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标题[DT ]Finding position in a positionless world (part 1)
时间Sat Aug 7 02:06:51 2010
这篇文章还蛮有趣的,虽然最後结论有点虚。
借用这篇文章来讨论一下Green也不错!
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I’ve never really figured out where I stand on positionality in the
NBA. I understand what makes a guy a point guard and what makes another a
center. Some would determine that difference simply as one guy is 7'1 and the
other is 6'1. Other might just determine it based on role and assignment.
Whatever the case, I understand what positions are. I just don’t really get
what they mean.
我其实不大清楚到底NBA怎麽分位置的。我知道为何他们让某人打1号,让某人打5号。
有些是因为身高的差距:6尺1跟7尺1,很容易就可决定谁打哪个位置。有的是基於球
员的角色跟任务。不管是怎样的情形,我都知道何谓位置。不过我真的不清楚各位置
的意义是什麽。
We’ve heard the debate already. Russell Westbrook isn’t a true point guard.
Jeff Green isn’t an actual power forward. Robert Swift wasn’t a real
basketball player. So if they aren’t those things, what are they?
我们已经听过好些争论了。Russ不是个真.控卫,Uncle不是个真.大前锋,
Robert Swift不是个真.篮球员。如果他们真的不是,那他们到底是什麽?
Rob Mahoney at The Two Man Game is honestly one of the smartest basketball
thinkers out there. And he dove into this topic some in regard to the Mavericks
roster, so I will shamelessly rip off his idea and apply it to the Thunder.
Some words of his I especially liked:
The Two Man Game的Rob Mahoney无疑是一名极为出色的篮球分析者,而他正对小牛队
的球员进行相同的分析,所以我厚着脸皮的引用他的理论,并将它用在雷霆球员的身上。
以下是一些我认为他说的很有道理的意见:
"To those still clinging to what they know, I’d ask this: what’s a power
forward? What characteristics link Dirk Nowitzki, Tim Duncan, Rashard Lewis,
Lamar Odom, Reggie Evans, Tyrus Thomas, and J.J. Hickson? Not rebounding. Not
scoring. Not skill set. Not height relative to their teammates. Not even the
spaces they occupy on the floor. I’m at a total loss as to the criterion that
would group that bunch together, which makes the assessment 「Player X isn’t a
real power forward」 pretty much worthless. I think I know what it means, but
without the ability to define the contemporary power forward, how could I
really know for sure?"
"对於那些仍然坚持他们知道什麽的人,我想问他们,到底什麽才是大前锋?要如何去找出
以下这些人的共通性:Dirk Nowitzki、Tim Duncan、Rashard Lewis、Lamar Odom、
Reggie Evans、Tyrus Thomas与J.J. Hickson?不能用篮板、不能用得分、不能用技巧、
不能用高度、甚至不能用他们在场上做的事。我完全迷惑了,根本搞不清楚这些家伙的
共通标准,没有一个共通标准,去分辨:某某不是真正的大前锋,是一点意义都没有的。
我认为我知道什麽是大前锋,但我无法去定义当代的这些大前锋。我要怎麽才能确定呢?"
Who did you think of during that entire paragraph? If you said Nenad Krstic, you
’d be wrong. But one player easily inserted into that list is Jeff Green.
Nobody knows what he is and honestly, nobody knows what he should be either.
Rob took the plot of his post from a column by Drew Cannon of Basketball
Prospectus. In that, there’s this section:
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完上面这段话,会让你想到谁呢?如果你想到的是一哥Krstic,你错得很彻底。很明显
有一个人非常适合加入上面那个名单:Jeff Green。没人知道他到底是个怎样的球员,
老实说,也没人知道他应该成为怎样的球员。Mahoney根据Drew Cannon of Basketball
Prospectus的文章来辅助他的分析,请参考下面的精华撷取:
(原文连结http://tinyurl.com/2fa4k8f)
"But what do you really need from a lineup? On defense, you need to be able to
guard your opponents. This means you have to be ready for speeds and heights of
all kinds. You need to have a player capable of guarding each of the five
traditional C-PF-SF-SG-PG positions. We’ll call the players capable of
defending each position 「D1」 through 「D5,」 respectively, with
speed/athleticism on the x-axis and height/strength on the y-axis:"
"我们想要球员做到什麽?防守上,我们需要可以守住对方的人。这代表球员们要面对
各种不同的速度跟高度的球员。对手的每个位子我们都需要有可以抵抗的人,也就是传统
上的分类-C-PF-SF-SG-PG。我将场上的球员以D1到D5做分类,x轴是速度/运动力,
y轴则是高度/体型。"
(图表连结http://tinyurl.com/32bnaqv)
"And on offense what do you need to be successful? You need to be able to make
shots (from the field or free throw line), avoid turnovers, and clean up the
offensive glass–at the very least to the point where you aren’t handing over
points by doing the opposite. This means that you need someone who can take
care of the ball, someone who can put it in the basket, someone who can get the
ball to that guy, and someone who can get the ball back when someone misses. We
’ll call these four characters the Handler, the Scorer, the Creator, and the
Rebounder."
"那进攻上球员该做什麽才能(让球队)获胜呢?我们需要进球(投篮进或罚球进),避免失误
,当别人没投进的时候争抢进攻篮板。这代表球员中需要有人处理球,有人要负责得分,
有人要负责把球传给对的人,有人要负责把别人投不进的球抢回来。我将称呼这些人做
处理者、得分者、制造机会者与篮板手。"
"Quick point. The Creator and the Handler have to be the same guy. Because you
can’t have your Creator losing the ball all the time before he can feed your
Scorers, and you can’t have your Handler with the ball all the time but unable
to get it to the Scorers."
快速整理:处理者跟制造机会者必须要是同一名球员,因为一个不能处理球的人,是没办法
制造机会给别人的,同时我们也不能一直控着球而看不见有更好机会的人。
"…It boils down to this: On defense, you have to be ready for whatever the
offense throws at you. But on offense, you really just need to rebound and
protect the ball enough to let your scorers go to work (or protect the ball
just enough that your dominant rebounding can keep putting points on the board
despite below-average scoring, etc.). Really, how you put points on the board
is your business. The defense is just reacting."
我来做个归纳:关於防守,我们必须要面对各种不同方式的进攻,不过关於进攻,我们只
需要巩固篮板、把球保护好、并且让队上的得分手能够发挥(或者是想办法保护球一直到
让自己最好的篮板手能够要到位置,这样尽管得分能力很烂,总还有机会让他把投不进的球
补进去)。事实上,要怎麽得分是你家的事。防守则只是临机应变罢了。
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