作者jellychen (杰力陈)
看板VinceCarter
标题[分享]VC的好....我们都知道^^
时间Wed Jul 1 23:40:57 2009
这几天看了很多关於VC去魔术到底会不会比较好或是更差的新闻
而我想说的是,只要你是百分之百的VC迷一定知道VC的好...而在
这几天逛了各大外国论坛,大家也是都在讨论VC是否会带来帮助
或是更有人也在批评VC老了..跳不高了..很会受伤...外线不好...
防守很烂等等....都还是停留在5,6年前的印象...真的觉得很受伤
不过还好,在netsdaily看到一篇写得非常好的文章帮VC平反...^^...
所以想说利用我破破的英文分享给大家看看...
Think it’s time for someone to clear up the misconceptions about Vince
Carter once and for all. After he was traded today I spent a lot of time
reading people’s thoughts about Vince on many different boards including
the general board and of course the Orlando board. I saw that there’s so
many misconceptions about him floating around still and I think now that
he’s back in the limelight it’s time to clear up these misconceptions.
想想这是时後来陈清人们一直以来对VC的误解。交易发生後,我一直注意各大版的讨论
发现很多人对VC有所误解,我认为VC已经回到众人的焦点,是该好好陈清这些误解
的时候了。
First, lets start off with the worst misconception and that is the “Vince is
injury prone” misconception. In the last 5 years Vince has played 77, 79,
82, 76 and 80 games. So in the past 5 years he’s missed a total of 15 games.
In those 15 games, I believe 3 of them were because the coach sat him out to
rest him for the playoffs or because the season was pretty much over. So that
means he’s only missed 12 games due to actual injury. Therefore in the past
5 years he has played in more regular season games than Kobe, Wade, Joe
Johnson, Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Manu Ginobili and many other
all-star calibre SG’s/players.
第一误解,VC是很会受伤,在过去五年来,VC打了77, 79, 82, 76, 80场,所以过去五
年只错过15场,.....(以下说明...应该不用翻^^),重点是,Kobe, Wade, JoeJohnson,
Ray Allen, Allen Iverson, Paul Pierce, Manu Ginobili这些all star缺赛都比VC多
所以他已经不是会受伤的人了。
Next misconception we have is the “Vince is only a scorer.” Since Vince has
gone to NJ he has become one of the most complete SG’s in the league. He’s
averaged basically over 21 PPG / 5 RPG / 5 APG in year he’s been in NJ. Last
season when he averaged over 20/5/5 he was one of only THREE players in the
league to do that. The other 2 players who did it were LeBron James and Kobe
Bryant. The only other player who is usually in the 20/5/5+ company is Dwyane
Wade. So as you can see that’s an elite company of players that average
20/5/5+ that Vince is apart of. Vince is also one of the most underrated
passer’s in the league. He’ll find an open shooter every time down the
floor. It’s no surprise why players like Bobby Simmons and Keyon Dooling
shot career high’s in 3 pt % this year playing with Vince. All they had to
do was sit in the corner waiting for him to pass it and hit open shots. I
said during the playoffs that if the Magic had Vince he would make Dwight
into a true superstar because the Magic run the same offense as the Nets. The
offense I’m talking about is the screen and roll with the ball handler at
the top of the 3 point line and the big man rolling to the basket. I said it
during a Magic playoff game that the difference between how Vince runs it and
how Hedo runs it is Vince always makes sure that the big man is the first
option from the screen and roll. Whereas Hedo would always look away from
Dwight and jack up a 3 or pass it to another 3 point shooter. Vince made a
living with Nenad Krstic, Mikki Moore and Brook Lopez last year using this
screen and roll offense. He always found them for an open dunk or an open
jumper and if he didn’t he would make the proper play for himself or another
teammate. Mark my words, Vince is going to turn Dwight into a true superstar
player this season.
第二误解,VC只是会得分,这里作者提出很多例证,如今年VC是20/5/5,而联盟达到此
成绩只有LBJ Kobe VC wade,在来提到VC得助攻一直都被忽视,他又举例说今年的Bobby
和dooling都是VC的受益者,还有VC合作的大个儿,也都是。他後来也说"记住我的话"
VC会使魔兽成会真正的super star。
Next misconception, “Vince’s is old and lost his athleticism, he’s not
that good anymore.” Well beside the fact that he’s only one of a few
players in the league that consistently averages 20/5/5+, he’s still a top 5
SG in the league. The only SG’s over him right now are Kobe, Wade, Roy and
Johnson. Secondly, while a lot of people say he’s old and lost his
athleticism, sure he’s lost a lot of it compared to when he was young but he
’s still one of the most athletic players in the league. Just watch these
videos from this past year and tell me this guy still isn’t athletic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTI-z0j9J-g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2PUXGwNvGM
另一个误解VC老了跳不高了@@....这我翻也无用...眼见为凭....
