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关於日本狙击手的战术,其实非常的单调不变,总结地来说可以归纳成以下三个重点: 1.把自己伪装起来。 2.躲在树上。 3.找机会等军官、士官之类高价值目标靠近毙了他。 日本这边自己的资料主要都是讨论狙击枪本身,但是却对於日本运用狙击手的实际战术很 少着墨。其中最主要的原因是,日本狙击手基本上是种消耗品,他们的生还率极其之低, 通常在极近距离开火而且接下来的下场就是被美军集火打成蜂窝。 显然地,由於狙击手未经过良好的射後转移训练,使得日本狙击手陷入一种没有办法累积 经验、没有人活着回去总结教训、所以战术也就永远不会进步的窘态。 对於日本狙击手的作战纪录,反倒是作为其对手的美国人比较重视、也作了更详尽的战报 分析研究。我们来听听日本人的对手是怎麽说的吧。 1942年8月27日,美国陆军汇证了菲律宾沦陷前守军对日本部队的战斗报告书: The Japanese soldiers were fairly young, their average age being about 22 to 23, although the best troops were about 25, many of whom had had experience in China. 这批日本兵非常年轻,他们大多介於22~23岁,战斗力最好的是25岁左右年纪。他们大多 数都有在中国实战的经验。 As in every other campaign in the Far East, the principal tactics used by the Japanese centered on their ability to infiltrate. The actual infiltrations were usually carried out at night. The Japanese would work their way forward in small parties through gaps, around flanks, and even through the front lines. They would remain quiet during the following day, and on the next night more troops would infiltrate the American position until there was a sufficiently strong force actually in or behind the American lines to launch a small attack. In these infiltration tactics the Japanese were capitalizing on the initiative and "fanaticism" of the individual soldier. 在远东战场上,日军最主流的战术思想是渗透战法。日军通常挑选夜间渗透我们,并且会 试图分散成小集团绕过我们的侧翼、甚至溜进战线之间。他们在渗透过程中绝不发出声音 ,甚至可以在白天完全潜伏,等待隔天夜里更多的日军部队渗透进来,直到他们确定数量 上足够淹没美军阵地时,才会发起小规模的攻势。日军赖以实施这种渗透战术的秘诀,在 於灌输至最基层士兵的狂热斗志。 American officers seem to agree that this "fanaticism" manifests itself particularly in lack of fear of death. As one officer puts it, "they will do things that they know will cost them their lives; for example, throw themselves on wire so that the following troops may pass over their bodies, or destroy tank mines by deliberately walking on them." In actual battle they are ferocious fighters. They very rarely surrender, because they fear what their captors will do to them and because they believe that if they die they go to Heaven and their families are honored. They also believe that if they surrender and are later retaken by their own troops, their families will be disgraced and they themselves will be punished. Even when surrounded, individual groups and soldiers will continue to fight on. One occasion has been reported when U.S. forces surrounded about 2,000 Japanese behind the American lines; about 200 got away, but the rest fought so savagely, refusing to surrender, that only about 50 were left to be captured. Many Japanese will even go so far as to commit suicide rather than be taken prisoner. 