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标题Fw: [外絮] Westbrook 做太多了吗? (翻译)
时间Tue Apr 4 16:27:54 2017
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作者: hungys (hungys) 看板: NBA
标题: [外絮] Westbrook 做太多了吗? (翻译)
时间: Tue Apr 4 15:46:26 2017
Doing Too Much? No, But Westbrook & Oklahoma City Search For Balance
做太多了吗?不,但 Westbrook 和雷霆正寻求平衡
原文:
http://bit.ly/2owMxEk
Talking down historical achievements has become something of in vogue in the NBA. In a season where statistical dominance is prevalent across the league, the talking down of significant numerical achievement has moved far beyond just the anti-analytics crowd.
谈论历史级成就已经成为当今 NBA 的潮流。在这个数据支配横行整个联盟的球季,谈论这些重大数字成就的已经远超过那些反分析的群众。
There has become a serious need to explain the miraculous, as if there was some rational explanation to talk down what is some amazing performances. Russell Westbrook has 33 triple doubles? “Out of this world? Surely not. There must be a reason!”
已经有很大的需求需要去解释这些不可思议的数据,就像有些理性的解释在谈论这些惊人的表现。Russell Westbrook 拿下 33 次大三元?「不同凡响?肯定不是,这必定有原因。」
Instead, it’s just something amazing and historical we should relish and enjoy as something that might be seen as an outlier in the future.
相反地,这只是一些我们应该享受,作为在未来可能看似是些异常的惊人、且历史级的表现。
From James Harden’s efficiency and astonishing assist total, to LeBron James’ seemingly never-declining athleticism, to Isaiah Thomas’ fourth quarter dominance, or the incredible all-round specimen that is Kawhi Leonard — it might just be we are in a transcendent era of basketball where all players’ peaks are coming together at the right time, and their teams are maximizing their output in a way we haven’t seen prior.
从 James Harden 的效率和令人惊奇的助攻数,到 LeBron James 表面上看似从未衰退的运动能力,再到 Isaiash Thomas 第四节的统治力,或是令人难以置信的全能物种 Kawhi Leonard,这可能只是因为我们处在一个卓越的篮球世代,所有球员在对的时间点同时达到巅峰,并且
他们的球队用过去我们不曾看过的方式来最大化他们的输出。
Make no mistake, Russell Westbrook is not a perfect player. He has improved far ahead of what anybody expected — particularly without his former running mate Kevin Durant, but “Bad Russ” still comes to the surface. It’s not that he becomes a bad player by any measure, but his decisions don’t always fully represent what he can offer to a team. Take the Thunder’s 4-game losing streak: Westbrook didn’t struggle; 45 points, 8.3 rebounds and 6.8 assists per game. No triple doubles, however.
别搞错了,Russell Westbrook 并不是个完美的球员。他的进步程度是远超过任何人的想像,尤其是在失去了过去的搭档 Kevin Durant,但
「不好的西河」仍然存在。这并非出自於任何数据统计佐证,而是
他在场上的决定并不总是完全呈现他所能带给球队的。举雷霆过去的四连败为例,Westbrook 并没有陷入困境:场均 45 分、8.3 篮板、6.8 助攻。然而,
没有任何大三元。
There’s a reason the Thunder are 27–6 when Westbrook registers a triple double, as opposed to 11–23 when he doesn’t. His playmaking and involving his teammates are key to the Thunder’s success, and that doesn’t mean his scoring isn’t helpful.
当 Westbrook 拿下大三元时雷霆的战绩是 27W-6L,相反的是 11W-23L,这是有原因的。他为球队创造进攻机会、让他的队友融入是雷霆能够成功的关键,但这也不表示他的得分没有帮助。
That being said, when Russell Westbrook has scored 46 points or more, the Thunder are 1–6 this season. That’s awful. His fourth quarter takeovers and incredible clutch play aside, that can’t happen for a whole game every single night. Role players lose rhythm and their feel for the ball, and they are unable to make something happen when they finally do get touches.
