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先推荐WOTLABS,因为官网的论坛总是充斥着新手和来乱的文章,正体中文圈的讨论 也稍微少一点,对於有英文阅读能力的人来说这个网站是很稳定的心得/攻略/讨论来源。 副作用是变成arty-hater就是了。 http://forum.wotlabs.net/index.php?/topic/5699-object-416-the-medium-tank-dest royer-that-could/ 作者:Oneeechan (62%WR,2825WN8) 译者:初代翻译君(56%WR,2009WN8) I just today got myself an Object 416, free XP'd all the modules minus the top radio, and boy am I having a joy ride. So I'll give a first impressions/review on the tank, cause I want others to know its greatness. 我今天(注:2013.12.19)买了台Obj.416,用FE开了顶无线电以外全部的零件,各位乡亲 ,我开的潮爽的。所以我会写篇第一印象/评论文,向其他人传教。 优点 Pros: + Unquestionably the best gun on a tier 8 medium tank with amazing alpha, decent accuracy, glorious rate of fire for its alpha, and has not so bad pen 公认同阶MT最好的主炮,高alpha(320)、优秀的准度(.37)、以alpha来说很漂亮的RoF (7.5)以及不坏的穿甲(201/330) + Unquestionably the best gold round on a tier 8 medium, 330 penetration compared to the average 240-250 pen most tier 8 meds have 公认同阶最佳的金弹,330HEAT vs 258 APCR (能比的大概只有STA的270HEAT) + Very small size, smallest tier 8 medium by far (see pic below) 很小台,同阶MT体型最小的一台。 + Amazing camouflage values (see pic below) 超好的隐蔽系数,比ELC还好。 http://i.imgur.com/C6cMGWT.jpg 满隐蔽组员+喷漆+静止=46.77%,移动也有29.26% + Simply silly amounts of DPM, 2400 compared to around 1750-1800 on most tier 8 meds 变态级的DPM,同阶MT多半是1750-1800,这台是2400 + Best mobility out of all tier 8 meds 同阶MT最佳的机动力 + Good soft stats 优秀的软数据(地形阻力/火控) + 30 km/h reverse speed 高速倒车 Cons: 缺点 - Rear mounted turret 後置炮塔 - Crap gun depression 鸟蛋俯角 - Rear mounted turret 後置炮塔,因为很重要所以说两次 - Turret doesn't spin 360 degrees 炮塔非全周旋转 - Not much, if any armor 没装甲 - REAR MOUNTED TURRET 後置炮塔,因为很重要所以说三次。 - Lowest health pool out of all tier 8 meds 同阶MT最低的血量 - Kind of low ammo count 弹药数量少 - Very poor credit potential, frequently barely goes even with premium 赚不到钱,包P帐收支打平是常态 (翻译君表示不打金弹的状况下一场打掉两万块弹药很正常) The 416, as you might have guessed just from its camouflage values, firepower, and limited-rotation turret, plays a lot more like a tank destroyer than a medium tank, though it can still perform all the roles of a medium just as good as or better than its peers. 你可能已经从隐蔽系数/火力/非全周炮塔猜出,416其实更适合当成TD而非MT玩,不过它还 是能够扮演MT定位,而且和同阶的MT一样好,或更优秀。 To start things off, the gun simply put is amazing. I wouldn't have any other gun than this on a tier 8 medium even if I could ask for one. With the same alpha as the T-54, only slightly worse rate of fire and accuracy, it feels just as powerful as it does in tier 9. 首先,炮实在是太棒了。即使我可以任意从T8MT上换一门炮,我也不会换成别的。 和T54一样的alpha,稍微差一点的rof和准度,手感就和T9一样强势。 The camouflage? Better than an ELC AMX. At least when stationary. You can move around the battlefield as much as you want, WAY more than other tier 8 mediums. With 30% camouflage on the move (with camo training and external camouflage, of course,) most tier 8 tanks won't spot you until ~280m WHILE MOVING. Stationary, they can forget about it. 隐蔽呢?比ELC还好,至少以定点来说是这样。你可以在战场上四处跑,比其他T8MT更自 由。靠着30%的隐蔽系数(当然是包含满隐蔽和喷漆),多数T8在280公尺以外是看不到你 四处乱开的,而当你停车,对方根本别想找到你。 And if they DO spot you, you won't be an easy target. With pretty good acceleration plus soft stats and a very low profile to boot, you are not an easy target to land a shell on. Even worse is poorly aimed shots can bounce your UFP or turret, which can autobounce with some luck. 好,即使衰小被抓到,你也不容易中弹。优秀的加速能力、软数据和低车身让这辆车很难 被打到,没瞄好的炮弹(搭配一些人品)可能在UFP或是炮塔上弹掉。 Don't rely on it, though. The engine deck is a large overmatch zone where you can be penned by every caliber you come across, and arty can easily oneshot you because of it. Though HEAT will bounce if a shot lands there. 不过别太依赖这个,引擎盖是个很好的overmatch区域,无论什麽口径都会强制击穿, 而SPG的直击可能直接把你炸回车库。不过HEAT在这块会弹掉就是了。 