美国军官们认为这种狂热最主要反映在日军不畏死亡此一事实上。这些日本人总是喜欢去 作一些会丢掉自己老命的战法,举例来说,他们会扑倒在铁丝网上让後续部队通过而不是 剪断它、他们会抱着反坦克地雷冲向坦克而不是埋了它。在实战中他们是狂热的战士,很 少投降,这是因为他们认为被俘会使他们的家人丢脸,甚至是连一时投降等待时机被友军 救出,也不允许。就算被切割包围,日军的小集团单位还是会奋战至死。一个案例是我军 包围了两千名渗透进战线後方的日本兵,其中约有200人成功逃出生天,但剩下的大多数 都疯狂战斗,拒绝投降,到最後我们只俘虏了五十人。日本兵大多数都宁可自杀而不愿被 俘。 Another instance of the excellent fighting qualities of the individual Japanese soldier was illustrated in the extensive use of snipers. Apparently the members of the sniper corps were a picked group, for their marksmanship was extremely good, and they had been provided with special clothing. 另一个展现日本单兵素质的地方,是在於日军在攻势中会非常积极地运用狙击手。日本狙 击手是经过精挑细选,枪法精良,而且有相当良好的伪装服。 Climbing a tree, the sniper would hide in the foliage after tying himself to the tree with vines or rope. There he would wait patiently for a suitable target. These snipers apparently had instructions to concentrate on the American officers, for often they would let a whole detachment of Filipino or American enlisted men go by in order to wait for a shot at an officer. The snipers employed the regular .25 caliber rifle of the ground troops, using powder which gave no flash, no smoke, and "a report not much louder than that of a B-B gun." 日本狙击手通常会爬到树上,而且用绳索或树藤把自己固定住。他们会耐心等待高价值目 标才开火,特别是在菲律宾他们会专挑军官与士官干部打。这些狙击手配备了.25口径的 狙击枪(6.5mm的九七式)、而且这种枪没有枪口火光、没有烟雾、声音甚至不会比BB枪 更大。 The Japanese had a novel method of serving their light machine gun. One man served as the mount, the second man was gunner. They would both drop to the ground and as soon as they had finished a clip, they would roll over, crawl away about 10 or more yards and then open up on the same targets. This had the effect of confusing the American and Filipino troops as to the exact position of the enemy, sometimes leading them to believe that there were two or more machine guns operating against them. The gun used was not a tommy gun, as many thought, but simply the Nambu light .25 caliber machine gun. 值得一提的是日本人运用轻机枪的战术。日本轻机枪是两人一小组,当他们装填新的弹匣 时,会挟着机关枪在地上翻滚个差不多十码左右,然後从新的位置开火。这使得美军与菲 军部队经常会误以为日军有好几挺机枪在同时开火、误判形势。日本人使用南部制造的 .25口径轻机枪。(6.5mm的歪把子) ***** 基本上在菲律宾战役期间,美军完全丧失了空优与制海权,头上有日本飞机扫射、海上有 舰炮岸轰,因此在这里日军是罕见地扮演攻方、而非守方。 