话虽如此,
当 Russell Westbrook 得到超过 46 分时,雷霆本季的战绩是 1W-6L,这很糟糕。他第四节接管比赛、难以置信的关键时刻表现不可能在每晚每场比赛都发生。角色球员失去节奏和球感,所以他们没办法在终於碰到球後做出什麽贡献。
There’s also a line to be drawn because when Westbrook has scored between 35–45 points this season, Oklahoma City is in fact a stunning 14–3. “Doing too much?” Far from it.
同样值得一提的是本季当 Westbrook 得到 35-45 分时,雷霆的战绩是 14W-3L。「他做太多了吗?」一点也不。
Take this excerpt from Thunder guru Royce Young, who wrote this in the aftermath of Sam Presti’s fleecing of the Chicago Bulls at the trade deadline (per ESPN):
摘录这段由雷霆权威 Royce Young 所写的:
Westbrook generates everything for OKC’s offense, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. His 42.4 usage rate — the highest the league has seen since Kobe Bryant in 2005–06 — doesn’t worry the Thunder. It’s about who’s around Westbrook when he’s using all those possessions that they care about.
Westbrook 在雷霆进攻端上制造了所有机会,这并不全然是个坏事。他 42.4 的球权使用率,自 2005-06 球季 Kobe Bryant 以来的最高数字,并不让雷霆担心。这只关乎当他使用这些球权时,Westbrook 的身边有谁。
The Thunder have intently studied the way they play with Westbrook as the lone focal point, trying to understand what will complement him best: what kind of shots Westbrook creates most, what kind of players excel alongside him, what kind of offense is successful and what kind is not. Westbrook has a distinct style, and before they could find pieces, they wanted to try to understand how those pieces could fit in.
雷霆已经专注地研究他们如何搭配 Westbrook 的打法,尝试了解什麽能最佳地与他互补:Westbrook 制造了最多哪种投篮机会,哪种球员能在他身旁有突出表现,哪种进攻型态是能够成功的而哪些是不行的。Westbrook 有着明确的风格,在他们能找到最合适的阵型之前,他们想要尝试去了解这些球员能怎麽与他搭配。
Conversion: the Thunder understand their roster and star player, and while it isn’t the finished article, they are learning how best to utilize it all.
大意:雷霆了解他们的球员名单和明星球员,虽然这还不是完全体,但他们正学习如何用最佳的方式使用他们。
There’s a big reason the Thunder don’t concern themselves with Westbrook’s usage rate. Physically, they know he can handle it, and he takes offense at the notion that he can’t. They also know when he’s locked in to what he needs to do to help the team win, they do it at an absurd rate compared to expectations. Oklahoma City is 8–20 when Russell Westbrook has less than 10 assists this season, but 30–9 when he has 10 or more.
雷霆不在意 Westbrook 的球权使用率有个很大的原因。就身体素质上来说,他们知道他能处理这些球,并且在进攻上做出人们认为他做不到的事。他们也知道当他进攻受阻时需要做出什麽来帮助球队赢球。
本季雷霆在 Russell Westbrook 传出不到 10 次助攻时的
战绩是 8W-20L,相反的传出 10 次以上时是 30W-9L。
Even the furore around his turnovers can be ill-conceived. Westbrook is not Chris Paul — he will try passes that have a high element of risk, and they are justified because of his increasingly good vision and reading of the play. It’s what tees up such easy baskets for his teammates. There are downsides, but it has its upsides too. Here’s a fun quirk — Oklahoma City is 11–15 when Westbrook has 4 turnovers or less this season. When he has 5 or more turnovers, the Thunder are 27–14.
对於他失误数的公愤与批评甚至可能是错误的想法。Westbrook 不是 Chris Paul,他会尝试传出一些可能具有高度危险性的球,但由於他愈来愈好的视野和对比赛的解读这些其实也合理。这是为什麽他的队友们可以获得一些简单投篮的机会。这种传球有缺点,但也是有它的优点。
一个有趣的怪象,本季雷霆在 Westbrook 发生四次以下失误时的战绩是
11W-15L。当他有五次以上失误时,雷霆则是拿下 27W-14L。
Westbrook’s a one-man riot act, and he causes far more good than harm in his pursuit of victory. Because of his lack of convention, it’ll always cause traditionalists to have their doubts and sometimes be more than simply critical of him. That’s all part of the rollercoaster, however.
