wingspan), the player he’s most often
compared to.
Turner常被拿来跟Roy比较 巧的是他的体测结果跟Roy也很像
-DeMarcus Cousins’ measurements are phenomenal. He stands 6-9 ½ without
shoes, with a gigantic 7-5 ¾ wingspan and a standing reach of 9-5. He’s a
physical specimen at the center position, with measurements similar to that of
Brook Lopez (just much bulkier), and superior to those of Dwight Howard (who
was 18 at the time he was measured and could have very well grown since), Greg
Oden and Al Jefferson.
DeMarcus Cousins-
表弟的体测结果相当好 标准的中锋身材
体测数据跟Brook Lopez蛮像的
甚至要比Dwight Howard(18岁时) 老脸Oden Al Jefferson 还要好
The only concern is his high body fat percentage of 16.3%, which ranks as t
12th-highest figure of any player in our database. By comparison, Mike Sweetney
came in at 14.1% and Shaquille O’Neal 12.2%. What’s alarming here is that
Cousins is considered to be in the best shape of his life at the moment. Both
he and his agent are making a big deal of the fact that he’s been eating as
healthy (“seafood and salad diet”) and working out as intensely as he ever
has. NBA teams are worried about Cousins resting on his laurels once he’s been
drafted and signs a contract. This measurement won’t ease any of those
concerns.
好了 又要讲到他的16.3%体脂肪
根据徐展元刚刚查到的资料 16.3%是有史以来的第12高
Mike Sweetney(你哪位= =)只有14.1% 欧肥也只有12.2%
一般认为表弟目前的身体状态 大概已经是有生以来最好的(结果只有这样)
Cousins表示他现在都只吃海鲜跟莎拉 并且还很认真的在做训练
一旦他被选中之後 他还会努力节食并且训练吗
-Derrick Favors’ measurements (6-8 ¾ without shoes, 7-4 wingspan, 9-2
standing reach) are excellent as well, giving him enough size and length to
slide into the center position (once he bulks up) and giving him terrific
dimensions for a power forward. As the youngest player in the draft, Favors
needs to continue to add bulk to his 245-pound frame, but that doesn’t appear
to be an issue at all. As time moves on, he will continue to fill out and add
muscle in the weight room.
Derrick Favors-
身为此次选秀最年轻的选手 Favors的数据也很棒
打PF很好 加重一点就可以打中锋
不过别担心 进NBA之後该大的地方就会自己大起来 我是说肌肉
Interestingly enough, Favors’ measurements compare quite favorably with those
of Dwight Howard, a player he draws some (perhaps slightly optimistic)
comparisons to. Howard measured just a quarter of an inch taller than Favors at
the same age, was five pounds lighter and had a wingspan just half an inch
longer. His measurements are comparable to the likes of Chris Bosh, Nene and
Emeka Okafor, and are superior to those of Al Horford, another player who he’s
often compared to.
Favors数据跟Howard有点像 像是Bosh Nene还有Okafor那一型的
虽然常被拿来跟Al Horford比 不过他的数据比Horford更好些
-Al-Farouq Aminu measured fairly well too, coming in at 6-7 ¼ without shoes
with a massive 7-3 ¼ wingspan. Despite his unimpressive interviews—he looked
fairly unenthusiastic and stated repeatedly that he sees himself almost
strictly as a small forward—he has enough height and length to see minutes at
power forward in a small lineup. His measurements compare favorably to those of
Josh Smith (6-7 without shoes, 7-0 wingspan), Jeff Green (6-7 ¾, 7-1
Danny Granger (6-7 ½, 7-1 ½).
Al-Farouq Aminu-
阿米牛数据也很棒
虽然他被访问时都很冷淡 而且一直跳针说他真的只是SF的料
不过他在比较矮小的阵容中还是可以去打PF 科科
比较像是Josh Smith, Jeff Green, Danny Granger
Wesley Johnson isn’t far behind him at 6-6 ¼ without shoes with an excellent
7-1 wingspan.
Wesley Johnson-
跟阿米牛相差不远 (按:评语怎麽只有一行 你是Dororo吗)
-Greg Monroe not only has the size, girth and length to play the center
position (at 6-9 ¾ without shoes, 247 pounds and a 7-2 ¼ wingspan), that may
be his optimal position. He’s a unique player when taking into account his
dimensions, basketball IQ and passing ability. He looks like a pretty safe bet
to be picked in the top 10. The only concern is his (slightly) higher than
normal body fat percentage (11.2%), which probably wouldn’t be an issue if
teams didn’t already have reservations about his passion for the game.
