作者pedro0930 (BrotherPedro)
看板Warfare
标题Re: [问题] 红军的人肉排雷战法
时间Tue Sep 22 13:12:53 2020
朱可夫说叫步兵直接无视地雷的来源大概是艾森豪的回忆录Crusade In Europe 467页:
“Highly illuminating to me was his description of the Russian method of
attacking through mine fields. The German mine fields, covered by defensive
fire, were tactical obstacles that caused us [the western Allies] many
casualties and delays. It was always a laborious business to break through
them, even though our technicians invented every conceivable mechanical
appliance to destroy mines safely. Marshal Zhukov gave me a matter-of-fact
statement of his practice, which was, roughly, ‘There are two kinds of
mines; one is the personnel mine and the other is the vehicular mine. When we
come to a mine field our infantry attacks exactly as if it were not there.
The losses we get from personnel mines we consider only equal to those we
would have gotten from machine guns and artillery if the Germans had chosen
to defend that particular area with strong bodies of troops instead of with
mine fields. The attacking infantry does not set off the vehicular mines, so
after they have penetrated to the far side of the field they form a
bridgehead, after which the engineers come up and dig out the channels
through which our vehicles can go.’”
但大意就是说艾森豪跟朱可夫提到被火力掩护的雷区是让西方盟军感到头痛的障碍
朱可夫回答苏联会叫步兵直接无视地雷的存在先突破雷区
反正从地雷的战损跟冲机枪和火炮阵地差不多
等步兵突破後工兵在上来清出车辆可以过的路
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1F：推 fw190a: 推这篇，突击重点不是排雷，是让工兵有安全环境作业 09/22 13:27
2F：推 dustlike: 被机枪射死或被地雷炸死 选一个 09/22 13:56
3F：→ hgt: 朱可夫把人命当数字玩 09/22 14:01
4F：推 hgt: 有学到史达林的思维 09/22 14:04
5F：推 higger: 也可能朱可夫说大话嘛... 09/22 14:21
6F：推 wistful96: 有听过,真是人命不值钱的世界(大陆好像也是) 09/22 15:15
7F：推 cht1234: 战争真是悲哀 09/22 15:32
8F：→ gundamwind: 对当时而言人命就真的只是数字 09/22 17:49
9F：推 aaagun: 红军本来就是搞效率优先，人命次之 09/22 18:05
10F：推 jetzake: 之前不是有讨论坦克装甲的一张图 大概跟那个概念差不多 09/22 19:14
11F：→ jetzake: 为了防范单兵反甲武器的近距离袭击 坦克要追加装甲 09/22 19:16
12F：→ jetzake: 德国人老老实实的搞侧裙和防磁装甲之类 09/22 19:17
13F：→ jetzake: 美国人弄一些置物箱 把杂物堆上去做缓冲 09/22 19:17
14F：→ jetzake: 俄国人就是让步兵直接坐上去 反正无产阶级士兵不值钱 09/22 19:18
15F：推 gasbomb: 苏联让士兵挂着战车上不是真的要当外挂装甲用 == 09/22 19:27
17F：推 goodgodgd: 外挂步兵不是要当装甲，是卡车和运兵车不足，只好坐在 09/22 19:39
18F：→ goodgodgd: 坦克上 09/22 19:39
19F：推 mattc123456c: 实际上绝对不只苏联那样乘坐，坦克速度终究让步兵上 09/22 19:41
20F：→ mattc123456c: 车乘坐吧 09/22 19:41
21F：推 jetzake: 认真说 战车伴随步兵是标准战术没错啦... 09/22 19:45
22F：→ jetzake: 只是那个大多是步行或是坐在旁边的轻装甲车上面 09/22 19:46
23F：→ jetzake: 直接坐在坦克上面的确是苏联才这样搞 09/22 19:46
24F：→ jetzake: 被拿来当梗玩那也没什麽好讲的 真的就这麽回事 09/22 19:48
25F：→ AlisaRein: 那法国的做法呢？ 09/22 21:18
26F：推 lolitass: 步兵直接座在战车上是二战普遍的作法 要接敌才跳下来 09/22 22:11
27F：→ lolitass: 加减省步兵体力 苏军还有特别加把手给步兵扶 09/22 22:12
28F：推 gsx56840: 步兵搭坦克在车子不够的国家是很正常的，有行军过就知道 09/22 22:13
29F：→ gsx56840: ，有车子可搭就算是坦克也没差，智障才会想用脚走 09/22 22:13
30F：推 birdy590: 二战很常见一堆美军挂在雪曼上 但就真的只是搭便车 09/22 22:35
31F：推 BITMajo: 台湾的坦克载人会累，要按摩，比较不方便 09/22 23:19
32F：推 defenser: 苏联战车挂步兵其实是人型感应炮的前身(X) 09/22 23:44
33F：推 leptoneta: 国军教范记载有需要的话也能一台车载一个班 09/22 23:55
35F：→ requiem: k_desant 09/23 00:21
36F：推 g3sg1: 坦克载人是大家都有啦 只是一般都是当计程车 碰到敌火就赶 09/25 12:15
37F：→ g3sg1: 快跳下车接战 09/25 12:16
38F：推 zeumax: 人肉防护没有比较好，做为计程车用途是比较合理的 10/02 08:55
39F：→ zeumax: 人肉防护属於酸苏联笑话 10/02 08:55