That’s the rub for Green apologists. How Oklahoma City scores or wins doesn’t matter – it’s that it does. You can repeat it until you’re blue in the face, but Green played major minutes on the youngest squad in the league that also won 50 games and darn near beat the NBA champs. Now, one could also mention that according to advanced metrics, Green was one of the worst defenders in the league and also had OKC’s lowest plus/minus. That’s why this debate continues, and continues, and continues. Nobody really has a firm grip on the role of Uncle Jeff. And nobody REALLY knows his true value either. 对於分析Green，其实有个困难的地方。先不管雷霆怎麽得分或怎麽赢球-反正事实就是 这样-读者可以一直repeat直到口齿不清-但Green在这只年轻、拿下50胜、季後赛差点干 掉湖人的队伍里上场时间非常多。现在，根据一些进阶数据，Green是联盟里防守最差的 球员之一，同时他也是雷霆里+/-最差的。这就是为何争论总是不停。没有人真正掌握住 Uncle的角色，也没有人真正了解他真正的价值。 I’m not crystal clear on how positional classifications really fit in. I’m not really sold on scrapping it altogether. Basketball is a funny game. It’s free-flowing with players switching on defensive assignments constantly. It’s not like in baseball where if a guy is playing shortstop, that’s what he’s playing. Or in football where if he’s at quarterback, that’s the position he plays (though teams have begun to flex on that with the wildcat formation). Basketball is a game where you score and defend and though you may have 「SF」 next to your name, it really doesn’t matter as long as you’re doing to job and fulfilling the role you’re supposed to. Most basketball schemes and plans are based around the five position set, so positions make sense there. But say your shooting guard gets caught in a switch and is defending a power forward and forces a miss. He did his job right? So what’s it matter? 我不是算命的，我也不知道到底他适合用哪种方法来分析。我也没有全然接受这些理论。 篮球是很有趣的东西，球员在场上的防守任务经常变动，不像棒球，今天派你当SS，你整 场就只负责SS该负责的事情，也不像美式足球，派你当四分卫，你就必须专心在这个位子 上(译注：美式足球我不懂，所以原文括号的地方我就不翻了)。回到篮球，虽然你挂着SF 这个角色，但你还是要得分、要防守，不管怎样你就是要做好这些工作，完成你应该做到 的事情。大部分的篮球战术规划都是以五人组合为主，所以位置分配是有必要的，不过让 我们假设一个情景：你的2号因为交换防守，守到对方的4号，而他表现不错把对方4号守住 了。他有做好他的工作吗？(有的话)此时位置重要吗？ The point is, you want to always grab favorable matchups at wherever those positions may be. So you want players in situations where they can perform at their best. A center isn’t going to be able to defend a point guard for 85 possessions. So you find a place for him and find another player he can match up with. We’re going to see some great examples of all this with Team USA in Turkey. Players will be playing everywhere. We might see Derrick Rose at the 4 or something. And if it works, does it matter? 重点在於：你要确定你的球员对於他们对上的球员都有优势存在，不论他们的位置是什麽， 所以球员在任何状况下都必须要作到最好。当中锋对上控卫，可预见中锋很难守住控卫， 所以我们要找另外一个球员去负责。今年世锦赛美国队会提供一个很好的观察样本，球员 将必须有办法打每一个位置。也许我们可以看到Derrick Rose打4号之类的。如果这样成效 良好的话，我们会认为有差吗？ So just like Rob did, let’s place each Thunderer into a respective offensive and defensive category and see what we come up with. Obviously this is a rough draft and may be way off in your mind. So feel free to adjust. 所以我学着Rob Mahoney的方法，为雷霆球员试着做一个进攻角色/防守角色的配置，来看看 会变成什麽样子。很明显这只是个粗略的规划，也许读者很有意见，大家可以自己玩玩看。 (这应该很简单，不翻没关系吧！) Russell Westbrook – D1/D2, Creator/Handler/Scorer Kevin Durant - D2/D3/D4, Scorer Thabo Sefolosha – D2/D3, ? Daequan Cook - D2, Scorer Nick Collison - D4/D5, Rebounder Jeff Green – D3/D4, Scorer/Rebounder James Harden – D2/D3, Scorer/Creator Serge Ibaka – D4/D5, Rebounder Royal Ivey – D1/D2, Handler Nenad Krstic – D5, Rebounder Morris Peterson – D2/D3, Scorer D.J. White – D4, Scorer/Rebounder Eric Maynor – D1, Handler/Creator Byron Mullens - D4/D5, Rebounder Obviously some will disagree, but in regards to Green, I think it’s a discussion worth continuing. He’s really a poster boy for this debate and while yes, advanced statistics say one thing, often times the eye test says another. And it’s hard to forget his value in a number of big wins last season. Though at the same time, it’s hard to forget a game like Game 3 against the Lakers when he sat and the Thunder cranked it up defensively. That’ s why he’s so hard to nail down. 一定会有人对某人的分类不是很赞同，不过对於Green的角色，我想很有继续讨论下去的 价值。他就是这次讨论的主题，而且我们都知道，他的进阶数据是一回事，然而实际看 比赛的时候，又是另外一回事。我们很难忘记他去年好几次的关键表现，不过我们也很 难忘记他季後赛第三战表现很差的时候。这就是为何我们难以去评断他。 Is Jeff Green a power forward? By traditional standards, absolutely not. But just like some teams play with two point guards or two centers (ie the Lakers), why can’t OKC play with two small forwards? Why must Green actually be considered a power forward? Again, I’m not saying that Jeff Green should start at the 4 and play there for 82 games the next 10 years. As I’ve said a million times, I don’t know where he really fits in yet. Though something worked last year, even against the evidence of advanced stats. Green helped this team win. How you can calculate that, I don’t know. Green是一个大前锋吗？就传统的标准，毫无疑问的是否定答案，但就像其他的队伍，同时 上两个控卫，或者像湖人同时让两个中锋上场，为何雷霆不能同时用两个小前锋上场？ 为何Green一定要被视为大前锋？我要强调，我不是说Green应该会打10年先发大前锋， 我还不知道到底怎样才是最适合Green的。虽然有些时候这个组合运作很好，即使进阶数据 看起来不好，然而Green却是帮助我们赢球的那一个人。到底要怎麽评量，我不知道。 You know in the radio introductions before each game, every player says their name, their number and their position. One player doesn’t say a position. It’ s Jeff Green. And that’s exactly it. While maybe he doesn’t have a position on this roster, he certainly has place on it. 你一定知道广播转播每场比赛开始前介绍球员的时候，播报员会报告他们的背号跟位置， 不过只有一个球员例外-Green。播报员不会讲出他的位置，而这是很中肯的。当然在 名单里他可能位置不详，但在球队里他的地位却显而易见。 -- 『也许你想从我身上寻求许多东西。可是我却一点也没有感觉自己有什麽被需求。』 --

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