看了就知道.....(不过我是认为VC高度还是有的....只是心态转变...要用不容易受伤的
方式来得分)
Next misconception, “Vince can only dunk.” Well seeing as how some people
are still living in 2000 and not 2009, I’ll let the cat out of the bag;
Vince is one of the best shooters in the league. Vince is a career 38% 3 pt
shooter and has shot over 40% from 3 in 3 seasons in his career. The only
other all-star SG’s in the league right now who have shot over 40% from 3 in
3 or more seasons in their career are: Ray Allen. Only Ray Allen, who’s made
a career from his shooting is the only other all-star SG that has shot over
40% from 3 in 3 or more seasons in their career. Vince also has unlimited
range, here’s a few clips of his range:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzbgakGB7ZQ (made 5 according to video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzM11_oN0ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MGkufgRZvM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI-_3TzheJA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsHTlYQU1Lc
再来是VC只会灌篮,VC是联盟中长射最好的人之一,生涯有三季三分命中率平均在40%
唯一达到此的则是ray gun所以VC三分不会比火枪兵差。而且range更加远,看看影片
你就会了解。
Next misconception, “Vince is a loser and is not a leader.” So first of
all, Vince is a loser. The thing with Vince is he’s never played on a great
team before and now he’s finally going to get that chance. When he played on
Toronto he was surrounded by a good core of veterans but he was the only
scorer on that team. He took that team who’s second leading scorer was
Antonio Davis to 1 shot from the ECF against the #1 seeded 76ers. Some will
say he played with great teams in NJ but that’s false. He played with good
teams, not great teams. When he first got to NJ he (along with Kidd) carried
a team consisting of players like Jason Collins, a rookie Krstic, Brian
Scalabrine, Billy Thomas, Ron Mercer, Jabari Smith, Jacque Vaughan, Zoran
Planinic, Travis Best and Rodney Buford to the playoffs. Just think about
that for a second, the amount of players from that team that are still in the
NBA can be counted on 1 hand. Either way, Vince played with good NJ teams,
not great NJ teams. He has never lost with HCA in the playoffs but has beat 2
teams without HCA. Every team he’s lost to in the playoffs has either made
it to the ECF (Miami Heat), Finals (76ers, Cavs) or won the NBA championship
(Miami Heat) so he’s always lost to the better team.
这一段主要说VC常被人认为一个输家而不是一个领导者,而作者回应是当初VC所待的篮网
(刚来的那一年)基本上是就是一推小咖...而进季後赛之後输的队伍,都是打过总冠军队伍
,所以不能以这情况来评判VC(这段我是觉得由时间来证明VC的领导力^^)
As far as his leadership is concerned, he has become an amazing leader for
young players. This season the Nets were supposed to be the worst team in the
league but instead Vince brought a positive attitude from the beginning of
the summer before the season to the end of the season. When the rookies and
the team were playing in the Summer league in Orlando, he invited the whole
team over to his house to get to know them and make their transition to the
NBA easier. After the Jason Kidd trade he became the leader of the Nets and
very good leader who has helped the young players on that team and really
helped Devin Harris. This is what Thorn said about him, "His leadership was
the best it's been since he's been here," Thorn said. "He always took a
backseat to Jason when it came to those kinds of things. I think he
considered it Jason's team, which it was. But his leadership qualities really
came to the (forefront). I can't say enough about him. I think he played
absolutely great from the time of the trade (on)."
这段就再说他今年的领导力,集合新秀到他家,并教导新秀如何适应NBA的比赛,而thorn
也称赞他..(记得B-Lo也非常感谢VC..)所以VC的领导力在这季是无庸置疑的。
Last misconception, “Vince is a bad defender.” Vince is actually a very
adequate defender. At times he may seem bad but that’s because he has had to
carry the offensive load on pretty much every team he’s been on since his
career started. He’s never been fortunate enough to play with a team of
great offensive players so that he could spend more energy on D. Now that he’
s going to be playing on a great offensive team he’ll be able to spend more
energy on D and people will be able to see he’s a much better defender than
given credit for. When Vince tries on defense which he will be doing much
more now that he’s going to be very motivated he is a very good defender.
Vince and Kobe don’t like each other very much so when Vince plays against
Kobe he D’s him up as well as anyone in the league. Since Carter has been in
NJ and played against the Lakers these are the nights Kobe has had:
14-36 = .389%
9-24 = .375%
8-24 = .333%
4-13 = .308%
7-21 = .333%
3-13 = .231%
5-17 = .294%
5-19 = .263%
55- 167 = .329%
So as you can see when Vince wants to D up he can be a pretty good defender.