但是日军在攻势中运用狙击手的方式,其实与守势时相差无几,他们会远离主力部队,尝 试渗透到战线两翼去,然後躲藏起来等待高价值目标接近、加以射杀。 在看完了日军担任攻方的战术後,我们来看看日军担任守方时的战术。 1942年10月22日,美国陆战队向战争部所作之报告: <所罗门群岛地区的日军防御战术> "The flanks of Japanese positions and weapon emplacements were covered by snipers. Snipers were concealed in the tops of palm trees and were not detected until they opened fire, despite careful observation of tree tops. The Browning automatic rifle proved to be an excellent weapon for dealing with snipers.” 日军通常使用狙击手来掩护他们的阵地侧翼。日本狙击手通常会躲藏在树顶,而且伪装的 极佳,不管我军再怎麽仔细侦查,通常在他们开火以前是找不到的。但是使用BAR自动步 枪,就可以很完美地解决掉这些狙击手。 "Fighting took place at ranges of 50 to 100 yards.” 这一地区的战斗通常在50~100码以内开打。 "When questioned about the lack of prisoners, a U.S. officer said that apparently a great deal of propaganda had been spread among the Japanese soldiers about the horrible things that would happen to prisoners.” 根据我方军官对日本战俘的讯问,认为日本降兵会如此之少的原因,是因为他们的恐吓宣 传非常之有效。 "Naval gunfire and dive-bombing was still going on when the initial wave landed. No fire was received by this first wave, as all the Japanese had taken cover. After cessation of naval gun fire and bombing, the Japanese began firing from dugouts on the island and fire was received from an adjacent island.” 当我军第一波部队在舰炮与俯冲轰炸机的掩护下登陆时,日本人都躲进掩体里了,不对我 们的第一波部队开火。但在支援炮火停止後,日本人就回到阵地里开始攻击。 "The first wave tossed grenades into the entrance to the dugouts that they passed. Although the grenades exploded within the entrance, it was later found that they were ineffective due to the type of entryway. Enemy troops fired from dugouts on the rear of the first wave and into the second and third waves, aided by snipers in the tops of coconut trees. 虽然我军先锋尝试突入壕沟投掷手榴弹,但是稍後被证明这种攻击对抗日本人精良的工事 是没效的。未被肃清的敌军,透过躲在树上的狙击手支援,在我军每一波登陆波次之间进 行偷袭。 “One sniper shot down from a tree had coconuts hung around his neck to help conceal him. One sniper in a palm tree had protected himself with armor plate. ” 一个日本狙击手被我们打下树,但是他用椰子壳制成的护颈保住了性命。另一个我们干掉 的狙击手,则被发现他身上穿着铁甲。 "Japanese marksmanship was characterized as poor and not very dangerous if one kept moving and avoided lying in the open.” 日本人的枪法极其差劲,只要你不断移动并且避免在开阔地卧倒,就毫无威胁性。 "It was emphasized that no flash, smoke or muzzle blast was visible from Japanese weapons” 日本人的枪炮之枪口焰、喷烟与闪光非常难以发现。 "The Japanese snipers paid particular attention to picking off officers and noncommissioned officers whose exterior garments carried insignia or markings indicating their rank." 