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※ 引述《qazxc1156892 (QQ)》之铭言: : 新闻标题: 台积电「企业文化太严苛」激怒美员工 外媒曝冲突原因 : 记者高兆麟/综合报导 : 根据美媒「财星杂志」(Fortune)报导,在美国的人资网站Glassdoor上,有不少台积电 : 的现任和前任员工对工作内容进行讨论,不过大部分都是对公司文化的抱怨,不少员工表 : 示台积电的强硬企业文化及轮班、服从等都让他们感到不习惯,认为台积电并未为美国做 : 好准备。 : 「财星杂志」(Fortune)Glassdoor上面留言表示,有工程师分享,他在办公室睡了一个 : 月,且一天工作12小时是基本,周末要轮班也是常态,认为这里的工作和生活难以平衡。 : 还有工程师表示,台积电的企业文化是服从,台积电并未为了美国做好准备。 : 根据报导,台积电美国厂共有91条留言,并有着27%的认同率,换句话说,大约只有1/3 : 的人会推荐别人去那里工作。 : 更糟的是,台积电员工还表示,公司强硬文化会激怒美国员工和求职者,让台积电在亚利 : 桑那州招募足够员工的努力变得更难。 : 台积电亚利桑那州两座晶圆厂将雇用4500名新员工,但台积电严苛的企业文化,却与美国 : 半导体业显得格格不入。 : 报导也引述台积电说法表示,目前台积电已为亚利桑那州工厂招聘近2000名员工,其中包 : 括600名工程师。 : 但在和招聘人员访谈後会发现,台积电严苛的企业文化、严格的标准和长达数月的海外培 : 训要求,会让现任和未来的美国员工对此却步。 : 新闻来源: https://reurl.cc/M8bkxm 补充没翻译到的部分 https://finance.yahoo.com/news/chip-maker-tsmc-needs-hire-100000012.html TSMC's rigid expectations for new recruits 对於新进员工有很高的期望 In Taiwan, TSMC is revered as “our guardian, savior, and light,” says Chou Kuo-Hua, an accounting professor at Taiwan’s National Pingtung University and semiconductor industry expert. The company, which earned $75.9 billion in revenue last year, manufactures 90% of the world’s most advanced chips that power high-tech devices. TSMC accounts for 5.7% of Taiwan’s GDP and is so essential to the global economy that Taipei and its allies consider TSMC a “ silicon shield” that deters China from invading the self-governing island that Beijing claims as its own. At home, TSMC sets a high bar for its employees. Sixty percent of its Taiwanese employees—and over 80% of its managers—hold a master’s degree or higher, according to a 2020 company report. And the company expects employees to know their place. 6成的员工还有8成的经理有硕士或是更高的学位 “Sure, TSMC might allow a reasonable expression of opinion [on work-related matters]—but only from an engineer or deputy manager to the department manager,” Joey, who has worked as a 5-nanometer chip engineer for TSMC in Taiwan for nearly six years, told Fortune. “It’s impossible for managers to express their opinions to upper-level management. This simply cannot be done, ” Joey said. (He asked to be identified only by his nickname due to fear of reprisals.) 公司可以拥有适当的意见表达,但只有从工程师到部经。部经没办法再往上表达意见 Supervisors chastise workers who apply for overtime, Joey said. Most workers accrue overtime to finish their heavy workloads, but many are too afraid to ask to be paid for it. “It’s all a ruse,” Joey said. Fortune contacted several new, U.S.