在 Westbrook 追求胜利的过程中他带给球队的好处远多於坏处。
因为他有违传统认知,
这总是让传统主义者对他有所怀疑,甚至有时不仅仅是批评他。
It’s getting other players involved to the right extent and finding the correct formula that helps them succeed. Victor Oladipo is becoming increasingly comfortable as number two and backcourt partner, and his recent time out with injury has helped heal his ailing back and wrist issues. In the four games since his return, he’s averaging 19.8 points, 3.5 rebounds, 1.8 assists and 1.5 steals per game. He’s also passed the 20-point mark in three of those games. That’s crucial because when he does that,
the Thunder are 11–1. With a sometimes middling offense, they need the cogs around Westbrook to function in order to win.
他们正让其他球员在适当的程度上融入并且寻找能帮助他们成功的公式。Victor Oladipo 已经对於他第二人及後场搭档的定位感到愈来愈舒适,而他近期的因伤缺席也帮助他的背部及手腕问题能够痊癒。在他回到球场後的四场比赛,他场均有 19.8 分、3.5 篮板、1.8 助攻和 1.5 抄截。他也在其中的三场比赛拿到超过 20 分。这相当重要,因为当他有这样的表现时,雷霆的战绩是 11W-1L。有着偶尔中等程度的进攻,他们需要这些围绕在 Westbrook 旁的齿轮能够运作以赢下胜利。
That includes Steven Adams, who has struggled throughout February and most of March so far. Lack of touches on offense seemingly play a huge role in that, and he has been a step slower on defense, to say the least. On a team with severe lack of shooting, the Thunder must get their big men touches and points to open space around them.
这包括了 Steven Adams,他在二月份到三月份陷入了困境。表面上来说缺乏在进攻上的触球可能占了很大的成分,并且他在防守上常常会慢一拍。在一支严重缺乏投射能力的球队里,雷霆必须拉开空间让他们的长人们有更多的触球机会。
When Adams takes 10 or more field goal attempts, the Thunder are 18–8 and when he scores 15 or more points, they are 14–7. Fellow stache brother Enes Kanter has really taught the rest of the league his true value this season, and his unfortunate absence before the All-Star break only emphasized that. When the Turk logs a double-double, the Thunder are 11–4, and when he scores 20 points or more, they are 9–3.
当 Adams 出手 10 次以上时,雷霆的战绩是 18W-8L,而当他得到 15 分以上时,则是 14W-7L。胡子兄弟 Enes Kanter 在本季也展现了这样的价值,他在明星赛前的缺席也凸显了这点。当土耳其中锋拿下双十表现时,雷霆的战绩是 11W-4L,而当他得到 20 分以上时,则是 9W-3L。
Oklahoma City has the tools to thrive inside and win the rebound battle, which they’ve done in 72 percent of this season’s games, and they are 31–17 in those situations. All statistics listed are not equal, and there are holes to be poked in them, but there’s no denying there is a pattern here — when Westbrook is using the ball heavily for his own scoring production, balanced with involving his teammates, the Thunder become the best version of themselves.
雷霆有许多球员能茁壮他们的禁区并且赢得篮板的争抢,他们在本季 72% 的比赛中掌握了篮板优势,这种情况下的战绩是 31W-17L。所有的数据统计都不可能完全公允,一定会有漏洞存在,但不可否认的是这存在着一些趋势,当 Westbrook 使用大量球权在产生个人得分时,也平衡地将队友融入进来,对雷霆而言这是最佳变体。
Watching Westbrook go solo on the offensive end is fun, but it won’t translate to wins if he is doing it alone. A recent ESPN video pointed out that Westbrook does in fact average 11.3 assists at home, whilst posting 9.2 on the road. It was claimed that the Thunder scorekeepers must be becoming a little generous, but when looking deeper, that doesn’t make sense and frankly, doesn’t measure up.