日本狙击手特别喜欢挑我军的军官、士官干部下手。这可能是因为他们懂得判读我方的军 阶与识别章纪。 以下是来自於陆战队士兵个人的手记、家书或回忆录的内容。 "Individually, he is a good soldier; in fact, an excellent one. They very, very seldom give up but will fight until killed, even after being badly wounded. Of a force of well over 700 that we wiped out, we were only able to take 34 prisoners, and 33 of them were so badly wounded that they couldn't do anything. We asked each one if they had been told that they would be killed if captured and they said "No," but that they expected to be. All insisted that they would never be able to return to Japan, so that probably is the answer. 个人以为那帮日本兵是厉害的家伙,事实上,非常卓越。这些人除非战死或身负重伤,否 则不会放弃抵抗。我们歼灭了一支七百人的日军单位,但是只抓到34个战俘,其中有33个 是已经失能的重伤患。我们询问他们是否有宣传说会被我们杀掉,虽然他们否认有宣传, 但都自认会被我们杀掉。这些人都说这下再也没脸回日本去了,这或许就是答案吧。 "Each Jap carried a camouflage net made of mesh with wood-fiber strands, and it is actually impossible to see them at 50 yards if they lie still with it on.” 那些小日本都用当地的草木泥巴做成了非常好的迷彩伪装,所以他们在卧倒时,除非靠近 到50码内否则完全认不出来。 "As you have been told before, they are great on sniping. After our initial landing, and after they had taken to the mountains, they worried us quite a bit, as they would slip in at night (or hide out during the day) and do a lot of firing. For two nights we actually had them running around inside Regimental Headquarters lines. As it was as dark as pitch we couldn't fire and they would outrun our boys. We had one sniper near our galley that would take one shot of a morning and one in the evening. We combed the fields and the coconut trees but we never found him. I am glad to say that he was a damn poor shot and he didn't get anyone before he finally beat it.” 就像我们事前被告知的一样,那些日本人超爱狙击。在第一波登陆後,他们占领了山丘, 并且对我军造成了一点小困扰,这群人会在晚上溜掉(或在白天避开我们),然後拼命开 火。甚至有两次,日本狙击手在晚上跑进了我们的团指挥所里,那实在是夜色暗到我们的 弟兄看不清这帮人身影。我们这防区还有个日本狙击手,他总是每天在早上和晚上各开一 枪;我们翻遍了战场上所有的椰子树可偏偏就是找不到这家伙。我得很荣幸的说,感谢这 家伙他妈烂到爆的枪法,在他被解决以前我们之中没有任何一个弟兄中弹。 "In my opinion it boils down to this. The Japs are excellent individual soldiers but their headwork is very poor.” 依我看,那些日本兵打得非常好,但指挥他们的高层实在是逊毙了。 ***** 与陆军在菲律宾的经验相比,最大的差别就是美国陆战队眼中的日本狙击手普遍枪法很逊 。这可能是因为相对於拘泥於一次大战线式战术思想的美国陆军,陆战队带有更积极攻势 的教范色彩,鼓励步兵在战场上采取运动而非阵地战方式战斗,结果日本狙击手在射击移 动目标时的命中率就大幅下降了。 另一方面,陆战队也比他们的陆军弟兄更有自信,他们在发现日军狙击手後会懂得使用自 动武器集火将之射杀,而非束手无策。尽管日军喜欢在近距离挑起战斗,但配备了大量冲 锋枪、自动步枪、卡宾枪与火焰放射器的陆战队,其实在近距离的战斗中更是稳操胜券。 --



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1F:推 NKN:日军枪法差的根本原因是他们跟国军一样省子弹射击训练太少 03/20 03:17