-based recruits and Taiwan-based engineers, but they all declined to talk, citing TSMC’s strict privacy policies and concerns about retaliation. (请自行翻译) “Our salary is only [for] 10 hours [a day], [but] we don’t leave until we’ re done. And we’ve never been willing to report it,” a member of a private 85,000-person Facebook group for current and former employees of TSMC in Taiwan wrote in February. (请自行翻译) TSMC’s worldwide turnover rate among staff that joined in the previous year surged to 17.6% in 2021 from 11.6% in 2017, according to the company’s 2021 sustainability report. (请自行翻译) Still, TSMC is a coveted employer in Taiwan, in large part because it offers relatively high wages. New engineering grads with a master’s degree earn on average $65,700 a year, while general full-time staff earn $32,800—compared to Taiwan’s average annual income of $21,700. Chou credits TSMC’s “highly disciplined” work culture that delineates a “ clear hierarchy between supervisors and subordinates” for its dominance. From 2021 to 2022, the chipmaker’s sales skyrocketed, and its revenue surged nearly 30%, reflecting the supercharged demand for chips during the pandemic. But TSMC’s supremacy in pumping out high-tech chips isn’t making up for the lopsided bargain it’s offering highly-educated candidates in the U.S.: a rigid workplace with arduous training requirements in exchange for pay that’ s lower than rivals’. TSMC 'doesn’t need all Ph.D.s' 不需要所有的博士生 Taiwan’s higher education system, where 31% of university students choose STEM majors—compared to 17.5% in the U.S.—has spoiled TSMC. For jobs in its fabs, the company prefers candidates with Ph.D.s and master’s degrees more so than peers like Intel, says Dylan Patel, a semiconductor industry expert and author of the newsletter SemiAnalysis. Earlier this year, job listings for engineering roles reviewed by Fortune sought candidates with a Ph.D. or master’s degree. 公司更喜欢收有博士和硕士学位的学生 Some industry observers argue that TSMC’s education expectations are unnecessarily high, especially in the U.S., where decades of offshoring chip manufacturing and the lure of Silicon Valley’s high-paying software jobs have created a shortfall of hardware-focused STEM graduates. Consultancy Accenture argues that the U.S. is facing an “acute talent shortage across the entire value chain.” It estimates that the U.S. needs 70,000 to 90,000 “ highly-skilled personnel” to fulfill domestic demand for critical semiconductor applications alone, in sectors like aerospace, defense, and automotives. 有些人觉得对於学位的要求有点过高了 High-volume fabs demand some highly-skilled workers, like engineers who research and develop technology to manufacture advanced chips. But the bulk of fab employees work on the production line and don’t need more than a bachelor’s degree, says Santosh Kurinec, a fellow and professor of engineering at the Rochester Institute of Technology. 大部的工作不需要用到大学学历以上的员工 “Ph.D.s are necessary in the industry, but it doesn’t need all Ph.D.s,” she says. 