However... terrain is not here to help the 416 much. To start things off, you have a rear mounted turret, which is ALWAYS a bad thing. Rear mounted turret = bad gun depression. Low profile also = bad gun depression. This tank has both. You can depress your gun a total of 3 degrees, and with a rear mounted turret, you will have to peek EVEN MORE over hills to fire, again a very bad thing for a medium tank that needs to abuse what armor it has. 然而呢,地形起伏不会给416太多优势。首先,它的炮塔是後置的,後置炮塔永远都是坏 事。後置炮塔=烂俯角,低车身=烂俯角,416刚好两个都中奖。主炮的俯角是3度,配上後 置炮塔,要探头探得更前面才能开火,对於一台没什麽装甲的MT来说是很惨的状况。 But sadly that is not all, your turret won't even rotate fully... you can't even rotate 90(!) degrees. Merely 75 degrees to each side and that's it. For a tank destroyer, that would be simply amazing. And it is. Considering how the 416 plays, 75 degrees is way more than enough for it. You will rarely need to turn your hull much at all, and it's still fine when flanking or sidehugging a tank. 惨剧还没结束,炮塔不是全周的就算了,连侧转90度都没有。射界只有两边各75度, 以一台TD来说是非常棒啦....呃,考量到416的开法,这的确很棒,75度完全够用。 开这辆车的时候并不太需要大幅度转动炮塔,而且75度对於绕袭或是侧面攻击也很够用。 The problem arises when you try to do something all rear-mounted tanks can do: peek around a corner backwards. You can, but you will have to expose yourself a lot more and a lot longer than tanks with a fully-rotational turret. This kills a lot of its "medium tank"-like gameplay of annoying the enemy by peeking out then retreating. 问题出现在所有後置炮塔车都会做的一个动作:倒车出转角。这辆车当然可以这样做, 但是需要露出很大一部份的车体,比全周炮塔的车种更多。这点让这辆车的MT式战术大打 折扣,无法藉由探头/(开火)/倒车进掩体来干扰敌人。 When played as a TD, the 416 is exceptional. With alpha not much lower than most tier 8 TDs, but a rate of fire to make up for it plus way more flexibility and camouflage than almost all of them, it plays excellently when placed in a bush and told to DPM the enemy. But unlike most TDs, it doesn't rely on its team either for targets or protection. It has enough view range to move up and about, a semi-turret to help it in close range engagements, and mobility that puts same-tier mediums to shame. It can effectively spot its own targets with either optics or binocs mounted, and can escape or relocate easily should that need be. 但是当成TD开的时候,416出乎意料的优秀。Alpha与多数T8TD相比不会输太多(译注:咦? ),而rof弹性完全可以弥补这点,何况还有更优秀的战术弹性和隐蔽。这辆车蹲在草丛後 面用最大DPM扁人的时候非常优越,但是和TD不同,它不需要吃队友视野,416的视距完全 足以自行作战,有炮塔可以打近战、机动性还赢过多数同阶MT。只要带了optic/binoc, 自开自打外加需要时落跑都很轻松。 It's also an amazing WN8 padder, pls no nerf 外加很好洗WN8,不要nerf,感恩。 -- - Q: "All tier 10 heavies lost their meaning!" - A: "Checked your stats, shrugged, didn't read further" --



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1F:推 abc12812 :看了他的ELC挑战之後 自己也买了台ELC当TD洗数据XD 06/10 18:08
2F:推 t0455453 :要不是後制,不然一定满街跑 06/10 18:10
3F:推 qoopichu :个人对这台也超有兴趣 06/10 18:12
4F:推 Theo57 :这台真的开不习惯,准备要卖了 06/10 18:59
5F:推 Yshuan :这作者也是个妹控 06/10 19:32
6F:推 feignego :初代翻译君推推 lol 06/10 19:41
7F:推 ccc73123 :T8 MT最好的主炮应该是英国20磅炮吧 06/10 20:18
8F:推 cklppt :我都去Ask Purple挖资料的说w 这ID应该是姐控吧? 06/10 21:23
9F:→ Devarena :妹妹喊哥哥 06/10 21:33
10F:推 cklppt :是Onee不是Onii阿 理想状况是姐姐控妹ww 06/10 21:39
11F:→ CKlolita :姊姊大人的文章超棒 话说他(?不是萝莉控就是了 06/10 22:11
12F:→ CKlolita :萝莉控宗师worst_player_NA已经离我们远去 06/10 22:11
13F:→ fransice7 :我记得我看日文WoT wiki有写,这台移动隐蔽惩罚很特别 06/10 22:44
14F:→ fransice7 :移动补正 轻战车=1 中战车=0.75 Obj.416=0.6 06/10 22:45
15F:→ fransice7 :TD=0.6 重坦、自走炮=0.5 06/10 22:45
16F:→ fransice7 :是Obj.416隐蔽太好所以故意降低移动中隐蔽? 06/10 22:46
17F:→ planodog :20磅炮...连前三都不知一定有...跟长88互有优劣 06/11 02:56
18F:→ planodog :前两名416和sta-1的顶炮 应该没啥争议 06/11 02:57
19F:推 Pegasus99 :应该算乐胜长88 毕竟载体是豹二=w= 假如是猎豹长88就 06/11 08:31
20F:→ Pegasus99 :很优秀了 06/11 08:31
21F:推 colin1120 :320确实没有输同阶TD太多 06/11 10:41
22F:→ colin1120 :除了祖国152 德国150、128之外 大多8阶TD伤害都在400 06/11 10:42
23F:→ colin1120 :左右 以416的伤害跟射速来说没输多少 06/11 10:42
24F:→ planodog :416最大的问题应该就是不太好赚钱... 06/12 01:56
25F:→ kill90206 :SU-101表示: 06/15 20:27







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