2F:→ NKN:还有日本兵大多是普通农民而没有民间的狩猎经验 03/20 03:18
3F:→ NKN:像在芬兰 对熟练的猎人来说 当地的王鸭比苏联兵还难打中 03/20 03:26
4F:推 ThePanzer:应该是後期徵召上前线的那种 枪法才烂 日军超爱精准射击 03/20 04:18
5F:→ ss59418ss:they are great on sniping 翻成超爱狙击?其他很多地方 03/20 07:06
6F:→ ss59418ss:也都翻错了,版上懂英文的应该很多吧,还是自己看原文比 03/20 07:08
7F:→ ss59418ss:较好→http://goo.gl/hRXFu(这篇主要也不是在讲狙击手 03/20 07:10
8F:推 sfsm:等SS上来说现在狙击手也是绑在树上的,还有规范 03/20 07:11
9F:→ ss59418ss:还是别乱用戏谑语气乱下结论吧 http://goo.gl/Y5HCb 03/20 07:13
10F:→ ss59418ss:要看深入一点的分析可以看 http://goo.gl/Scif3 03/20 07:18
11F:→ ss59418ss:日军狙击手的战术看歩兵操典就有了(昭和15年改定版).. 03/20 07:21
12F:→ ss59418ss:应该说1932年就有抄某国的操典改正了... 03/20 07:25
13F:推 rangertsao:通篇看下来翻成超爱狙击不算错阿~~ 03/20 07:37
14F:→ rangertsao:也许翻成擅长於使用狙击(的战术)会更正确 03/20 07:38
15F:→ rangertsao:但是跟前面的叙述一比较就会很清楚 这里的great on 03/20 07:39
16F:→ rangertsao:snipe不会是指精准(marksmanship)上的great 03/20 07:41
17F:→ rangertsao:而是战术使用上的great on 亦即大量使用~~ 03/20 07:45
18F:→ ss59418ss:不算错喔?那"conceal him"翻成"保住性命"呢? 03/20 07:45
19F:→ rangertsao:因此这里的great on snipe翻成超爱狙击(大量使用狙击) 03/20 07:46
20F:→ rangertsao:并没有失去文意~~ 03/20 07:47
21F:→ rangertsao:然後请问一下 告诉你great on fire这句也可以这样翻(A) 03/20 07:48
22F:→ rangertsao:跟 conceal him被翻成保住性命(B) 03/20 07:49
23F:→ ss59418ss:原意就是擅长的意思啊,其它也是好笑的乱翻一堆 03/20 07:49
24F:→ rangertsao:(A)和(B)两个事件有什麽相关性?然後证明(B)为真或伪 03/20 07:50
25F:→ rangertsao:对於判断(A)又有什麽关联性? 03/20 07:50
26F:→ ss59418ss:没相关啊,我只是告诉你很多地方翻错而已 03/20 07:51
27F:→ rangertsao:就像你自己说的 版上懂英文的不少 在你一口咬定对方翻 03/20 07:51
28F:→ rangertsao:错之前 先确认一下自己有没有掌握住文意吧~~ 03/20 07:52
29F:→ rangertsao:不然你自己表态好了 你认为这里的great on snipe 03/20 07:53
30F:→ ss59418ss:那你怎确认我没掌握到文意?我有说要翻成射击很精准? 03/20 07:53
31F:→ rangertsao:是不是指狙击战术上使用的大量(great)? 03/20 07:55
32F:→ rangertsao:另外 我不像你这麽了不起的一口咬定别人"翻错" 03/20 07:56
33F:→ rangertsao:我只是看了你对原po的指责後提出质疑罢了~~ 03/20 07:57
34F:→ ss59418ss:跟战术上大量使用不一样吧...主要还是指擅长运用 03/20 07:57
35F:→ ss59418ss:爱用不见得用得好,原po或许只是想淡化掉正面评价改了措 03/20 08:00
36F:→ rangertsao:哪方面的擅长?你还是没表明这里的snipe到底该怎麽翻 03/20 08:00
37F:→ ss59418ss:辞,但其他错误就不太好硬凹了 03/20 08:00
38F:→ rangertsao:如果像你前面表示的不是射击精准度 也不是狙击战术~~ 03/20 08:01
39F:→ rangertsao:那麽这里的snipe到底是指什麽? 03/20 08:02
40F:→ rangertsao:然後我在跟你说(A)有问题 你为什麽要一直跳题去讲(B)? 03/20 08:03
41F:→ ss59418ss:这个问题建议你去 Translation讨论吧... 03/20 08:04
42F:推 rangertsao:先信誓旦旦的说原po翻错 然後被质疑了就要跳脱讨论^^ 03/20 08:05
43F:→ rangertsao:不要搞这种笑话好不好...... 03/20 08:06
44F:→ rangertsao:既然你觉得原po翻错 那你到底觉得怎样翻才对? 03/20 08:07