当然需要博士生,但不需要全部的博士生 Another challenge is compensation. TSMC pays up to $160,000 annually “for Ph.D.s with some good experience,” says an Arizona-based CEO of a semiconductor recruitment firm hiring for TSMC. That same Ph.D. can earn some $30,000 more at Intel, according to Payscale, a website that tracks company salaries. 另外一个挑战是薪水。公司只愿意付16万美元给有经验的博士生,但是在intel 同样经验的博士生可以拿到19万美元 TSMC’s American rivals, meanwhile, are defending against its recruiting onslaught. The recruitment firm CEO says candidates have gotten “ counter-offers like we’ve never seen. Intel is... giving [people] $10,000 to $20,000 to stick around. We’ve lost people that way.” 但美国的对手公司们却也在防止公司的抢人屠杀。很多人都拿到很好的offer, 像intel就得要付更多钱(1~2万美元)来留住他们的员工不被挖走 Anyone who’s talented and experienced is “highly sought after and making a lot of money. The challenge has been finding folks at Intel [and] GlobalFoundries to make a move without breaking the bank at the same time,” the CEO says. 有天分和经验的人被疯狂追求,且赚了很多钱。但挑战是如何挖走intel和格罗方德 的人才而且不会破产 Up to 18 months of overseas training Adding to the recruiting challenge is TSMC’s demand that new U.S.-based engineering and technician hires ship off to Taiwan for months of training and cultural exposure. Since April 2021, TSMC has sent 600 newly hired U.S. engineers to Taiwan. “ They are now returning to Arizona armed with…the most advanced semiconductor technology knowledge,” a company spokesperson told Fortune. The overseas training component, which requires U.S. staff to spend anywhere from 12 to 18 months in Taiwan, is uncommon among its rivals in the U.S., even foreign-headquartered firms, says Justin Kinsey, president of SBT Industries, a boutique semiconductor recruitment firm. Hiring the first batch of engineers and technicians to train in Taiwan was a “heck of a recruiting challenge,” says the Arizona-based CEO. “We’d send 30 jobs [to 30 qualified candidates] and get maybe one or two people to bite, ” he said. Recruiters say that some younger engineers viewed TSMC’s overseas training as an all-expenses-paid trip to Taiwan to train on the world ’s most sophisticated chipmaking tools. But many candidates were unwilling to go to Taiwan because of the strain it would impose on their families. Some worried about catching COVID-19 and the territory’s geopolitical tensions with China, while others simply didn’t have passports. A corporate trainer who works with TSMC on its home turf says the company’s new U.S. trainees are clashing with the company’s veteran staff once they land in Taiwan, mostly because Americans don’t revere authority as much as their Taiwanese colleagues expect them to. Still, she credits TSMC for trying to “bridge the cultural gap.” TSMC strives to nurture 'a well-balanced life' 公司开始寻求更平衡的生活 TSMC is making changes to better compete in the cutthroat battle for U.S. chip talent. 