作者hsinhanchu (hsinhanchu)
看板Wargaming
标题[情报] AW世界观与反派阵营简介
时间Thu Oct 1 22:06:51 2015
伺服器没开,所以先来翻一些背景设定的东西。
这个世界设定看起来有点毛,但是看到反派阵营设定的时候,不得不佩服能写出这种
黑色幽默的作者。
以下都是我流翻译,不完全依照原文,意思不会跑掉太多就是了。
之前版上的简介文有提到,AW的各式装甲载具不是以原产国家区分,而是以武器供应商
(dealer)分成不同阵营。目前开放两位供应商,Woelfi和Shiskin,开发组已经承诺未来
会将瑞典、南韩、捷克等国家的载具放到第三供应商的旗下,这个供应商的设定帮制作组
省了不少麻烦(对照WOT),而且还可以和背景故事做一些连结。
=所以这个满街都是战车乱跑的世界到底发生了什麽事=
At the beginning of the 21st century, few could imagine the conflagration
sparked by a myriad of local flashpoints spanning every corner of the globe.
Europe was overwhelmed by refugees, tens of millions fleeing from conflicts
fueled by anger, greed and years of financial crisis and stagnation which
started in the least stable regions and inexorably spread.
21世纪初,没有多少人能想像全球各处深陷於无数小型冲突热点构成的巨灾中。欧洲被难
民浪潮淹没,愤怒、贪婪、长期金融危机与经济停滞导致全球最不稳定地区爆发冲突,难
民自这些区域逃出,且无可遏止的向外散播。
Greece's final complete economic collapse triggered a chain reaction that
threw Europe into chaos. Bulgaria took the worst of it – as the Bulgarian
Greek-owned banks collapsed with Greece. The entire region was swept into a
maelstrom of havoc, ruining countless lives and destroying any semblance of a
status quo, but providing opportunities for those unscrupulous enough to
exploit the situation. The remnants of the European Union were paralyzed by
the growing gap between the governments and their people, and violent
anti-government protests became commonplace, giving birth to numerous
anarchist movements. Weapon caches from the crumbling governments of the
third-world became the armories of the insurgencies.
希腊经济全面崩溃,其後的连锁反应让欧洲陷入浑沌。受灾最重的国家是保加利亚,
国内的希腊银行与母国金融一起崩溃。巴尔干地区因此陷入全面混乱,使无数人民的日常
生活崩溃,一切粉饰太平的意图也被粉碎。但敢於利用局势者趁势崛起,欧盟剩余的国家
政府与人民对立日渐加深,暴力反政府抗争成为家常便饭,且更进一步导致无政府主义运
动,第三世界治理不良的国家成为反抗军的武器供应源。
In the Middle East, the Syrian crisis spilled into the entire region,
shattering Syria into multiple warring regions with Kurdish militias
attempting to carve their own territories out of the chaos, frequently
clashing with Turkish forces in a conflict that rapidly became a full-blown
civil war.
在中东,叙利亚战火蔓延全区,叙利亚被分裂为数个互相交战的政权,意图建立
自主领土的库德民兵不时与土耳其军交火,随即演变为政权间的全面内斗。
As Europe reeled from these blows, the newly elected American president
decided to turn towards isolationism by bringing home most of the troops
serving abroad, fearing “another Iraq” would happen if the American
soldiers were further involved in the Middle East. This was supported by new
technologies that allowed the USA to be energy independent. The new American
strategy of providing military support to U.S.-friendly countries relied
heavily on the use of American-backed PMC’s, as demonstrated by the 2018 War
of the Precipice between Israel and its neighbors. This strategy had major
repercussions, leading to the loss of direct influence in many parts of the
world, especially South America. This in turn led to the rise of the Alianza
de Sangre, a multi-national criminal drug cartel that gradually gained direct
control over a large part of Mexico and Central America. The cartel funded
guerrillas all across South America, starting multiple civil wars and
profiting immensely from the turmoil. South American governments were
powerless to stop this well-funded criminal organization without assistance,
and lawlessness south of the American border gave rise to many American
nationalist militias that gradually gained influence across the South.
