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原连结: http://forum.wotlabs.net/index.php?/topic/12142-lets-talk-about-the-elephant-i n-the-room/ So as I move towards 100% poketank completion, I had to finish off the german fat TD line. I've put off this line for three years, because they are not my kind of tanks. But still... 身为一个神奇战车宝贝大师,往收集率100%迈进必须要磨完德国肥TD线。我有三年没磨 这条线了,因为後面这几台我相当不想玩。但... http://i.imgur.com/O6FlmNK.jpg Some replays: http://www.fileswap.com/dl/v6QzR3Flfc/ Gear/Crew/Ammo (装备/组员/弹药配置): Gear has only three real choices -- rammer, GLD, and optics. Optics trumps binocs because only bots sit still and trumps vents because the ferd can still spot out to ~430 which is enough for bushwork. For ammo and consumables, I went with a standard blend on a flammable nazi. I didn't bring any HE due to limited ammo, although the HE round is pretty decent. 装备只有三样像样的能选--快填,快瞄,镀膜。镀膜屌打V镜,因为只有bots会坐着不动 镀膜照样屌打风扇,因为这样装配能照到~430m(图片是436m) 足够打隐蔽物後埋伏 弹药和消耗品的话,我采用了普通易燃纳粹配法(维修包/急救包/自动灭火器) 因为弹药存量太少我没带任何高爆,虽然128高爆还满威能的 Crew(组员): Crew skills on the Ferd feel rather pointless. The tank is too bloated for camo to work, repair doesn't really matter, and most skills don't even work for TDs. Really, it just doesn't matter that much. 在Ferd上讨论组员技能感觉有点没意义。这台车肥到camo没啥用,维修没太大意义, 而且一堆其他技巧对TD来说浪费。真的,你选啥其实差异都不太大 FIREPOWER(火力): + High alpha (490), good effective DPM (~3400), nearly ideal reload time (~10.1) + Good penetration AP (246), excellent APCR (311), and even moderately usable HE (630 dmg) + Good depression (-8), good gun traverse (30) + Good accuracy (.35), acceptable fire control, good shell velocity - awkward rear mounted gun - Slightly low ammo count - Gun elevation is poor (14) +高Alpha (490),很棒的实际DPM(~3400,算入第一发alpha),几乎最完美的装填时间 (~10.1) +AP很穿(246),超棒的APCR(311),甚至有还不差的HE (630dmg) +好俯角(-8) ,好的射角(30) +好准度(0.35),可接受的火控,好的炮口初速 -後置战斗室 -弹药有点少 -仰角不足(14) The ferd has outstanding firepower, perhaps the best in tier. Its AP round is more than adequate for most targets and APCR can chew up even the hardest tier 10s. It also has a nearly perfect blend of alpha and reload, hitting hard enough to command respect without having the liability of an excessively long reload. The ferd also does well at long range with good accuracy and firing characteristics. I found the ferd was slightly less reliable at long range than I would hope, but I imagine that's just inexperience with the tank. Finally, the ferd has mixed ability to bring the gun to bear. Although it has excellent traverse and depression, its awkward rear mount negates the raw numbers to a large degree. 肥男有优秀的火力,可以说是同阶最好。AP对大部分目标非常够,APCR甚至可以爽穿 最硬的T10。他也有几乎完美的Alpha/装填时间配比,打够痛的同时又不会装填太久 因为准度和炮口初速,肥男在远距狙击时也很强 我觉得肥男在远距离时感觉没有我希望的那麽可靠,但我觉得那是我对这台车不熟的原因 最後,肥男的车体带这管炮有好有坏,虽然有好的俯角和水平射角,後置战斗室多少对 原始优秀数据有些不良影响 Bottom Line: Excellent all around firepower. Only its nazi kin can compare to it. 底线: 各种状况下的优质火力输出,只有他的纳粹兄弟们可以比拟 PROTECTION(防护力): + Thick slabs of raw armor over most of the front (~200 effective) + High HP relatively (1200) + Adequate side armor for side scraping (no risk of overmatch) + Relatively little issues with crew or module loss - No angles at all, body design makes it difficult to angle enough to matter. High powered guns or gold can slice right through you - Weak lower plate, but can be negated by proper hull down - Ass so huge its hard to find jeans that fit - Poor roof armor makes you faggot bait (~30) - Awkward rear turret makes you have to expose more than you would like to turn corners or hull down - Very poor agility and size makes it difficult to prevent tanks from circling you or avoiding fire +正面大部分有很厚的装甲(200等效) +相比同阶TD而言高血量(1200) +侧面装甲可以拿来逆斜角(够厚不怕3X强制穿入) +比较没有死组员或是模组的问题 -基本上装甲没角度可言 -下底盘很弱,但正确的hulldown可以完全遮住 -屁股大到很难买到合身的牛仔裤 -车顶装甲太差,让你变成artyfag的最爱(30mm) -後置战斗室设计让你过转角或是hulldown时会暴露比较多的车体 -超烂机动性,超大车体,很容易被绕以及很难躲避火力 Power creep has hurt the ferd a lot. Its effective hardness with good play is about ~220. In 2012, that was enough for almost all situations. Now...well, assuming your opponents don't shoot gold you are safe from low tiers, premiums, and some mediums. Against heavies or tier 9+...good luck. Still, ~200 hardness is enough to give a lot of opponents trouble. Look for opportunities to fight opponents like IS-6, KV-3, Type 59, and so on whenever possible. When fighting the monsters, just rely on your gun. 後浪推前浪伤肥男很大。肥男玩得好的话等效硬度大概是~220。2012年时,这可以对应 大部分状况。现在...如果大家都不打金弹,你能弹低阶车/某些中坦/某些金币车。 遇到重坦或是T9+...祝好运。 即使这样,~200厚度还是足以给一堆对手麻烦。 有机会的话专挑IS-6, KV-3, Type59之类的低穿敌车。打大怪物时你只能靠你那管炮 Bottom Line: Moderately hard. Its an asset, but not hard enough. 底线: 有点硬,是个优点,但还是不够硬 MOBILITY AND VISION CONTROL(机动性和视距): + Good view range + ease of equipping optics + radioman = good view range + Acceptable acceleration in all conditions - Very poor camo (its a fucking elephant) - Low top speed, including in reverse - Sluggish turning -- fast tanks can EASILY circle you +好的基础视距,配上镀膜以及无线电手的Sis.Awareness=好的视距 +所有状况下都可接受的加速度 -烂隐蔽(这她妈的是只大象) -低极速,包刮後退 -转速慢--快车绕你非常简单 The Ferd fares badly in this area. Its very slow -- not quite unplayable like a T28/T95, but relocating is a serious issue. Its also slow in reverse, and so can't peek as well as you would like. It turns slowly, making it highly vulnerable to fast tanks if caught alone, and worst of all, it has absolutely terrible camo. With your good view range you can get first spot/shot regularly if you are in a bush, but expect to light up every shot -- this tank can't play camo games at all. 肥男在这区表现颇烂。他很慢,虽然没有T28/T95那麽慢,但是走位是个大问题。 後退速度很慢,使得你探头的效率没想像中好。转速慢让你落单时容易被快车绕,最鸟的 是他的隐蔽性真她喵的烂。你的良好视距能让你在隐蔽物後先发现敌人,然後打第一发 但之後你通常就亮了。这台车完全不能用隐蔽黑爆对面 Bottom Line: Its slow, can be spotted from orbit, and just plain bad. 底线:很慢,可以在google earth上看到,就是鸟 CONCLUSION(总结): The ferd was once considered an above average tank in the most balanced tier. Now, power creep has hurt it a good bit. A lot more of its peers can punch through it than before, plus the roomba can do everything it can do while cloaked with a turret. It probably needs to be bumped down to tier 7 so it can fight its historical opponents, but russian bias won't allow that. Its effective against those opponents, at least. Its armor works well against lowbies, and its gun always works well. But with no camo, poor mobility, awkward gun usage, and squishy armor....that leaves it the third best german TD in a crowded tier, with little to work with other than impressive boom. And since its brothers have the same boom and more...why would you drive the ferd? 肥男很久以前是在最平衡的阶级中优於平均的战车。但现在後浪推前浪还满伤的。 同阶能正面打穿他的越来越多,而且Roomba(R-B WT)能做他能做到的所有事,但是有炮塔 而且还是台隐形车。或许他该被放在T7,所以他可以打史实上的敌人,但Russian bias 怎麽可能会允许这种事。 至少他对T7以及以下的敌人还算有用。他的装甲对低阶车 而言很好用,而那管炮无论如何都很棒。但没有隐蔽,烂机动性,後置战斗室和不可靠 的装甲的情况下,这在德国T8TD中只能排第三,在T8这麽竞争激烈的环境下只有那管炮 可以说嘴。 而当他的兄弟有同一管炮以及更多附加价值时,为啥你会想开肥男? OVERALL RANKING: 5/10 --



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1F:推 korsg : JP2跟RHM才是王道 呼呼呼 08/21 18:02
2F:→ qoopichu : 不过他隐蔽还是比JP2好,虽然亮了逃不了 08/21 19:45
3F:推 kingsmill : 一局开始3分钟后,JP2就不是蹲点隐蔽车啦 08/21 20:43
4F:→ qoopichu : 刚才有场对手对付我方肥男的最佳策略–无视他 08/21 21:25
5F:→ CKlolita : 比JP2好也只有小数点後面那一位 08/21 22:02
6F:→ CKlolita : 不过必须说 Garbad的评分一向很严格 一阶内平均一定 08/21 22:02
7F:→ CKlolita : 是5.5 不会给大家都7分起跳那种芭乐分数 08/21 22:03
8F:推 wuchianlin : 我个人感想也是平均以上但不够好 可是有炮有人权 08/22 01:37
9F:→ wuchianlin : 那管128在肥男身上表现实在很赞 勉强加分加到及格 08/22 01:38
10F:→ CKlolita : 真要说没几台车不及格 但如果要给1-10分一定得有车 08/22 01:52
11F:→ CKlolita : 得分难看 08/22 01:52







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