为了争抢美国的人才,公司开始做了改变 The company increased staff salaries worldwide by 20% in 2021 in hopes of improving hiring and retention. (Recruiters say TSMC rivals have hiked their salaries in return, boosting pay across the industry.) TSMC says it encourages employees to “nurture… a well-balanced life,” with its U.S. facilities offering fitness and health centers, a “variety of activities and clubs, and a warm ambience,” a spokesperson said. The chipmaker also “facilitate[s] several internal communication channels to allow employees to share ideas and concerns regarding work conditions," the spokesperson said. "We actively listen and provide change where needed.” The company is also upgrading and expanding its Arizona training facilities so fewer recruits are required to train overseas, but there will “still be some roles which necessitate training onsite in Taiwan,” the spokesperson said. Still, to attract the large numbers of skilled workers it needs, TSMC needs to focus on “develop[ing] a culture [where] people want to work… and stay, ” says a Midwest-based recruiter who soon will start hiring for TSMC. “Even Intel, an American company with all the benefits, compensation, and years of hiring expertise, will still have difficulties [hiring]. I can’t imagine how much harder it’s going to be for TSMC.” TSMC founder Morris Chang, the man credited with establishing Taiwan’s semiconductor industry, has repeatedly said that the company’s success in Taiwan would be difficult to replicate in another country. The U.S.’s “lack of manufacturing talents”—as Chang put it—and its expensive production costs make TSMC’s U.S. gambit particularly challenging. (Chip costs in Arizona are 50% higher than in Taiwan, and Chang recently warned they could double.) In Chou’s view, TSMC’s decision to expand U.S. production is “not economically rational,” but the plan’s geopolitical value—to the U.S. and to Taiwan, in the event of any conflict with China—may make it too important to fail. --
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1F:推 oddoneislove: ”大部分工作不需要大学以上学历” 06/05 18:18
2F:推 nlriey : 第一句超经典的怎没翻出来,对台湾人来说,台积是台 06/05 18:21
3F:→ nlriey : 湾的救世主是电是光 06/05 18:21
4F:推 NDark : 他们搞错了 就是要被教育荼毒到硕士才这麽乖好用 06/05 18:27
5F:推 oyaji5566 : 太粗暴了 06/05 18:27
6F:→ NDark : 又要你聪明 又要你不可以自主思考 只有台湾才训练出 06/05 18:28
7F:推 steak5566 : 本来就没有打算要请当地人呀 请几个做做样子 大部 06/05 18:29
8F:→ steak5566 : 分就是运黄猴子过去啊 06/05 18:29
9F:推 d86249 : 台积电在生产高科技晶片方面的优势,并未对美国高 06/05 18:37
10F:→ d86249 : 学历应徵者提供补偿:以较低的薪资换取严格的工作 06/05 18:37
11F:→ d86249 : 环境和繁重的培训要求,较低於竞争对手的薪资水平。 06/05 18:38
12F:→ d86249 : 台积电的本土工作的企业培训师表示 06/05 18:38
13F:→ d86249 : 美国受训员工一旦抵达台湾就会与公司的资深员工发 06/05 18:38