45F:→ rangertsao:还是你自己也说不出,但是你确信原po翻错了? 03/20 08:07
46F:→ rangertsao:退一万步讲,你也不需要提出完全正确的答案才能说原po 03/20 08:08
47F:→ rangertsao:错,但是你至少该提出他哪里错 03/20 08:08
48F:→ rangertsao:如果连争点都不愿意表态解释清楚 我不明白你到底是不是 03/20 08:09
49F:→ rangertsao:真的有心讨论~~ 03/20 08:10
50F:→ ss59418ss:我上面推文中不是写了擅长狙击战术吗?你认为不对吗? 03/20 08:11
51F:推 rangertsao:所以现在争点要从snipe转到great罗~ 03/20 08:13
52F:→ rangertsao:这里你认为great on snipe的great是指强大/擅长 而不是 03/20 08:14
53F:推 ss59418ss:...真不知道你想争啥...另外原文的前文就是As you have 03/20 08:15
54F:→ rangertsao:大量使用罗?讨论开始前先确认一下你的论点以免误会 03/20 08:15
55F:→ ss59418ss:been told before 而已,仔细看那篇连结吧 03/20 08:15
56F:推 rangertsao:你现在又想跳去哪?As you gave been told before这句 03/20 08:19
57F:→ rangertsao:这句主词到底是谁.....这里明明是说"就像之前告诉你的" 03/20 08:20
58F:→ rangertsao:那麽我们回头看看发言者之前告诉我们什麽~~ 03/20 08:20
59F:→ rangertsao:从Individually这段开始才是由这个发言者所发言 03/20 08:24
60F:→ ss59418ss:我说该是擅长狙击战术你认为不对的话就随你罗,我也没想 03/20 08:24
61F:→ ss59418ss:你没完没了地讨论下去... 03/20 08:24
62F:→ rangertsao:他在前面针对日军狙击手只提到了迷彩的部份 03/20 08:25
63F:→ rangertsao:在之後则提到了混进防区的狙击手很难找 然後强调对方枪 03/20 08:27
64F:→ rangertsao:法超烂~~ 03/20 08:27
65F:→ rangertsao:我实在看不出你引As you have been told一句到底想说明 03/20 08:28
66F:→ rangertsao:什麽........ 03/20 08:28
67F:→ rangertsao:完全不懂你为什麽会突然天外飞来此句~~ 03/20 08:28
68F:→ rangertsao:讲了半天我获得了以下的结论,1.ss你认为原po翻错了 03/20 08:30
69F:→ rangertsao:2.ss你觉得great on snipe应该是指擅长使用狙击战术 03/20 08:31
70F:→ rangertsao:3.我认为原po的翻法是基於"大量使用狙击" 03/20 08:31
71F:→ rangertsao:4.最後绕回原点 ss你既然认为原po翻错 那麽相关的论述 03/20 08:34
72F:→ rangertsao:到底在哪? 03/20 08:34
73F:→ rangertsao:讨论的原点不就在於你认为的"原po翻错"一事缺乏论述? 03/20 08:36
74F:→ rangertsao:我至少提出了我为什麽认为原po没翻错的相关论述 03/20 08:36
75F:→ rangertsao:而率先质疑的ss你的论述在哪里? 03/20 08:37
76F:推 geosys:推 03/20 08:37
77F:→ RaynorTu:再翻一篇啊 03/20 09:09
78F:推 ronray7799:一大早就这麽热闹 03/20 09:11
79F:推 roy0204758:有他在才能这麽热闹啊 XD 03/20 09:12
80F:推 fetoyeh:好热闹 03/20 09:32
81F:推 chuckbrown:push 03/20 09:37
82F:→ swatteam:怎麽听起来像是某岛津家很喜欢搞得那招 XD 03/20 10:02
83F:推 hengyen:变成翻译版了...科科 03/20 10:08
84F:推 bitegod0921:有他在的他是谁? 03/20 10:09
85F:推 Swallow43:推 03/20 10:19
86F:推 darkdog0430:推推~~~~~ 03/20 10:33
87F:推 j73596:对英文苦手的人来说 最好请ss再翻一篇 好让大家自行比较 03/20 10:34
88F:推 xuebai:我越来越期待每天的战史版了 03/20 10:35
89F:推 slcgboy:那个每天早晚一枪 翻遍椰子树都找不到的 是仔麽解决的 03/20 10:35
90F:推 GroundWalker:我看起来是感觉有些地方是稍微有翻错 03/20 10:36
91F:→ GroundWalker:但并没有影响到整体 03/20 10:36
92F:→ ZMittermeyer:蔑视大日本帝国是本板主流,end. 03/20 11:07
93F:→ ronray7799: 世界 03/20 11:13