Greg Monroe-
梦萝打中锋很棒
他的身材 篮球IQ 还有传球能力 能让它变成一个独特的球员
他会是前十顺位的安全牌
唯一的小瑕疵就是11.2%的体脂肪稍微高了点
-Larry Sanders’ measurements (6-9 ¼ without shoes, 7-5 ¾ wingspan, 9-4
standing reach) are eerily similar to those of DeMarcus Cousins (6-9 ½, 7-5 ¾
, 9-5), minus 70 pounds (292 to 222). As one NBA assistant GM told us—“if you
can put 20 pounds on that kid, he [can] be an absolute force in the paint.”
Larry Sanders-
测量结果跟表弟几乎是同一个模子刻出来的 (除了体重)
根据隔壁老王(某个助理GM)表示
如果他再增重20磅 他可以帮你管好禁区
-Dexter Pittman is quite a unique physical specimen in his own right, measuring
6-9 ½ without shoes, with a 7-6 wingspan. He also has the biggest hands in
this draft (a new stat) at 10.5 inches.
Dexter Pittman-
独特的大只身材 最大的手掌(10.5寸)
The fact that Pittman tips the scale at over 300 pounds and measuring nearly
21% body fat (fourth highest in history after Chris Marcus, Oliver Miller and
James Lang) tells us that he still has a long ways to go with his conditioning.
But if he’s willing to commit himself, he could carve out a long and lucrative
professional career.
300磅的吓人体重 史上第四高的21%体脂肪 加油好吗
不过如果有恒心有毅力 他的职业生涯也会是不错的
-Ekpe Udoh also measured quite nicely: a legit 6-8 ¾ without shoes, with a 7-4
½ wingspan. He has the size and length to play either the power forward or
center spot comfortably, especially if he adds weight to his 237-pound frame.
Ekpe Udoh-
数据都不错 打PF打C都可以
最好再增重一些
-Daniel Orton’s measurements are nearly identical at 6-8 ¾ without shoes,
with a 7-4 ¼ wingspan. Add in the fact that he’s 269 pounds and he clearly
has the dimensions of a NBA center. He does need to work on his 13.8% body fat
percentage though.
Daniel Orton-
是打中锋的料
不过体脂肪13.8% 加油好吗
-The freakiest measurements of all belong to Hassan Whiteside. The soon-to-be
21-year-old freshman bafflingly elected to arrive for measurements in
flip-flops (a true story), which only gave him an additional inch in shoes
(6-10 ½ without shoes, 6-11 ½ with)—as opposed to Cole Aldrich who gained 2
¼ inches. With that said, he possesses one of the longest wingspans in NBA
pre-draft camp history at 7-7.
本日最怪异
Hassan Whiteside VS Cole Aldrich
白边这家伙 竟然在测量这一天只穿了个夹脚拖来(!?!?)
这双楼下杂货店买的蓝白夹脚拖 只让他穿鞋之後高了一寸
有没有搞错阿 你隔壁那个阿机机 他可是穿了郭彦甫卖的增高鞋垫
穿鞋之後整整高了2 1/4寸耶!!
不过白边的臂展7'7 是史上数一数二的
-Looking for a poor man’s John Wall? Take a look at Dominique Jones. He tied
with Wall for longest wingspan among point guards in the 2010 class at 6-9 ¼,
and measured out a half an inch taller as well. Jones is getting more and more
buzz as we predicted in an article a few weeks ago, which highlighted him as
one of the biggest sleepers in the draft.
Dominique Jones-
买不起John Wall吗? 这里有一个穷人板好便宜的
Dominique Jones有跟Wall一样的臂展 也比Wall高半寸
厝边巷尾已经越来越多人在讨论他了
-Also measuring nicely among the point guards was Armon Johnson: 6-2 without
shoes, with a 6-8 wingspan. Eric Bledsoe came out a bit short at 6-0 ¼ without
shoes, but his 6-7 ½ wingspan does help compensate for that. On the other end
of the spectrum we find Jon Scheyer, the lone player to measure a wingspan
shorter than his height, at 6-4 ¾ without shoes, with a 6-3 ¼ wingspan.
其他PG也有不错的数字 像是
Armon Johnson,
Eric Bledsoe
不过
Jon Scheyer这家伙臂展还比身高短 怪怪
-Among wing players, Xavier Henry looks terrific, as expected, at 6-5 ¼
without shoes, with an excellent 6-11 ¼ wingspan. He has ample size to play
either shooting guard or small forward, which should help ease his transition
in defending perimeter players at the NBA level.