14F:→ d86249 : 生冲突,主要原因是美国人对规则的服从程度不如 06/05 18:38
15F:→ d86249 : 他们的台湾同事所期望的那样。 06/05 18:39
16F:→ d86249 : 尽管如此,她认可台积电试图"弥合文化差异"的努力 06/05 18:39
17F:→ d86249 : 後面那段有够干话,我们加薪了但是对手加更多 06/05 18:42
18F:推 qwe78971 : 整段简单讲就是 低薪 要求高学历 禁止思考 服从 06/05 18:54
19F:→ qwe78971 : 不能领加班费 怕报复 没有家庭生活 06/05 18:55
20F:→ qwe78971 : 在台湾为何成功 因为其他人更低薪 06/05 18:55
21F:推 nlriey : 连加班不给报加班费还有脸书社团的发文都被放进来 06/05 18:57
22F:→ nlriey : 这记者功课做不少 06/05 18:57
23F:→ bnn : 台积的态度一直都是要走就走 总会剩下够多脚麻仔 06/05 19:00
24F:推 qwe78971 : 讽刺的是 台湾人当神来拜 去美国没一项是赢的 06/05 19:01
25F:→ qwe78971 : 它里面有写离职率 而且还逐年提高 06/05 19:01
26F:→ qwe78971 : 福利 薪资 家庭 三项全输 连加班费都不肯给 06/05 19:02
27F:→ qwe78971 : 工作做到死 公司会找人报复都写在里面 有够敢 06/05 19:02
28F:→ bnn : 他只要比当地薪资好上一截 就会有大学生留下 06/05 19:03
29F:→ bnn : 反正本来就抢不赢软体 他抢的是适合愿意留的工人 06/05 19:04
30F:→ bnn : 反正做久了他只要继续赢过牙膏就收得到新人进去轮 06/05 19:05
31F:嘘 ptta : 不爽快滚 後面排队排很长 06/05 19:06
32F:推 gametv : Excel拉一拉哪需要读到研究所 06/05 19:06
33F:→ jim543000 : 早说了 台积只有在台湾才能存活 也是受惠於人人有大 06/05 19:08
34F:→ jim543000 : 学之赐 06/05 19:09
35F:推 flower42 : 里面好敢写xD 06/05 19:11
36F:→ jim543000 : 哪里找高知识工时长免费加班又听话不罢工的人才? 06/05 19:12
37F:→ jim543000 : 台湾啦 06/05 19:12
38F:推 nlriey : 太晚高学历身材比例高,另外在台湾的高等教育中,31 06/05 19:14
39F:→ nlriey : % 的大学生选择 STEM(理工) 专业,而相比之下美国的 06/05 19:14
40F:→ nlriey : 这比例为 17.5%,台湾这高比例已经宠坏了台积电。( 06/05 19:14
41F:→ nlriey : 一直有便宜又好用的新鲜肝) 06/05 19:14
42F:→ nlriey : *台湾高学历人才比例 06/05 19:14
43F:→ nlriey : 记者超敢,这篇这麽辛辣,比GG黑还敢写 06/05 19:15
44F:推 ivanos : 楼下intel奴工快来发表高见 06/05 19:25
45F:推 Shepherd1987: 部经往上就不属於尘世了, 看到听到都是一层层rehea 06/05 19:34
46F:→ Shepherd1987: rse过的演出, 自然会做出充满自信的决定. 06/05 19:34
47F:→ yoyoyolin : 早说了,鬼岛有鬼岛玩法,把鬼岛玩法拿去美国玩本 06/05 19:46
48F:→ yoyoyolin : 来就行不通。 06/05 19:46
49F:推 steak5566 : 美国人靠北 HR就无法洗地了 06/05 19:47
50F:推 denny0000002: 一群领着最低薪的人把公司做到全球第一,真是讽刺 06/05 20:14
51F:→ denny0000002: 啊 06/05 20:14
52F:推 tennyleaz : 想看更多爆料 06/05 20:27
53F:推 chter : 简言之,当台积股东,不要当员工,语毕 06/05 20:28
54F:推 zaiter : 就说美国派来造神让台湾年轻人便智障的汉奸 灭国妖 06/05 20:34
55F:→ zaiter : 山一起来 其他行业全部便智障 人才都变奴才 品牌 汽 06/05 20:34
56F:→ zaiter : 车 旅游 文化 艺术 艺人 电影 动漫 运动 全部都烂到 06/05 20:34
57F:→ zaiter : 百废待举 灭国妖山 把全台都变智障奴才 06/05 20:34
58F:推 a524528 : 楼上在公沙小,没有钱要怎麽发展文化 06/05 20:48
59F:→ a524528 : 台积电本来就只是领比较多的台企,期待甚麽吗? 06/05 20:49
60F:推 zaiter : 泰国越南柬埔寨之类的 文化都比台湾强 台湾就美国要 06/05 20:51
61F:→ zaiter : 培养来发展成奴隶殖民地 曹也说台湾实质根本就是美 06/05 20:51
62F:→ zaiter : 日的 06/05 20:51
63F:推 EKman : 这样的推文真的是一堆妖魔鬼怪低端在乱讲 06/05 20:55
64F:→ wzmildf : 你以为没台积你就不会是奴才阿 蠢 06/05 21:17
65F:→ wzmildf : 你只会变成很穷的奴才而已,继续看国光帮帮忙和康熙 06/05 21:17
66F:推 w9103 : 他们只是把长久以来的事实讲出来而已.. 06/05 21:28
67F:推 papamonkey : 等等这不就是台积领先业界的秘密...都摊给你看了 06/05 21:30
68F:→ papamonkey : 美国人还不相信,还在用落後者自我的观点来发表意见 06/05 21:31
69F:推 geniusw : 第一句是三小 哈哈哈 06/05 21:33
70F:推 BigHurt : 这篇好赞 06/05 21:59
71F:推 johnlin35 : 推 06/05 22:09