当欧洲深陷於这些危机,新上任的美国总统决定自海外撤回美军,改采孤立主义外交
路线。自中东撤军的考量是防止出现另一个伊拉克式的战场,且新科技使美国得以能源自
给,在中东驻军的动力进一步下降。
美国支援盟邦的新战略是仰赖美军支援的私人军事企业(PMC),一如2018年以阿战争中的
情形。这种战略直接导致美国在世界各地的影响力降低,特别是拉丁美洲。新战略导致
一名跨国毒枭Alianza de Sangre崛起,此人资助南美各地的游击队,挑起多场内战,
且在混乱中大捞一笔。孤立无援的南美政府无法独自对抗跨国贩毒集团,另外,美国南
方边境的无法律状态使民族主义民兵组织在美国南方的影响力日益壮大。
Asia's largest superpower, China, entered the late 2010's with a series of
economic spasms caused by currency fluctuations, oil shortages and increased
separatist tendencies in several of its regions. China put policies in place
that bordered on martial law, with extensive crackdowns and brutal methods of
control, and managed to keep the situation in hand, but just barely.
亚洲强权中国自21世纪10年代後期苦於经济硬着陆、原油短缺以及许多省分的独立运动。
中国藉由戒严、严厉镇压以及强化维稳政策应对,但其结果只是勉强掌控局势而已。
In Europe, NATO, now in decline, was put to test for the first time in years
as nationalist guerrillas appeared in Estonia. The entire Baltic region
plummeted into conflict and the chronically underfunded NATO was petitioned
to respond. Due to the lack of resources, lack of American backing and fear
of starting another global war, armed response was vetoed and NATO for all
intents and purposes ceased to exist as an effective structure by 2020.
衰退中的NATO终於在爱沙尼亚受到长久以来的第一次军事挑战,对象是当地的民族
主义游击队。波罗的海区域陷入混战,政府请求已经一穷二白的NATO武力应对。
但是由於缺乏资源、美国不支持以及担忧引爆另一场全球战争,NATO否决武力介入。
2020年,NATO正式被标志为不具行动力的纸上组织。
The global tensions also spurred violence on the Indian-Pakistani border.
Amidst the chaos, five nuclear warheads were stolen from the Pakistani
complex at Khushab and one of them was detonated in the Indian city of
Hyderabad, leading to the death of millions and to staggering economic
losses. The world held its breath, waiting for someone to step forward and
announce they were responsible for the attack. This announcement never
happened, and the unexplained, senseless violence of this heinous crime
served as the final wake-up call for the nations to act.
全球紧张也使印巴边境出现武力冲突。巴基斯坦储存於库沙布的核弹头被窃取了五枚,
其中一枚在印度中部的海德拉巴市引爆,造成数百万人死亡与经济损失。全球屏息期待
有任何组织出面承认犯案,但上述情景并未发生,这种毫无理性的暴力行为终於使全球
起而应对。
Weakened by insurgency and internal strife, the world’s powers – China, the
European Union, Russia and the United States, came together to discuss how to
fight the new multi-national threats. After extensive negotiations, a treaty
was signed that would change the world forever.
安理会五大常任理事国召会研讨如何应对新的跨国威胁,在漫长讨论後,签署了一份将永
远改变世界局势的约。
The treaty stipulated that the internal affairs of all the countries
participating in the talks would be left to their own militaries, but major
threats to entire regions or continents would be handled by a newly formed
independent international body: the International Security Department. The
ISD would use Private Military Companies, freely formed according to the
principle of exterritoriality. The ISD would dictate the operations of the PMC
’s but in return would support them both logistically and politically. Each
PMC would be established with its own rules (ranging from ragtag bands of
mercenaries to private armies equipped with modern weaponry) but they all
would have to adhere to the ISD code, lest they become branded as renegades
and prosecuted (de facto by other PMCs).
条约中规范,各国军队将处理本国内的威胁,至於跨国威胁则由新成立的国际组织处理─
国际安全部(International Security Department, ISD),ISD将自由运用PMC,并给予
豁免权;完全控制PMC行动,但提供政治与後勤的支援。每间PMC公司将依自己的组织章程
成立(从乡民团到使用现代武器的私人军队不等),但都遵守ISD的规定,以免被认定为叛
军或(被其他PMC追杀的)通缉犯。
The size of the PMC’s could vary from small bands of mercenaries to entire
brigades or divisions and their equipment was just as varied – from
antiquated vehicles mothballed even by third world militaries to cutting edge
machines, purchased from those arms dealers approved by the ISD. For these
dealers the contract with the ISD was very beneficial: for their promise not
to supply anyone considered to be the enemy of the ISD, the authorities
tended to look the other way when it came to the means the dealers employed
when “acquiring” their stock. The most successful of these dealers signed
exclusive contracts with the largest private forces, making them some of the
richest men and women on Earth.