Xavier Henry-
你棒棒 这些数据要打SG或是SF都可以
在NBA要防守到外围去应该也不是问题
-Terrico White doesn’t always play like the point guard many project him as,
but that doesn’t seem to be an issue considering he’s 6-3 ¾, with a 6-9
wingspan--more than adequate size for an NBA shooting guard.
White had a very good weekend here at the combine, looking smooth and polished
in the drills and showing off a terrific shooting stroke. He’s a chiseled
specimen as well. He has an absurdly low body fat percentage of 3.7%.
Terrico White-
去打SG吧 PG不适合你
这个周末表现得很不错 投篮佳
3.7%体脂肪 肌肉线条不错
-At 6-2 without shoes, with a 6-7 ¼ wingspan, Avery Bradley might just be able
to get by at the shooting guard position, which appears to be a more natural
fit for him. Numerous NBA executives pointed out how impressed they were with
him this weekend. His stock appears to be rising considerably at the moment.
Adding strength to his 180-pound frame looks like a big priority for the
freshman at the moment.
Avery Bradley-
打SG勉强ok
不过在各队高层间的评价不错 後势看涨
体重180磅 现在要做的就是赶快吃胖
-Willie Warren is not particularly long (6-6 wingspan), but he should be fine
seeing minutes at the shooting guard position, considering his 6-2 ½ height.
Measuring a legit 6-4 in shoes was a hurdle he needed to clear, and he managed
to do so.
Willie Warren-
SG一只
-Luke Babbitt (6-7 ½ without shoes, 6-11 ¼ wingspan) and Paul George (6-7 ¾
without shoes, 6-11 ¼ wingspan) played in the same conference, play the same
position and are getting buzz from NBA executives thanks to their impressive
measurements and shooting displays at the combine. Their stocks appear to be on
the rise.
Luke Babbitt-
Paul George-
评测佳 投篮佳 後势看涨
-Gordon Hayward’s wingspan won’t knock anyone’s socks off at 6-7 ¾,
compared to his 6-8 measurement in shoes.
Gordon Hayward-
普普通通 没啥好说
-Patrick Patterson looks pretty solid at the power forward position, standing
6-9 and change in shoes, with a 7-1 ¼ wingspan. Combine that with his
outstanding interviews in Chicago (some teams called him the most impressive
interview of anyone in this class) and he seems to be doing quite well at the
moment.
Patrick Patterson-
看起来是个相当不错的PF身材
有些球队认为他是访谈表现最出色的一个
股价上涨中
-Ryan Richards capped off a spectacular weekend from his perspective, measuring
6-10 ½ without shoes, with a 7-1 ½ wingspan. Even though he has struggled to
find a long-term home for himself in Europe, the 19-year old could very well be
drafted in the second round and stashed for a year or two in the D-League.
Richards is one of the biggest mystery prospects in this draft after playing in
