作者jimmy5680 (不太会飞的企鹅)
看板Warfare
标题Re: [讨论] 想请问老拿皇最大的败笔在哪(小结论)
时间Fri Mar 17 12:50:14 2017
: 推 bloodpledge: 其实我是认为征俄说到底就是场烂仗 以拿皇急须取得 03/17 10:20
: → bloodpledge: 战果的压力 後果大概相去不远 带相对少的部队也许彻 03/17 10:20
: → bloodpledge: 退时的状况更惨 说不定也没第六次反法了 征俄的六十 03/17 10:20
: → bloodpledge: 万可过半都是盟国 法军自己也就二十几万 03/17 10:21
: 推 reddevilkc: 可以问一下哪里可以看到征俄大军团各国军队比例的详细 03/17 11:35
: → reddevilkc: 资料吗? 我看wiki法军约55万 没有看过法军只占一半的 03/17 11:36
: → reddevilkc: 说法过@@ 03/17 11:36
19世纪不同作者描述拿皇征俄时,写出的兵力数据都不相同,两位提及的数据也都只是说
法之一,没必要过於钻研;法军只占一半的说法其实还蛮常见的就是,维基百科就有提到
过部分作者如此描述。
然而,总兵力六十万和法军二十几万来自於不同的说法,b板友这样把两个数据凑到一块
不是很恰当。法军二十万通常是包含在「四十万人渡过尼曼河」的描述中,如果认为渡过
尼曼河的兵力有六十万人,那麽法军通常会说是三十万人以上(至少一半)。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_invasion_of_Russia#Opposing_forces
[Georges] Lefebvre says that Napoleon crossed the Neman with over 600,000
soldiers, only half of whom were from France, the others being mainly Poles
and Germans.
Richard K. Riehn provides the following figures: 685,000 men marched into
Russia in 1812, of whom around 355,000 were French; 31,000 soldiers marched
out again in some sort of military formation, with perhaps another 35,000
stragglers, for a total of fewer than 70,000 known survivors
http://www.napolun.com/mirror/web2.airmail.net/napoleon/FRENCH_ARMY.htm
William Napier writes: "... the 200,000 French soldiers arrived on the Niemen
in company with 200,000 allies. ... assembled by this wonderful man, all
disciplined warriors, and notwithstanding their different national feelings,
all proud of the unmatched genius of their leader." (Napier - "History of the
War in the Peninsula" Vol III, p 447)
(懒得查书,姑且先看一下网路上的说法就好)
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1F:推 bloodpledge: 谢指证 我真的是把两个情况搞在一起 查了下通说是约 03/17 13:36
2F:→ bloodpledge: 一半的确比较常见 03/17 13:38
3F:推 reddevilkc: 感谢资料 我的印象可能是把莱茵邦联军算在法军中了orz 03/17 16:57