PMC的规模从小型佣兵团到师/旅级不等,ISD特许供应商卖给他们的装备也从第三世界的
破烂骨董到科技尖端的武器不一。对供应商而言,这是利润甚高的生意,原因是他们保证
不会将武器卖给ISD的敌人,而各国政府也对这些供应商「取得」军火的手段睁眼闭眼。
最成功的供应商和最大的私人军队签了独占供应契约,使他/她们登上全世界富豪榜。
Unfortunately this system brought its own pitfalls with it. Cases of
mercenary units going rogue or switching sides were not uncommon, and for
years it took the combined might of the ISD and the loyalists to crush such
rebels completely and to make examples of them. Nevertheless, the system has
proven effective and by early 2030’s the PMC’s were already the dominant
and, in reality, only force capable of dealing with major crises in contested
regions.
不过,这种体制也带来负面影响。佣兵单位转为犯罪集团或倒戈的事件屡见不鲜,而ISD
旗下的佣兵与各地部队花了几年才成功击败叛军。不过无论如何,新体制是成功的,而且
2030年左右,PMC已经是唯一有能力处理区域重大危机的军事力量。
As we approach the middle of the 21st century it is no longer in question,
the world is on fire. The combined strength of the loyal PMC’s is now the
only hope for keeping the earth from returning to another dark age. Whether
they will be successful remains to be seen...
时代迈入21世纪中期,世界深陷战火中毫无疑问。忠诚PMC是唯一能阻止人类文明
倒退回黑暗时期的力量,不过成功与否仍待验证...
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这文案太可惜了,确定不把这世界观套在新钢弹上面吗?
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反派阵营
其实就是社运人士和川普选民嘛(没有误
人民解放运动 (Peoples' Liberation Movement, PLM)
With its roots in the anti-consumerist and anti-capitalist movements of the
early 2010s, the PLM started small, but its message resonated across the
globe; with economies crumbling and a growing number of poor and unemployed
worldwide, the inequality between the impoverished and the elite would no
longer stand. Despite meriting little consideration at first from the
billionaires and corporations they opposed, the group persisted and soon
became a global movement.
PLM自2010年代的反消费主义、反资本主义运动发迹,虽然规模一开始很小,但他们的诉求
随即在全球受到广泛响应,原因是全球经济停滞、贫穷人民数量增长、贫富差距扩大到
无法忍受的地步。作为抗议目标的富豪与大企业一开始并不把他们当一回事,但这个
团体仍持续发展,且随即成为全球性运动。
These activist groups’ outstanding growth was largely attributed to the
clever utilization of the Internet. Savvy activists took to message boards,
forums, and social media sites in order to convince like-minded individuals
to join their cause, planning protests and demonstrations to spread their
message. Though these organized events were at first peaceful, they became
increasingly violent, and began to be met with militant force by local law
enforcement, sometimes to terrifying consequences. Rather than being cowed by
the resistance, however, the activists fought back, growing more
sophisticated in terms of their organization. One of the results was that it
led to a subset of extreme activist cells.
社运团体的惊人成长主要归功於成功使用网路。机智的社运人士藉由留言板、论坛与
社群网路吸引理念相同者加入行列,并藉由组织示威抗议传达诉求。这些行动一开始
和平进行,但很快变得越来越暴力,并且受到执法单位的武力回应,时而出现恐怖的
结果。然而,社运人士并未屈服於,团体组织转变成更细腻的形式,其中一部分转为
极端主义者的集合体。
Of all of these splinter groups, one in particular, Project Havoc, seemed to
have the greatest resonance and organization. They arranged a number of
simultaneous guerrilla sit-ins and demonstrations at some of the world’s
greatest financial centers. Many of these demonstrations turned violent, and
a number of Project Havoc members were arrested. A number of governments
began to monitor social media and private electronic communications in order
to target the suspected leaders. This, in turn, sparked more demonstrations
and riots, generating further animosity and increased force on all sides.
What was once a group that was capable of only very loosely organizing riots
became a threatening organization capable of staging all-out military
operations.