Switzerland this past season. NBA teams won’t have the luxury of evaluating
him at the adidas EuroCamp in Treviso from what he told us.
Ryan Richards-
裸足6-10 ½寸 臂展7-1 ½ 去年在瑞士打球
19岁的他可能会在第二轮被选 放到D-League练个一两季
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※ 编辑: Martin23 来自: 140.112.91.122 (05/26 05:54)
1F:推 KillLakers:白边 XDDDDDDDDDDD 该说他随性还是随便呢 XDDD 05/26 07:20
2F:推 levisu:Mike Sweetney就是当初尼克队的小甜甜 05/26 09:00
3F:推 santabrelai:太阳加油! 05/26 09:42
4F:推 santabrelai:替补打得好疯啊@@ 05/26 09:46
5F:推 RonArtest93:所以又回到老问题 表弟掉下来我们要检还不检 05/26 09:48
6F:推 santabrelai:Frye好像复活了,不过纬来怎麽说他以前在阿拓跟尼克都 05/26 09:54
7F:→ santabrelai:打内线,是我记错了吗? 05/26 09:54
8F:推 RonArtest93:没错啊 他都打内线啊 05/26 09:56
9F:推 santabrelai:不是以前就是投射型的@@ 05/26 09:56
10F:推 eliczone:没有 有一段时间是让他打内线 结果发现那不是他的区域 05/26 09:58
11F:→ RonArtest93:算有外线的内线吧 其实他内线活动力还可以 05/26 09:58
12F:→ RonArtest93:到太阳完全转成外线 05/26 09:58
13F:→ santabrelai:可是从NYK开始,三年生涯都是16-23feet出手比例最高@@ 05/26 09:58
14F:→ santabrelai:第四年就变成23feet以上出手最多了Orz 05/26 10:00
15F:→ santabrelai:64:55 Beat LA! Beat LA! Beat LA! Beat LA! 05/26 10:01
16F:推 RonArtest93:内线不够硬就会变成标准的越打越外面噜.... 05/26 10:02
17F:推 RonArtest93:回到这篇 所以白边正常穿鞋可能到 7-0~~7-1 之间 05/26 10:05
18F:推 RonArtest93:然後Avery Bradley 的体能条件应该十分有趣 05/26 10:07
19F:→ RonArtest93:可以拿来跟前几年的 westbrook 做个比较 05/26 10:08
20F:推 santabrelai:啊,Martin兄抱歉,我只敢在版内乱,版外小孬孬 05/26 10:12
22F:→ RonArtest93:除了wall 外Bradley是个非常有趣的小後卫观察目标 05/26 10:16
23F:推 santabrelai:Kobe鬼神表现.... 05/26 10:43
24F:推 Kshatri:蓝白拖XDDDDDD 好歹穿个小蓝豹吧XD 05/26 11:01
25F:推 santabrelai:又是替补神经病三分弹! 05/26 11:05
26F:推 santabrelai:Gentry剩五分钟还让替补在场上,真是豪迈 05/26 11:12
27F:推 newjangevan:太阳板凳暴徒...猛啊 05/26 11:17
28F:推 eliczone:替补打顺了当然让替补继续打 不需要换 05/26 11:18
29F:推 newjangevan:Beat LA了 好屌! 05/26 11:25
30F:推 santabrelai:每次看湖人比赛都在想,这样的湖人打得赢超赛吗? 05/26 11:26
31F:→ santabrelai:每次看超赛比赛都在想,这样的超赛打得赢湖人吗? 05/26 11:27
32F:推 eliczone:超赛的成熟度比较高 整个球队真的有一体的感觉 05/26 11:28
33F:推 RonArtest93:beat LA 05/26 11:35
34F:→ KillLakers:太阳真的太帅了 要对小帅哥+达利+阿忙意淫了 XDDDD 05/26 11:38
35F:推 eliczone:Amundson之前我记得有在国王的夏季联盟过 2、3年前 05/26 11:39
36F:推 eliczone:还是我记错 05/26 11:39
37F:推 eliczone:其实Beno并不比抓鸡鸡差 本季Beno也很多令人激赏的表现 05/26 11:40
38F:推 eliczone:让我怀疑斯洛维尼亚的後卫都要是左撇和很会切吗 05/26 11:40
39F:推 santabrelai:阿泰感觉完全使不上力,已经够多持球者了,湖人没理由 05/26 11:41
40F:→ santabrelai:由让他处理球,偏偏只是防守跟三分的话,他未必100%符 05/26 11:42
41F:→ santabrelai:合需求@@ 05/26 11:42
42F:推 sokghiko:跳针了......................... 05/26 11:43
43F:推 KillLakers:抓鸡鸡传球切入比较好 救援王的跳投(包括急停)比较强 05/26 11:44
44F:→ KillLakers:不过抓鸡鸡要走至少会等飘发哥不在 就是Beno的年纪了 05/26 11:45
45F:推 eliczone:Beno的左手上篮也很难挡 有一堆这样子的镜头 05/26 11:51
46F:推 eliczone:湖人输在外线 但是这不能怪他们 因为他们根本没有可以投 05/26 11:51
