作者jimmy5680 (不太会飞的企鹅)
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标题Re: [讨论] 三号战车与四号战车生产
时间Tue May 2 23:09:10 2017
※ 引述《sfsm (有初老症状的咸鱼)》之铭言:
: : 推 hazel0093: 为甚麽苏联不用BT当主力而用T26呢? 05/01 21:23
: : → hazel0093: 虽然说後来T34整个是BT的超级升级版 05/01 21:23
: T-34和BT系列无关,
: T-34只是用BT常用的克里斯蒂悬吊和倾斜装甲设计,
: 但是本质上还是步兵战车。
: 另外苏联战车在二战前没有“主力”这种概念,
重贴前面的一段,当然我欢迎大家一起抄书来反驳,反正每一本书都不一定可信。
T-26 Light Tank (Osprey, Steven J. Zaloga) P7:
... the V-26 was accepted for Red Army service on February 13, 1931, under
the new designation T-26, to serve as the “standard support tank for
combined arms units and the units of the High Command Reserve.”
V-26草案在1931/2/13被采用为T-26,定位是「联合兵种和总预备队的常规支援坦克」。
可以看到,虽然苏联可能没有使用「主力」这种词汇或精确的定义,但是T-26被定位成这
种状况,和主力也相去不远了。
BT Fast Tank (Osprey, Steven J. Zaloga)
P4:
Aside from being an important design in its own right, the BT series is
perhaps best remembered as the forerunner of the legendary T-34 tank.
P17:
The team was later responsible for a substantial redesign of the BT hull
using angled armor, heavily influenced by the French FCM-36 infantry tank.
It was designated as the BT-SV-2 Cherepakha (turtle) and in some respects was
the forerunner of the armor layout on the later T-34 tank.
P18:
In October 1937, work began on the BT-20, a substantially reconfigured
version of the BT series with a wider hull and a BD-2 diesel engine. The
internal bureau name for it was the A-20, and it would eventually evolve into
the A-32; the final A-34 design was accepted for production at Kharkov in
1940 as the T-34 tank.
T-34的设计图最一开始就叫做BT-20,并且也使用了不少BT系列前作的特徵。
虽然说T-34确实是有不少创新(毕竟是新产品),并且设计定位是中战车,但要说和BT系列
无关或只有少许参考,恐怕颇显不妥。
我看Panther vs T-34 (Osprey, Robert Forczyk)书中对T-34设计背景的简介,书中提到
T-34是应对苏联早期坦克太脆而发展出的新坦克,并提到BT-7M、A-20、A-32等各项设计
,也可观察到T-34与BT系列在设计上的关联性。
: 苏联主要是习承英国的装甲概念。
: 所谓的BT快速战车,其实就是英国巡弋战车的概念,
: 一战後的军事变革几乎是以『如何避免再次发生壕沟战的僵局』为出发点,
: 之後英国以史云顿和富勒为首提倡较激进的《全战车》理论。
我不太能同意「苏联主要是习承英国的装甲概念」这句话。
Fire Power: The British Army Weapons & Theories of War 1904-1945
(Shelford Bidwell,Dominick Graham, Pen & Sword)
P214:
The Germans and the Russians had no difficulty in grasping that the tank was
a highly versatile form of artillery - of fire-power - combining the
properties of an assault gun, 'infanty tank', assault weapon in its own
right, mobile, armoured anti-tank gun and a weapon for pursuit.
The British proponents ....... (下略,可自行上google books查阅,该段落即是论及
英军在战间期不够重视兵种协同的概况)(注:该书两个作者都是打过二战的英军炮兵)
按该书所述,英国这种偏激的思维并未出现在苏联,或至少,该书作者没提及英军把此种
思维传给苏联。
事实上,法国也有着两大类别的坦克,义大利也是。与其说是苏联继承自谁,不如说当时
的主流思想就是坦克会区分为两类,这也是基於坦克刚出现时的技术瓶颈罢了,毕竟引擎
和装甲一开始无法兼顾。
英法会分别出现兵种协同不足,各自有各自的原因,也很难说真的有影响到别人。美国在
二战爆发後都还在摸索坦克的运用方法,并且出现把坦克当骑兵用的现象,就显示出各国
的思维都是独立的,别人家的想法只是参考而已。
(美国的部分,我参考的书是
Fast Tanks and Heavy Bombers, Innovation in the US Army, 1917–1945)
下面恕删。
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1F:推 sfsm: 你忘了史达林大肃清阶段了 05/02 23:15
2F:→ jimmy5680: 可否解释清楚一点? 05/02 23:22