看 Westbrook 在进攻端上单打是很有趣的,但若只有他的表现这将没办法把这些转换为胜利。
最近的一段 ESPN 影片指出 Westbrook 在主场平均可送出 11.3 次助攻,客场则
是 9.2 次。有人声称这位雷霆的得分好手必须更无私慷慨些,但更深入一点看,这可能
也不太合理。
https://i.imgur.com/fQHClS2.png
(图:Westbrook 在主场/客场、赢球/输球的表现比较)
Meanwhile, it also stems from the fact that his young teammates struggle on the road. Remember, the Thunder are 25–9 at home (5th in the NBA) and an abysmal 13–20 on the road (14th in the NBA). It’s not unusual for role players, particularly younger ones, to face difficulties on their travels.
同时,
这也可能起源自他的年轻队友们在客场经常陷入困境。要记得,雷霆在主场的战绩是 25W-9L(全联盟第 5),而
糟糕的是客场只有 13W-20L(全联盟第 14)。对角色球员,尤其是年轻球员来说,在客场遭遇困境并非不常见。
https://i.imgur.com/4PENUaY.png
(图:Westbrook 在主场/客场队友的火力支援比较)
The contrast is stark, and seemingly supporting evidence that it’s Westbrook’s teammates performing more favorably at home than it is the scorekeepers helping him out.
这个对比是很鲜明残酷的,并且表面上地印证了 Westbrook 的队友们在主场才有比较好的表现。
Another strange narrative that emerged from those videos, which have reigned ever since, is the talk of Westbrook’s “uncontested rebounds.” A design that the Thunder have used is asking their bigs to box out opponents so that it is their point guard who cleans up the boards. The automatic notion of this refers back to “stat-padding,” but for Oklahoma City, it serves a higher function.
影片中另一项奇怪的叙述则是关於 Westbrook 的「无竞争篮板」。
雷霆的战术设计是让
他们的长人在禁区卡住对方的球员,如此一来控卫能够把篮板抓下。对此很多人不假思索
地认为是「刷数据」,但对於雷霆来说,这有着更大的功用。
https://streamable.com/15y3c
(影片:Sabonis 卡位将罚球篮板让给 Westbrook)
Domantas Sabonis leaves the rebound for his star man. It allows Westbrook to launch in transition, whilst bigger defenders are already behind him, losing their breath trying to catch up. That extra second or so matters when you can get to the other end in the meantime. You can see the Lakers are aware of the need to get back in transition — how else do you stop Russell Westbrook getting to the rim?
Domantas Sabonis 把篮板留给了他的明星队友。这让 Westbrook 能够发起转换快攻,同时也把另一位高大的防守球员挡在後头。
这省下来的时间在你有机会反快攻时显得很重要。
If Sabonis catches that himself, lands, turns and then passes to Westbrook, the window of opportunity to lob the ball to Roberson and/or Abrines is gone, and that bucket doesn’t happen. The Thunder struggle in the half court and thrive on the break. It’s not a notion to increase Westbrook’s production; it’s to maximize his God-given talents.
假如 Sabonis 自己抓下篮板、着地、转身并传给 Westbrook,能够吊高球给 Roberson
和 Abrines 的空间可能就消失了,这种转换快攻球可能就不会发生。雷霆向来在半场阵地战陷入困境,但在快攻上是茁壮的。这概念并非为了提升 Westbrook 的数据产出,而是为了最大化他的天赋。
https://streamable.com/onhq8
(影片:Westbrook 抓下防守篮板寻找转换快攻机会)
A normal defensive rebound is no different. The entire defense is focused on Westbrook as he tears down the middle of the floor for the bucket. Meanwhile, Alex Abrines sneaks out to the three-point line for a transition opportunity. When you don’t have spacing due to a lack of shooters, creating open shots comes at a premium. Luckily, Westbrook creates his own form of gravity. The paint literally collapses at any sight of him charging towards it.