47F:推 eliczone:外线的人 莎莎!? 他有上吗 怪阿泰? 脑子不知道有没有 05/26 11:52
48F:推 eliczone:装错东西 阿泰本来就不是投外线的料 他的外线烂透了 就像 05/26 11:52
49F:推 eliczone:怪O'Neal罚球烂一样 怪Odom、香浓、法马也是 没在用脑 05/26 11:53
50F:推 eliczone:他们都不是投外线的料 不是偶尔进个几颗就叫会投 05/26 11:53
51F:推 eliczone:Bynum当初讲得好像是救世主一样 结果 科科 还不是剩Gasol 05/26 11:54
52F:推 eliczone:但Gasol还是老问题啊 软啊 太阳有阿骂和Lopez 就累死他 05/26 11:55
53F:推 eliczone:Odom只是因为高度来充人数 根本不是打内线的料 05/26 11:55
54F:推 eliczone:但是相信我 下一场太阳会很难打 因为哨音 05/26 11:56
55F:→ eliczone:防守方面应该要尽量不要包 越包越死 就会变成遍地开花 05/26 11:58
56F:→ eliczone:宁愿让你切 看你多会切 不要去包夹 至少要人站在前面 05/26 11:59
57F:推 RonArtest93: [外电] Draft Express 体测分析 05/26 12:09
58F:推 eliczone:哈 歹势歹势 就顺着进来了 05/26 12:10
59F:→ RonArtest93:Martin23表示: 老师在讲你们没有在听嘛!! Q Q 05/26 12:11
60F:推 Yocoldagain:表弟超级潜力股!! 05/26 12:40
61F:推 sokghiko:我还蛮怕他近来造成的化学效用,说不定他跟队上不合,加 05/26 13:09
62F:→ sokghiko:上教练管不动。最後变的跟尼克队的柯瑞一样 05/26 13:10
63F:→ sokghiko:仔细想国王好像没人有刺青,都是乖宝宝> < 05/26 13:11
64F:推 squall9510:楼上 阿妹阿 " 可 以 " 05/26 13:25
65F:推 sokghiko:阿梅的脸呆呆的,所以他是哈~~~宝宝 05/26 13:31
66F:推 kikijuice:我觉得Chemistry这一点 除了入队以後评断 其余并无根据 05/26 13:32
67F:→ kikijuice:除非这球员素行不良 常常被条子抓 或者公然向教练队友 05/26 13:33
68F:→ kikijuice:出言不逊或动粗 不然素行不良这四个字真的没什麽根据 05/26 13:33
69F:推 eliczone:同意楼上 05/26 13:34
70F:推 KillLakers:表弟能掉下来大概就是因为熊庹了 要赌吗 XDDD 05/26 13:42
71F:推 kikijuice:体测只是一部分 先等有球测试出来再说吧 05/26 13:44
72F:→ kikijuice:不知道今年是几号就是了 去年似乎是六月多的样子 05/26 13:45
73F:推 eliczone:6/24选秀 所以在这之前的几周应该都可以 05/26 13:53
74F:推 Kshatri:蓝豆腐先前也黑过,到灰熊後改邪归正,还进了明星赛呢XD 05/26 13:55
75F:推 sokghiko:你想等那麽久= = 05/26 14:00
76F:推 eliczone:应该是在说 这种东西是很难说的 有时候都是媒体在炒作 05/26 14:18
77F:推 lucifer1C1:优良文章....借转一下火箭版.... 05/26 14:42
78F:→ Martin23:我还想说为啥这篇可以推到50多XD 湖人输球美好的一天科科 05/26 14:54
79F:→ jiuan1027:借转刺板 thanks. 05/26 14:56
80F:推 freetempo:转NBA板 05/26 15:04
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81F:推 Kshatri:Pittman不是退出选秀了吗? 05/26 15:10
82F:推 monmo:再借转 其实国王休季期间可以兼选秀讨论版了XD 05/26 15:17
83F:推 KillLakers:重看了一次 白边的臂展7'7 是「史上」数一数二的!!!!!! 05/26 15:18
84F:→ Kshatri:国王选妃版(...光速逃) 05/26 15:19
85F:→ KillLakers:白边:这麽长 不选吗 XDDDDDDDDDD 05/26 15:19
86F:推 ymcdc:可借转巫师板吗 谢谢。 05/26 15:41
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87F:推 CaronButler:明年见真章! 05/26 16:18
88F:→ ymcdc:明年阵容应该会大洗牌 别忘了我们还有第30签 05/26 18:49
89F:推 MatrixMJ:除非北韩把华盛顿炸了XDD 05/26 19:14
90F:推 Kreen:XDDD 南韩你们到底要不要硬起来~ 05/27 02:08
91F:→ ymcdc:打不起来吧 打仗要粮 都吃不饱了 打啥 05/27 02:16
92F:→ Kreen:主要是南韩太没 Guts 了,传都给炸了,还不反击一下= = 05/27 02:18
93F:推 kuchibu:其实Turner 身材的小缺点他在比赛中都有反应出来了 05/27 03:13
94F:→ kuchibu:他很常闪躲型投篮可能和他的窄身和手臂有一点点关系 05/27 03:15
95F:→ kuchibu:但也可以说他很会利用身体 因为他够壮 常利用对抗 05/27 03:17
96F:→ ymcdc:不是每个人都像LBJ那样呀~~~ 05/27 07:52