94F:→ MOONRAKER:美军对日本狙击的评价Light早早就讲过了。因为装药少、 03/20 11:16
95F:→ MOONRAKER:枪管长,所以很难侦测;上树就不会relocate是最大败笔 03/20 11:17
96F:→ MOONRAKER:不过跟某些人讲这些没用。氯酸来了,大家快逃~ 03/20 11:18
97F:推 swpoker:楼上~日本根本就不打算下来阿 03/20 11:18
98F:推 LCAC:阿某新参者不是说以後不来了 怎麽还这麽爱来抬杠? 03/20 11:32
99F:→ LCAC:再说要抬杠也不要这样破碎回文吧......有够伤眼睛 03/20 11:33
100F:推 wucn:某两人本日战力比日军狙击手还薄弱 03/20 11:38
101F:推 Tzwei:每两天拿出新的东西来讨论很棒阿 总比拿东西战还战不起来好 03/20 11:47
102F:推 hsinhanchu:早一枪晚一枪指的岂不就是某人的行为 03/20 11:54
103F:推 roy0204758:反正某人爱鲁笅 我们也看得开心啊 03/20 11:59
104F:→ Mystiera:果然早一枪晚一枪偏偏打不到人XDXD 03/20 12:27
105F:推 nightkid:狙击手: 我这叫制造恐惧你不懂 03/20 12:32
106F:推 roy0204758:反正也打不中 倒是可以提醒美军该吃早餐 该吃晚餐了 03/20 12:35
107F:→ sPz101:这就要怪太平洋地区的树为何都无法负荷一梃92式重狙击枪了 03/20 12:44
108F:→ sPz101:否则或许可以打很准的 03/20 12:44
109F:推 LUDWIN:让我想到瓜达康那尔的五点下班轰炸XD 03/20 12:47
110F:推 ian41360:SS又出现了XDD 03/20 12:49
111F:推 valepiy:英文这麽强 怎麽自己不翻一篇出来啊? 03/20 14:23
112F:→ MOONRAKER:…原来那个打不准的狙击手笑话是这样来的。 03/20 14:47
113F:推 Zsanou:推! 03/20 15:35
114F:→ kau76901:我听信了ss的话,很兴奋地跑去搜寻了昭和15年步兵操典, 03/20 15:58
115F:→ kau76901:结果也许是我无法参透天机,看完了整本书後,竟无一节是 03/20 15:59
116F:→ kau76901:讲到狙击手的运用与战术等方面之条目...... 03/20 16:00
118F:→ kau76901:<<<昭和15年步兵操典,日文全文附上插图的电子板连结 03/20 16:02
119F:→ ss59418ss:你有点进去看吗?第二篇里就提到好多条了(如第122条) 03/20 16:21
120F:→ ss59418ss:更早期的狙击战术概念→http://goo.gl/hCEri 03/20 16:29
121F:推 Swallow43:我论有人不懂日文与翻译军语之可能性.......... 03/20 16:34
122F:推 Swallow43:只能说,自己看不懂或没看完的东西别拿出来打自己脸比较 03/20 16:46
123F:→ Swallow43:好,拿了个不是日军教范的东西出来讨论日军的狙击... 03/20 16:47
124F:→ ss59418ss:你又要说这不叫做狙击手?你懂日文的话看一下34条讲啥吧 03/20 16:47
125F:→ ss59418ss:不是日军的东西?你真的有仔细看它在写啥吗... 03/20 16:52
126F:推 Swallow43:赤军教育部给楼上按个赞 03/20 16:53
127F:→ Swallow43:阁下所引用的是"苏联红军的步兵班排及火力班战斗教令" 03/20 17:03
128F:→ ss59418ss:就说参考教案(抄)了...上面写的是战术概念又不是操典 03/20 17:03
129F:→ Swallow43:1932年版的...日文版...日军翻译的应该算日军的东西吧XD 03/20 17:04
130F:推 roy0204758:基本上他是在提醒我们离下班不远 该去吃饭了 03/20 17:13
131F:推 windpeter:最近高仔天天被钓出来XD 03/20 17:19
132F:推 roy0204758:那.........那很好啊XD 03/20 17:20
133F:→ ss59418ss:贴那篇教案也是要提醒原po日军就没狙击分队,别期待操典 03/20 17:29
134F:→ ss59418ss:里面有专节,但这不代表日军没狙击战术(步兵分队),平 03/20 17:31
135F:→ ss59418ss:常操课狙击手跟步枪兵也有分开的射击课(步兵上枪剑术) 03/20 17:32
136F:推 Hartmann:推 03/20 20:41
137F:推 qlz:推翻译 03/20 21:41
138F:推 defenser:最後那句高层逊毙了实在中肯 03/20 21:44
139F:推 chienjr:推 03/20 22:20
140F:→ sneak: 最後那句高层逊毙了实在 https://muxiv.com 08/13 07:24
141F:→ sneak: 推 https://daxiv.com 09/16 03:34







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