72F:→ apoenzyme0 : 说台积不需要硕士.因intel没有 06/05 22:19
73F:→ apoenzyme0 : 那实验结果不就告诉你,其实是要的嬷 06/05 22:19
74F:→ apoenzyme0 : 你想不透不代表它就不是事实 06/05 22:20
75F:→ apoenzyme0 : 有些人也想不透GAA漏电流怎可能比FINFET差 06/05 22:21
76F:→ apoenzyme0 : 但实际上就是有.台积的3NM也是一大群硕士搞出来的 06/05 22:22
77F:推 winston11tw : 这记者很粗暴喔XD台湾没记者这麽敢写 06/05 22:24
78F:→ luche : 最後一段中文 台湾人才有这麽好争取吗? 06/05 23:25
79F:推 AgentSkye56 : 降薪去台积就不是因为薪水 是为了社会地位跟权力 06/06 00:16
80F:→ petesegex : 台湾人的奴性可不是开玩笑的 06/06 00:49
81F:推 WWIII : 台积成功的关键就是找硕士做高中生的工作 06/06 01:21
82F:推 Homedoni : 世界第一的秘密都跟你说了 老美还看不懂? 06/06 01:27
83F:推 vampirelin : 在台湾能成功,是因为其他工作更血汗且薪水更低... 06/06 02:07
84F:推 nwkasim : 早就说过台积电的秘密就是台奴 06/06 06:03
85F:推 a1379 : 台湾记者写了保证GG公关马上来关心了 嘻嘻 06/06 08:50
86F:推 gametv : 又不是每个人都在拚先进制程,有些缺只要Excel拉一 06/06 08:53
87F:→ gametv : 拉,PowerPoint贴一贴弄个排版,哪需要硕士 06/06 08:53
88F:→ mangoldfish : 台积在台湾就单纯钱给比较多,多数人哪有什麽wlb, 06/06 09:12
89F:→ mangoldfish : 去美国单纯就给的不够高而已,不然奴隶哪有分国界 06/06 09:12
90F:推 jamesho8743 : 有哦 奴隶有分国界的 美国奴隶跟非洲奴隶差很多 高 06/06 11:21
91F:→ jamesho8743 : 等人的奴隶比一般人还屌 没看大太监? 06/06 11:21
92F:嘘 sjerrysss : 我在台积的同学明明一个比一个爽 大部分9点上班下 06/06 11:43
93F:→ sjerrysss : 午7点前就可以离开公司了 有加班也是加多少报多少 06/06 11:43
94F:→ sjerrysss : 这些文章弄臭台积电的意图是什麽? 06/06 11:43
95F:→ sjerrysss : 不过我同学多数在IT部门 也许产线真的比较辛苦啦 06/06 11:45
96F:→ k798976869 : IT也要看单位 反正愈靠近产线愈累还要常常on call是 06/06 11:47
97F:→ k798976869 : 基本 06/06 11:48
98F:推 sjerrysss : 我IT的同学们可能运气都不错 个个钱多事少 06/06 11:52
99F:→ sjerrysss : 不过这些文章的作者只报辛苦的那些人 台积电很多过 06/06 11:53
100F:→ sjerrysss : 得很滋润的单位都不报 06/06 11:53
101F:→ wtl : 爽的人哪敢大声讲自己爽 被上面老板知道过太爽 事情 06/06 11:59
102F:→ wtl : 准备做不完 06/06 11:59
103F:推 fxp87117 : 聘几个白人演演戏啦,还不是要靠黄猴子 06/06 12:04
104F:→ fxp87117 : 古有铁路华工,今有晶片猪仔嘻嘻 06/06 12:05
105F:→ ImHoluCan : 半导体很多真的不需要大学以上的人,台湾ㄧ堆硕士 06/06 14:22
106F:→ ImHoluCan : 做高中就能做的事,真的搞笑 06/06 14:22
107F:→ nxuanr : 把民进党送去大陆吧 06/06 14:24
108F:→ ImHoluCan : 每个公司本来就有爽的单位与不爽的单位,但台机电 06/06 14:26
109F:→ ImHoluCan : 就是不爽的单位大於爽的单位,爽的单位很少人离职 06/06 14:26
110F:→ ImHoluCan : ,不爽的真的很惨 06/06 14:26
111F:→ k798976869 : 爽的单位就很吃学历啊 非本科系 非电子硕基本无缘 06/06 15:50
112F:→ peterkan : 最可怜的是台湾员工吧,卖肝但薪资没比美国人高. 06/06 17:02
113F:→ peterkan : 某楼不知在写什麽幻想文,台积报加班,呵呵. 06/06 17:03
114F:→ peterkan : 大概只有直接人员会报加班吧. 06/06 17:04
115F:→ k798976869 : 主管会暗示你不给报 06/06 17:22
116F:→ k798976869 : 一线猪屎屋都可以报 但是也有硬上限40小时 超过就是 06/06 17:22
117F:→ k798976869 : 做功德 06/06 17:22
118F:推 hohoho2010 : 台湾人便宜,学历高,奴性重,美国人比不上 06/06 19:10
119F:→ peterkan : 加班上限40几个小时是劳基法规定的.给报就不错了. 06/06 21:04
120F:→ hohohoyayaya: 爽单位不只吃学历吧 一堆女生连科系都不对 还不是从 06/07 04:48
121F:→ hohohoyayaya: 产线内转到爽单位 连不懂电子学都能跳layout了 什 06/07 04:49
122F:→ hohohoyayaya: 麽进去再学 男的就叫你去吃屎吧不会还想来 06/07 04:49
123F:→ k798976869 : 女的不算 因为公司想要尽量男女比例能达到1:1的外 06/07 12:15
124F:→ k798976869 : 国进步价值 06/07 12:15







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