在子集团中,浩劫计画(Project Havoc)是受到最多响应,组织最完善者。PJ在世界金融
中心组织了同步发动的静坐抗议与示威,其中许多场次以暴力收尾,不少PJ成员被逮捕。
部分政府开始监控社群网站与个人通讯,藉以过滤出可能的抗争领导者。然而这种政策
引发了更多示威与暴动,制造了近一步的对立并激化对立。过去只能发动松散暴动的团体
已转变为可以发动全面军事行动的组织。
Armed with experience and a passionately skeptical world view, the former
leaders of Project Havoc came together to form the Project Liberty Militia.
Using similar tactics to the ones they had previously employed in order to
find more members, the group continued to seek out individuals who would echo
and rebroadcast their message. They spoke about the villainy of the corporate
state, about massive student debt in North America, chronic unemployment and
under-employment, bankruptcy due to medical bills, lack of access to the
health system, and the dangers of unchecked security and surveillance by a
neofeudal oligarchy.
PJ那些具备经验与融合热情/怀疑论世界观的领导者共组了自由计画民兵(Project Liberty
Militia, PLM),采用过去的招募战术在全世界寻找与理念共鸣且愿意再次传播出去的同志。
他们强烈谴责统合主义国家、北美学子必须担负的高额学贷、超高失业率、硕士22K、健保
破产、缺乏医疗照护以及新联邦寡头政府以国家安全为名任意监控人民。
The PLM is made up of a loosely connected group of militant activists, their
numbers drawn from a deep pool of bright-eyed masses who operate with a
dangerous notion of righteousness. While many come from poor or impoverished
regions where there is little wealth to begin with, others are
university-educated and fired up to change the world by whatever means
necessary. As many of their members had no work, no options, and no future
before turning to the PLM, it has given them a fierce sense of purpose.
PLM是由组织松散的民兵团体组成的。成员从热情群众中招募,人人怀抱危险的正义观。
部分成员是从贫穷区域中招募,但许多成员则受过完整的大学教育,并且决心采用一切
必需的手段改变世界。由於许多成员在加入PLM之前没有工作、人生没有选择也没有未来
,PLM给予他们极端坚定的目的。
The individuals who have been recruited into this movement have little
military background if any at all, and even fewer are those have ever seen
live combat, making them primarily a civilian army. Their soldiers are put
through a slapdash basic training program where they a taught a handful of
by-rote battle drills. Conversely, the PLM leaders are masters at the social
and propaganda side of hybrid warfare, who believe that more damage can be
done by a well-placed document or video than a regiment of soldiers. This
does not mean the organization shies away from military operations; merely
that, unlike some other enemy organizations, the PLM masterminds understand
that there are more ways to defeat an opponent than just rifles and tanks.
加入此运动的人若非全无军事背景,就是只有一点点经验,实际上过战场者更是凤毛麟角
,本质上就是乡民军团。基层士兵只接受过极为粗劣的训练,内容只是死背单兵基本战斗
教练而已。然而PLM的领导者却是操作社群与文宣战的专家,他们相信一支影片或一个懒
人包能造成的破坏比一个团的军队更多。但这不代表PLM完全放弃战斗,只是他们的首脑
部比其他敌对组织更清楚,在步枪与战车以外有更多方式可以击败敌人。
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猫耳军团(ねこぱらアーミー / NekoPara Army / NPAA)
激进的猫耳主义者。
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认真版本
爱国行动国民兵(National Patriot Activist Army, NPAA)
The National Patriot Activist Army (NPAA) is a faction that runs the length
of the dusty and harsh terrain that forms the United States’ border with
Mexico. This desert of desolation serves as the birthplace of an armed
militia born out of the survivalist, anti-government, anti-tax, anti-vaxx,
paramilitary cultures of the 2000s. Originally a loose association of
similar-minded groups that ran from California to Texas, they were slowly
drawn in by the magnetic personality of James Todd "JT" Litteral, a US Army
veteran who had served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and then as a private
security contractor in the Middle East.