一个普通的防守篮板同样无异。整个防守重点在 Westbrook 破坏了中距离的出手机会。同时,Alex Abrines 偷偷的跑到了三分线外制造了一个转换快攻投篮机会。当你因为缺乏射手群而没有太多空间时,创造投篮空档显得十分重要。幸运的是,Westbrook 就像制造了他自己的引力场,当他运球突破时禁区确实都会内缩。
If you have potentially the greatest natural athlete not named LeBron James on your roster, wouldn’t you do everything to make the most of those skills?
如果你的球员名单里有名字不是 LeBron James 但拥有绝佳天分的运动员,你怎麽不会尝试做出一切来运用他的这些能力?
Triple doubles are an increasingly common sight, with Russell Westbrook at the head of that charge. He’s heading for a historic, potentially MVP season. If what he was doing were simple to do, other players would indeed be doing it too, or would have done it already. They aren’t, and only one has in NBA history, so why are we so insistent on tearing it down?
大三元已经变得愈来愈常见,而 Russell Westbrook 便是这名箭头。他正朝向一个历史级、可能竞争 MVP 的球季。如果他所做的事真的这麽简单,那麽其他球员一定早就尝试甚至已经达成过。但并没有,NBA 历史上只有一位过,所以为什麽我们要持续去诋毁看衰这件事?
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※ 转录者: hungys (36.227.245.164), 04/04/2017 16:27:54
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1F:推 e791130tony : 再推一次 04/04 16:34
2F:推 hi750403 : 是觉得他真的做很多了。虽然喜欢念他。但是没有他的 04/04 18:14
3F:推 hi750403 : 付出会有多好。 04/04 18:14
4F:推 hi750403 : 承认他的防守是很常放掉。但有时觉得他要顾那个还要 04/04 18:16
5F:推 hi750403 : 顾这个真的觉得他挺累的。 04/04 18:16
6F:推 hi750403 : 辛苦翻译谢谢。 04/04 18:18
7F:→ hi750403 : 客场今年我真的在思考怎麽会差这麽多。主场超级有活 04/04 18:22
8F:→ hi750403 : 力。客场。。。 04/04 18:22
9F:→ hi750403 : 有生之年可以看到平均三元。我也满足啊。至於雷霆。 04/04 18:23
10F:→ hi750403 : 慢慢成长吧~ 04/04 18:23
11F:推 waynecode : 如果他今年没留下来的话,我们大概没有季後赛门票吧 04/04 18:24
12F:推 m791017 : 为了酸而酸吧 他比较不好的就是脑冲啊 说刷啥的很好 04/04 19:05
13F:→ m791017 : 笑 04/04 19:05
14F:→ arcss : 现在的问题是,龟龟这种打法,他的队友有多少成长 04/04 20:42
15F:→ arcss : 空间? 04/04 20:43
16F:→ hungys : 其实要看怎麽用这套阵容还有配了怎样的战术 04/04 21:32
17F:推 wastedoor : 没我龟没季後赛 虽然每天喷他 04/04 22:16
18F:推 blue0604 : 配合球队战术认真打球的人被说刷数据,真的不知道还 04/04 22:52
19F:→ blue0604 : 能说什麽,一堆只看数据看球的 04/04 22:53
20F:→ arcss : 去年马刺被打成这样,我以为雷霆要出一个至少15/10 04/04 23:09
21F:→ arcss : 的先发中锋了,结果到了季末...adams成长度让人傻眼 04/04 23:10
22F:→ arcss : 或许这季完的补强会让龟龟更好发挥吧,但我还是比较 04/04 23:11
23F:→ arcss : 想看到adams变成超强中锋 XD 04/04 23:11
24F:→ hungys : 教练藏招,可能今年季後赛又... (X 04/04 23:30
25F:→ hungys : 不过希望他能先从防守做确实些就是,最近满惨 04/04 23:30
26F:推 iopjklbnm : Adams很大一部分要怪自己吧 防守完全退步 罚球也 04/05 01:11
27F:→ iopjklbnm : 变超不准 原本就没什麽进攻手段 但至少基本功要做 04/05 01:11
28F:→ iopjklbnm : 好别还回去吧 04/05 01:11
29F:推 hinagiku0531: Adams...QQ 04/05 01:27
30F:推 poopoo : 客场时小将表现真的不及格 04/05 01:32