※ 引述《airnark (小花生小小花生小小小花)》之铭言： : I am not the biggest Vince Carter fan in the world, bit I just don’t get : when so-called NBA experts consistently hammer Vince as if he is the worst : player on the planet. For example, here is a recent quote from Bill Simmons : aka ESPN’s Sports Guy: : I don’t blame Kidd for throwing a hissy fit — I would have done the same if : I had to play with Vince Carter.” : 我不是疯狂的卡特球迷，我只是认为一些所谓的nba专家们，好像都认为 : 卡特是一个最烂的球星，举例说最近有一个叫比尔的说： : 我不会责怪kidd，假如我也跟卡特打球，我也会干同样的事！！！ : Of course, there were 5 more derogatory jabs at Vince in this article so that : Simmons could meet his anti-Vince quota. And he is not the only one. : Virtually everyone is convinced that Vince Carter is a terrible basketball : player, worthless human being and overall piece of garbage. Sure he’s done a : few bonehead things (most notably, pouting for the first 20 games in Toronto : during the 04-05 season) and he hasn’t won that many playoff games. : Although, he has won 3 more playoff series than Yao Ming, Tracy McGrady and : Carmelo Anthony combined. : 这边大概说 卡特很烂 没赢过多少季後赛 说卡特只赢过三次季後系列赛 : 但比姚天子 踢妹 跟甜瓜加起来还多 ＝ ＝ (这算是在损踢妹他们吧 囧) : But did this guy steal change from handicapped children or something that I : missed? There are a number of players who are terrible guys in the NBA and : there are a lot of players making WAY too much money given their performance. : Guys who are way worse than Vince and guys who are way more overpaid. Why : Vince gets treated so poorly by virtually the entire media just baffles me. I : think its just lazy journalists taking the easy road. Its easy to just blame : Vince because everyone will accept it. : 这边是说 有一些人 表现明明比卡特差 或者拿的钱根本是overpaid 但是为什麽他们 : 都没有卡特那麽容易被骂呢 ？？ : 应该是那些记者太懒惰 因为只要骂卡特 基本上大家都会接受 > <" : Well, lets take an unbiased look at the effect Vince has had on each team he : has played on since 2002-2003. The stat I want to use is adjusted +/-. : According to www.82games.com: “Adjusted +/- ratings indicate how many : additional points are contributed to a team’s scoring margin by a given : player in comparison to the league-average player over the span of a typical : game (100 offensive and defensive possessions).” Basically, it is a : statistic used to measure each players effect on his team’s performance when : he is in the game. For example… If a player had an adjusted +/- of +2.0 : while he was on court and -2.0 off court that would give him a net adjusted : +/- of +4.0. Obviously, the higher your net adjusted +/-, the more important : you are to your team’s success. Lets look how Carter stacks up… : 科科 那我们就来用个测量方式吧 Adjusted +/- ratings : 这个可以测量球员在球场上的表现 然後批哩啪啦解释了 这公式是啥咪 : ( ′-`)y-～ : 2002-2003 - On Court: -0.4, Off Court: - 9.0, Net: +8.6 (1st on team) : Vince missed a lot of time this year, but was still easily the Raptors most : effective player at +8.6. The Raptors were about average when he was on the : court (-0.4) and completely terrible when he was not (-9.0). Closest player : on team to Carter was Antonio Davis at +6.6. : 在2003~2003球季 这一年一开始 卡特错失了一些比赛 : 但他仍是暴龙队中效率最好低 : 卡特在球场上时 +/-是-0.4 不在时是-9.0 整个正分是8.6 : 全队只有Davis 比较接近他 \(^▽^)/ : 2003-2004 - On Court: -0.1, Off Court: - 9.6, Net: +9.4 (1st on team) : Basically the same story as last except Carter didn’t miss any time. His : +9.4 was more than double any other Raptor… and Toronto fans wonder why : Vince wanted to leave? : 接下来只讲2003~2004啦 正分更恐怖了 是+9.4 全队第一 : 他比任何暴龙球员的绩效X2 还厉害 科科 : 多伦多球迷真的知道卡特为何要离开吗？ : 2004-2005 - On Court: +3.3, Off Court: - 7.6, Net: +10.9 (3rd on team) : Clearly Carter was having a great positive effect on his new team (now the : Nets). He was behind Kidd (who was 2nd in the NBA to Tim Duncan) and 0.2 : behind Jason Collins. Richard Jefferson… how about -4.3? Of course, in 20 : games with the Raptors Carter was horrible at -8.3. You could easily make a : case that Carter mailed it in (he basically admitted to)… and I’m sure : thats why Raptors fans hate him! : 2004~2005年 卡特成绩在全队排第三 : 但排第一的kidd 全联盟也只输小叮当而已 : 而卡特在暴龙队的20场比赛 他的绩效是-8.3 : 所以我确定暴龙粉丝们是恨他的 : 2005-2006 - On Court: +5.4, Off Court: - 10.1, Net: +15.5 (1st on team) : Only Dwyane Wade at +15.8 had a better net rating than Carter. : 2005~2006年是15.5 只有wade比卡特高啊 而卡特也是全队第一 : 2006-2007 - On Court: +0.8, Off Court: - 6.6, Net: +7.4 (2nd on team) : Kidd had a slightly higher net (+8.3) but Carter is clearly still a very : effective player. A lot more effective than say Richard Jefferson at +2.1. : Have you ever heard anyone say anything bad about Jefferson? Me neither. But : Carter is a much more effective player. : 2006~2007 卡特成绩是全队第二 仅次於接生小孩 而且绩效还是十分的好 : 高於jefferson 的2.1 但是有人听说jeff被嫌不好吗？ : (差不多是在讲这样啦 就是说卡特明明绩效很好 却一直被嫌弃) : 2007-2008 - On Court: -2.2, Off Court: - 11.7, Net: +9.5 (1st on team) : Once again, Carter is the statistically the most effective player on his : team. Kidd is +5.6 and Jefferson is -0.2. But Vince Carter is the problem? : 2007~2008 卡特又是第一了 比接生小孩的5.6和Jefferson的-0.2强多了 : 所以卡特是问题吗？ 囧兴 : So to recap, over the past 6 years, Vince has had at least a +7.4 net : adjusted +/-, leading his team during 4 seasons with a high of +15.5, when he : was second in the league. So why wouldn’t players want to play with him? : Clearly teams are much better when Vince is on the court. Could anyone even : argue against that? The goal of each basketball game is to outscore your : opponents and when Vince is on the court, he has given his team a MUCH better : chance to win. The only downpoint is the 20 game stretch of horrible : basketball to start the 04-05 season. : 一句话 嘿嘿 卡特在过去六年平均有+7.4 有四季全队第一 最高还有15.5 : 事实上 卡特在场上时 球队成绩是比较好的啦 当他在场上 : 球队赢球的机会就会比较大啊 : 只有在暴龙那20场除外 XD : 囧 想睡觉了 : 先来去睡啦 : 还没翻完的就靠其他没睡的强者啊 : ( ′-`)y-～ 後面的翻译！接续下文 Now I am not saying that Carter is an angel or that he didn’t mail it in in those 20 games for the Raptors. But for the hate this guy gets you would think that it was him, not Kidd, who beat his wife. How many DUIs does Carter have? How many strip club shootings? Hell, was it him or Chauncey Billups that raped* that woman back in 1999? (*Allegedly). 我不是来说VC是个天使或是他不应在暴龙那20场比赛摆烂。但人们想起该被责备的总是VC而 非KIDD(但KIDD还打他老婆呢！)VC做了多少的DUI？多少的Club 投射？他X的，VC也没有像 Billup 被人控诉在1999强暴一位女性？ As far as Bill Simmons goes, he seemed a lot more knowledgeable about the NBA a few years back. I actually love Simmons’ articles and he’s my favorite sports writer. But I just really question some of his comments recently on the NBA. He actually like the Shaq/Marion deal for the Suns? Seriously?! And why hammer Carter in every column? 到目前为止Bill 所说的，他似乎在早些年前是一位很了解NBA的人。我也非常欣赏BILL的文 章他也是我喜欢的体育专栏作家。但我对於他在NBA的一些见解实在有些疑问。他也很喜欢 Shaq/Marion的太阳队交易？说真的！？为什麽他如此打击VC呢？ Why not take shots at the wildly overrated Carmelo Anthony? Not only does ‘ Melo participate in gang sponsored “Stop Snitching” videos and sucker punch guys then run away, but he doesn’t even try on defense. Literally he is lost on defense AND he gives no effort. Not only that, but he has shown no willingness to improve his defense yet in his career. You want to talk about an overrated, overpaid bad off-court guy, there he is. How about these adjusted +/- rating for Carmelo the past 3 years… -0.5, +0.2, and +0.6. And he’s a All-Star starter in the loaded West? Give me a break! Of course, no sports writer will ever bring this up. 那我们不妨来看看MELO的过於神化的报导？Melo在场外总是闯出许许多多的祸一些帮派事件 ，同时再球场上也没有做出很多贡献和防守，在生涯的前期更没有意愿想要提升他的防守。 你一定会想讨论来说他是如何被过於神话的，过高的薪资和一些场外的纷争事件。来看看他 过去3年的效率数据 -.05 ,+0.2 +0.6但他却是在西区人满为患的固定先发，饶了我吧！ 当然！没有一位作家像我这样说出这些事情来。 Alright, I am just rambling at this point. If anyone has actually read this far, I will just add this… Simmons’ boy Danny Granger (who, for whatever reason, he thinks is the greatest player since Larry Bird) has the following net adjusted +/- for his career so far: -6.1, -0.4 and -6.5. So when Granger is on the court, the Pacers are clearly a worse team than when he is off the court. And the Pacers are terrible, so what does that say about Granger? You really think that Larry Bird is drunk dialing other GMs because he drafted this guy? You have got to be kidding me. I’d take Carter over Granger as a player (this season) and its not even close. 好吧!我只是以这个效率数据再乱说话(指这件VC被人批评的事)。假使有任何人看到文章至 此，我再提一个BILL所喜爱的球员 Danny(不管什麽理由！他似乎是继BIRD之後最优秀的球 员)他的效率数据如下，当DANNY在场上时 -6.1 , -.04 ,-6.5 因此DANNY在球场时对 PACER是带来''负面''的贡献，所以PACER现在如此地惨，但有任何人说DANN不好吗？你想 Bird会自打嘴巴吗？当初就是BIRD选DANNY进来的？你一定再跟我开玩笑吧！我认为这一球 季VC是比DANNY好很多的。 OK, enough of this… time to watch Lost. 好吧~!我想说的已经说完了...........差不多到此结束 EDIT(Added on 2/29): Vince makes $13.3 mil this year, the 31st highest paid player in the league. Is he overpaid? Probably a little. Check out some of these other salaries though… VC的年薪是13.3Million ，全联盟排第31名。他真是的被高出薪资的人吗？可能一点点吧！ 看看以下这些球员，他们的薪水................. Shaq - $20.0M Jermaine O’Neal - $19.7M Stephon Marbury - $19.0M Chris Webber - $19.0M Michael Finley - $18.6M Ben Wallace - $15.5M Rashard Lewis - $14.9M (that he signed this year!) Mike Bibby - $13.5M Zach Randolph -$13.3M Kenyon Martin - $13.3M Wally Szczerbiak - $12.8M Raef LaFrentz - $12.8M Larry Hughes - $12.0M Theo Ratliff - $11.7M Kirk Hinrich - $11.3M Erick Dampier - $10.6 Bobby Simmons - $9.3M (another Bill Simmons’ guy) Troy Murphy - $9.2M Kwame Brown - $9.1M Eddy Curry - $8.9M Adonal Foyle - $8.9M Jason Williams - $8.9M Nene - $8.8M --

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