NPAA是从美墨边境发迹的,当地严酷的自然环境和民风导致21世纪初出现一波自力更生
、反政府、反纳税、反疫苗的民兵文化。参加过伊拉克、阿富汗还做过PMC的美国退伍军人
James Todd "JT" Litteral的人格逐步统合加州到德州的同性质团体。
Once Litteral finished his last tour and returned to his hometown of Nogales,
Arizona, he was stunned and appalled by what he saw. An unending stream of
undocumented migrants, many of them young, all of them poor, pouring across
the border. A river of illegal drugs snaking up from the south and spreading
like a thousand tributaries across the United States. An unending flood of
crime: weapons trafficking, auto-theft rings, kidnappings, murder. And the
thinnest of barriers embodied by the Border Patrol services – a group that
was understaffed, overworked, and completely overwhelmed. Not to mention
incompetently directed by their paymasters back in Washington.
JT老兄回到亚利桑那老家的时候,被眼前的景象吓傻了。年轻贫穷的非法移民成千上万的
越过边界,流窜到美国各地;毒品浪潮也席卷全美,还包含无止尽的犯罪狂潮─武器走私
、偷车、绑架与谋杀。边界警察人力不足、血汗血尿还被华盛顿官僚扯後腿,根本无力阻
止。
“Light up the night!”
It didn’t take Litteral long to hook up with a “Light Up the Night”
volunteer force. This group, made up primarily of veterans and some
impassioned locals, drove around in modified pick-up trucks and SUVs,
storming the desert hills, canyons, and arroyos that run the length of the
border. Dressed in camo, they patrolled the scrublands, loaded down with
radios, portable searchlights, and high-powered rifles and handguns. Litteral
’s charismatic personality and never-ending stream of war stories drew
like-minded folks around him, and many saw him as a natural leader.
Eventually, Litteral invited the most radical and aggressive to join him in
forming an armed militia, the National Patriot Activist Army.
JT很快决定组织「举火夜巡(Light up the night)」义勇队。这个组织由退伍军人与
热血乡民组成,自发开着小发财和SUV巡逻边界的山丘峡谷与河流。迷彩伪装的车辆巡弋
边境,车上无线电、强光手电筒、手枪步枪一应俱全。JT的领导人格与永远讲不完的当兵
干古吸引了许多志同道合的人,并且被视为天生领袖。最後,JT组织了最激进者成立
了民兵组织NPAA。
“Our homeland strong and free.”
The NPAA’s core belief is to defend their country against all enemies,
foreign and domestic -- anyone they feel that threatens their way of life.
They also refuse to follow any orders or laws they perceive as
unconstitutional, which they consider “acts of war” or “treason” against
their fellow countrymen by the government itself.
NPAA的核心信仰是对抗国内外的「敌人」─也就是威胁生活方式的任何人。他们拒绝
服从被认定为违宪的从法律或命令,将政府视为(对内)发动战争与叛国的根源。
The NPAA has clashed with federal police, as well as local law enforcement,
and even the National Guard. Sometimes these conflicts are due to unfortunate
circumstances, accidents, and ignorance, while at other times the NPAA steps
in forcefully when the government lackeys aren’t doing their job. The NPAA
claims that they never act unlawfully, although they do admit that members
can get overzealous in their duty. The NPAA has had its share of
controversies and scandals. Some migrants have reported being abused or
assaulted or robbed by the NPAA. Local citizens have had encounters ranging
from unpleasant run-ins on the highway late at night, to seeing militia
members storming across through their property, to being physically
threatened, attacked, or even having property seized or stolen. There have
been a few notable militia members accused of: conspiring to kidnap members
of the government; murder; theft and robbery; and domestic terrorism
offences. In all cases, the NPAA has immediately distanced itself from these
members, and claimed them as “rabid dogs, acting on their own.”
NPAA随即和当地警察、联邦警察甚至国民兵干上了。有时候武装冲突来自倒楣与意外,但
其他状况下则是政府装死摆烂,NPAA直接介入。NPAA从宣称他们从未犯法,但也承认成员
偶尔会热血上脑,因此也有一些丑闻。移民指控他们受到殴打、侵犯或抢劫,市民也回报
从半夜口角、擅闯民宅、受到威胁殴打甚至抢劫。此外也有少数人被控绑架官员、窃盗
、抢劫、谋杀与国内恐怖主义。NPAA每次都立即与这些脱序的成员切割,指控他们是「自
行其是的疯狗」。
“Semper Vigilante.”
Yet each of these stories helped Litteral’s infamy grow, and in so doing,
extended his reach. Littteral used social media and the web, particularly
forums and video- and image- sharing sites, to find people who shared his
views all over the country. And from there, his message connected with and
spread to similarly minded right-wing groups around the world, most notably
in Europe, Turkey, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. Some of those
contacts share similar ideas of how the world should be run, and others are
convenient partners for some of the other activities the group has been known
to get into.