Anyways this has been a pretty long post and I hope people read it over and
hopefully the misconceptions attached to Vince will go away. Go ahead and
critisize Vince if he doesn’t succeed with the Magic because this is the
first time he’s had a great team but I think it’s time to get over these
misconceptions about him from the past.
最後一个是很多人说的,VC的防守...他举了VC和Kobe同场时较劲的数据,如上
(其实这论点,我觉得不是很适合,因为并不是VC都是守KB,不过肯定的事,VC
的协防很好)而在大范的体系下,我相信,VC的防守是可以升级的,最後该作者
也提到继续评论VC如果他在魔术不成功,因为这是VC第一次待在全NBA最佳的队
之一。
最後,我只想说的是....一切就让时间去证明...明年球季....VC将会证明一切
VC加油!!
I'm the biggest fan of Vince's......
只有真正的VC迷才知道VC的好...^^...
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◆ From: 122.124.0.152
※ 编辑: jellychen 来自: 122.124.0.152 (07/01 23:42)
※ 编辑: jellychen 来自: 122.124.0.152 (07/01 23:45)
1F:推 badprince:推 我觉得魔术只要材料准备齐了 根本不用怀疑VC的能力 07/01 23:53
2F:→ badprince:希望能顺利续约锅贴,签下希蛙,再找个合格的SF 如Hill 07/01 23:55
3F:推 vc150430:攻击形态改变大家是有目共睹,本来随着年岁就不该一直飞 07/02 00:30
4F:推 VinceCarter:第四误解是说VC生涯有3个球季3pt%在4成以上,而非过去 07/02 00:34
5F:→ VinceCarter:三季,不过还是感谢翻译 推!! 这篇论点真好 :) 07/02 00:34
6F:推 MagicVC:我已经迫不及待看到VC在魔术的比赛了,因为那些误解将不攻 07/02 01:12
7F:→ MagicVC:自破,身边朋友都对VC有着相同的误解,哀... 07/02 01:13
8F:→ MagicVC:其实重点是那些批评的人根本没看NETS的比赛........傻眼 07/02 01:15
9F:推 vince730828:其实 VC 的确在 NJN 成长不少 整个转向成熟的球员 07/02 09:51
10F:→ vince730828:或许在NJN後阶段变得很辛苦 但整体一切 VC 还真的是要 07/02 09:52
11F:→ vince730828:谢谢当初在他最不如意时 给他表现跟磨练的机会 07/02 09:53
※ 编辑: jellychen 来自: 140.96.62.173 (07/02 10:05)
※ 编辑: jellychen 来自: 140.96.62.173 (07/02 10:09)
※ 编辑: jellychen 来自: 140.96.62.173 (07/02 10:11)
12F:推 OGoTTe:推一下这篇 专业! 也希望魔术能继续补强 07/02 11:56
13F:推 andiest:MagicVC真是注册王,哈 07/02 11:59
14F:推 GGGHILL:VC带来的绝对比Hedo带走的多! 只是目前魔术阵容还有缺陷 07/02 16:29
15F:→ GGGHILL:替补席上非常空洞,这是新球季的隐忧阿... 07/02 16:31
16F:推 GGGHILL:批评VC,对於VC取代Hedo持悲观看法的人 我想他们根本不了解 07/02 16:49
17F:→ GGGHILL:VC这几年在篮网的改变 07/02 16:50
18F:推 blueVC:能补个原文连结吗?看完这篇也导正我这个VC迷的一些看法感动 07/02 18:44
19F:推 scottham:大推 这篇赞 07/02 19:16
20F:推 firedragen:当初超赛为了拿假奶也付出很多,让板凳空荡荡 07/02 20:28
21F:→ firedragen:可是後面越来越多人带枪投靠,所以我想魔术还 ok 啦 07/02 20:29
22F:推 b9606022:VC万岁!!!!! 07/02 20:59
23F:推 superbabyer:大推 !! 有vc就有看头 07/02 22:47
24F:推 victor1yn:推啦… 07/03 21:21
25F:推 solarpegasus:我觉得其实可以转到魔术队版去看看耶 毕竟是新同学 07/14 21:01
26F:推 amab212:三分跟助功的确很强 高度我也是绝得有 只爆发力差了些 但k 07/25 13:35
27F:推 amab212:obe 弹跳比VC落得多 防守上协防跟解读球赛的能力VC也是很 07/25 13:39
28F:→ amab212:强 07/25 13:39