虽然这些故事彰显JT的恶名,却也把他的存在传播出去。JT利用社群网站(特别是论坛
、影片与影像分享网站)在全国寻找志同道合者,且进一步与全世界的右翼团体接触,包含
欧洲、土耳其、南非、纽澳。这些团体部分共享相同的世界观,另一部份则是NPAA推展
活动的方便夥伴。
Although their permanent numbers are small, the NPAA keeps a list of
like-minded patriots scattered around the country, some loners, but many in
small groups in border towns, trailer parks, or partially-nomadic biker
gangs. When the call goes out, they can often increase the number of boots on
the ground by five or ten times. They don’t have the intense training,
smarts, or agile response as a NATO unit, nor the discipline of Warsaw Pact
militaries, and thus as a rule, their preference (or only option) is to fight
as irregulars, with guerrilla warfare tactics. Thus they can be very tough on
their home turf, where they know the lay of the land and have the support of
locals and an ability to blend into the background.
即使永久成员的数量不多,NPAA在全美都有同情者,有些是孤狼但多数是各地的八嘎囧
团体,只要烙人就可以瞬间变出五倍或十倍人。他们并没有NATO军队的密集训练、聪明
才智或是快速反应能力,也欠缺华约军队的纪录。所以这些人的唯一选项就是采取
游击战术执行非正规战斗,因此他们在家乡可以非常有战力,熟悉地形、有民众支持且
随时可以混入一般人中。
JT Litteral remains firmly in control of the core group, and their central
message. His definition of “illegals” has expanded to include anyone who
does not fit his vision of a “patriotic American.” Simultaneously, his
paranoia and fear of the government and their agents has grown in leaps and
bounds. He is convinced that he and his followers must prevent America from
becoming a nation of helpless cowards, taken advantage of by foreigners and
illegals, or worse by a tyrannical government (that has bowed to the pressure
or been bribed and sold-out to foreign interests). He considers himself a man
on a mission, and no one will stop him from getting his message out.
JT始终紧密控制核心团体与中心理念。他认定的「非法者」范围延伸到与他心目中的
「爱国美国人」不符的任何人。同时,他的被害妄想与对政府特务的恐惧急速成长。
他相信他与同志必须阻止美国成为一个充满懦夫、被外国人与非法移民欺负,或是更糟
─被一个屈服於外国压力或是受贿的暴君政府统治。他相信自己是有使命的人,谁也
不能阻止他散播讯息。
外国乡民:所以这就是川普嘛。
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1F:推 ywc8023 : 朋友推 10/01 22:12
2F:推 angel84326 : 这世界观还蛮不错的 (′・ω・‵)b 10/01 22:13
3F:推 chenyeart : 很棒的开局,而且之後的变化也很有弹性 10/01 22:20
4F:推 osc63360 : 哈 游戏也要婊一下希腊 10/01 22:28
※ 编辑: hsinhanchu (118.168.142.18), 10/01/2015 23:26:04
5F:推 snegi : MGS4? 10/01 22:35
6F:推 ken1314 : 这世界观下接什麽奇怪的科幻机甲之类都ok阿 10/01 22:45
7F:推 shisa : 长毛象M.K.II,武力介入开始!! 10/01 22:48
8F:推 shaunten : 推!! 10/01 22:48
9F:推 ccc101419 : 这设定在真实世界中不无可能发生啊... 10/01 23:04
10F:推 doomhammer : 没有天人+人类革新联盟。难过 10/01 23:05
11F:推 yellowbrush : 天启坦克 上啊 10/01 23:16
12F:推 colin1120 : 开场婊希腊w 但是要让美国拉回孤立外交只有文中的因 10/01 23:23
13F:→ colin1120 : 素还不太够 欧亚还要在个多推一把 或美国内部有状况 10/01 23:24
14F:推 colin1120 : 比如那个美国总统有鬼 但是这样就不会有ISD 10/01 23:26
15F:→ colin1120 : 而且文中对俄罗斯的着墨也太少 希腊炸了俄罗斯一定 10/01 23:27
16F:→ colin1120 : 会有所动作才对 不论俄罗斯到底希望欧洲变怎样... 10/01 23:28
17F:推 GilGalad : 要让美国从世界警察的立场退缩回孤立主义 这比登天 10/01 23:30
18F:→ GilGalad : 还难吧 O_O 10/01 23:30
19F:推 colin1120 : 要这样 就是要欧洲跟亚洲都惨到美国觉得没利益 10/01 23:33
20F:→ colin1120 : 所以我说欧亚都还少推一把 10/01 23:33
21F:→ colin1120 : 亚洲炸主要是用中俄日 可能还好掰点 10/01 23:34
22F:→ colin1120 : 欧洲要完蛋只靠希腊还不够 最起码希腊挂了 美国还是 10/01 23:34
23F:→ colin1120 : 能够在欧洲撑起一块 哪怕是跟俄罗斯争也一样 10/01 23:35
24F:推 Baumgartner : 推翻译 但世界观天马行空 XD 10/01 23:45
25F:推 colin1120 : 然後PLM的背景无法养出一群那麽死忠的人 抗议结果会 10/01 23:54
26F:→ colin1120 : 是只有少数国家强硬镇压 而成员会朝向对运动友善的 10/01 23:55
27F:→ colin1120 : 国家靠拢 而难以自成大型组织 10/01 23:55
28F:推 Pegasus99 : 八嘎炯和小发财车wwww 10/01 23:56
29F:推 Zasz : 糟糕 看完世界观我突然好想去玩 10/02 00:11
30F:推 blakespring : 明天刷69.99下去好惹 最近这方面花好多$ 10/02 00:12
31F:→ blakespring : 买了铁必制、爱宕更早还有三船包 10/02 00:14
32F:推 youthyeh : 跪着看完,这世界观设定也太详细了吧! 10/02 00:16
33F:→ youthyeh : 看了热血沸腾,结果上场还是回到现实被猴子雷死(X 10/02 00:19
34F:推 sn245763 : 推翻译 10/02 00:57
35F:推 kinghtt : 川普如果当选总统美国很有机会走到孤立主义喔… 10/02 01:04
36F:推 colin1120 : 我不认为那种出尔反尔 连自己的政见是什麽的人 照 10/02 01:19
37F:→ colin1120 : 正常方式会多好当选就是了 虽然近期民调...难以理解 10/02 01:20
38F:→ kira925 : 不见得很难理解阿:无限期支持____ 这种玩法 10/02 01:54
39F:推 iamstudent : 好酷的世界观 10/02 02:07
40F:推 Becuzlove : 楼上我真的超希望看到____ 出来选 2016才有好戏可看 10/02 02:11
41F:推 SNLee : 怎麽感觉很贴近时事啊…不要2050年回来看发现是预 10/02 03:22
42F:→ SNLee : 言就好 10/02 03:22
43F:推 zondacinque : 推翻译 10/02 08:21
44F:推 dulinove : for the brotherhood!! 10/02 08:47
45F:推 louis0724 : 这是世界观设定吗 这明明就是预言之书吧 我书读的少 10/02 10:03
46F:→ louis0724 : 你不要骗我 10/02 10:03
47F:推 Nobodyesi : 有够长 10/02 11:30
48F:推 TAIWANSEAL : 老蛇表示:War has changed. 10/02 13:39
49F:推 paul1220 : 想玩了.... 10/02 14:42
50F:推 colin1120 : 你给我回来打比赛XD 10/02 14:46
51F:推 iamnotgm : 坐等预言成真 10/02 14:50
52F:推 vandervaal : 该不会几年後改版出现2077年核战之後的废土地图(误) 10/02 20:27
53F:→ vandervaal : 会想到废土也是因为黑曜石公司有很多成员是从异尘余 10/02 20:27
54F:→ vandervaal : 生的开发团队过来的 10/02 20:27
55F:推 chobaba : 是不是不能用自由经验跳车啊?一定要用前阶车打满经 10/02 20:36
56F:→ chobaba : 验吗? 10/02 20:37
57F:→ lsslss : 黑曜石创始人大部分以前是黑岛工作室的人 10/02 21:06
58F:→ Kane1911 : 那不是就要穿动力装甲互殴了吗 10/02 22:24
59F:推 g3sg1 : 黑曜石就FalloutNV的制作者阿 真的出废土特别地图我 10/03 15:24
60F:→ g3sg1 : 也完全不意外就是了XD 不过我猜应该会是特别活动 10/03 15:24