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标题[新闻] TSMC Considers Running Intel's US
时间Sat Feb 15 04:20:22 2025
原文标题:
TSMC Considers Running Intel's US Factories After Trump Team Request
TSMC would take controlling stake in potential partnership
Administration aims to boost manufacturing of advanced chips
台积电考虑在特朗普团队请求下运营英特尔的美国工厂
台积电可能在合作中持有控股权
美国政府希望提升先进晶片制造能力
原文连结:
https://tinyurl.com/mrewftsy
发布时间:
2025年2月15日 at 上午2:54
记者署名:
Mackenzie Hawkins and Ian King
原文内容:
Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. is considering taking a controlling
stake in Intel Corp.’s factories at the request of Trump administration
officials, a person familiar with the matter said, as the president looks to
boost American manufacturing and maintain US leadership in critical
technologies.
Trump’s team raised the idea of a deal between the two companies in recent
meetings with officials from the Taiwanese chipmaker, the person said, and
TSMC was receptive. It’s unclear whether Intel is open to a transaction.
The talks are in very early stages, and the exact structure of a potential
partnership hasn’t been established. But the intended result would have the
world’s largest made-to-order chipmaker fully operating Intel’s US
semiconductor factories, said the person, who asked not to be identified
because the conversations are private. It also would address concerns about
Intel’s deteriorating financial state, which has forced the company to slash
jobs and curb its global expansion plans.
The arrangement may involve having major American chip designers take equity
stakes, according to the person, along with support from the US government.
That means the venture wouldn’t solely be owned by a foreign company. TSMC is
the go-to chipmaker for Apple Inc., Nvidia Corp. and other companies
developing semiconductors that power AI algorithms.
TSMC and Santa Clara, California-based Intel declined to comment. A White
House representative didn’t immediately respond to a request for comment.
Intel shares pared losses on Friday after Bloomberg reported on the
discussions. The stock was down less than 1% to $24 as 1:56 p.m. in New York
after dropping as much as 5.3% earlier in the session.
While Intel has lost a lot of ground to rivals over the last five years, it
still manufactures the most widely used components in the personal computer
and server industries. And it has the largest and most advanced production
network owned by a US-based company. Those factories have taken on vital
strategic importance as Washington works to reverse decades of semiconductor
manufacturing shifting to Asia.
Under former Chief Executive Officer Pat Gelsinger, Intel embarked on an
ambitious and expensive plan to restore its chipmaking lead, and the company
won $7.9 billion in US government funding to support projects in four states.
It’s also secured $3 billion to produce chips for the US military, all of
which will be paid out over time as Intel’s plants hit key milestones. The
company has received $2.2 billion as of January.
But that effort has so far failed to attract enough outside customers to make
the investments worthwhile, particularly at a new site in Ohio. Intel’s own
products also are losing market share, adding to the overall squeeze on its
finances — just when it needs to spend heavily. Gelsinger was forced out in
December after the board lost confidence in his turnaround plans.
Though Intel has reiterated its commitment to investing in US factories —
even as it pulls back from efforts abroad — Washington officials have for
months been discussing contingency plans. One option favored by some in the
Biden administration was a possible deal between Intel and GlobalFoundries Inc
., Bloomberg has reported.
That would have married a maker of older-generation chips with Intel’s
leading-edge business. But GlobalFoundries walked away from cutting-edge
production years ago and doesn’t have the money for an acquisition, so those
conversations didn’t progress much past a thought exercise.
Biden officials also floated the possibility of TSMC licensing its
manufacturing technology for use at Intel’s facilities, according to multiple
people familiar with the conversations. But TSMC wasn’t interested in an
arrangement that could ultimately benefit a competitor, the people said. And
Biden’s team was generally reluctant to take an active role in deal
conversations, according to several people familiar with the situation.
Trump, meanwhile, is not shy about cutting deals — and TSMC, which just held
its board meeting in the US for the first time, is eager to maintain good
relations with the new president.
Trump has repeatedly accused Taiwan of “stealing” the US chip industry and
threatened tariffs on foreign-produced semiconductors. He’s expressed a
preference for using those kinds of levies to boost US chipmaking instead of
government subsidies — the approach adopted by the US Chips and Science Act.
That legislation, passed in 2022, led to TSMC winning $6.6 billion in grants
to support three plants in Phoenix.
But it was also Trump’s first administration that set out to lure TSMC to the
US, and top Trump officials have consistently affirmed their commitment to
boosting domestic manufacturing. That’s particularly true for technologies at
the heart of the US-China competition.
The US “will ensure that the most powerful AI systems are built in the US
with American-designed and manufactured chips,” Vice President JD Vance said
during an AI summit in Paris earlier this week.
The fact that TSMC is open to an Intel deal indicates a change in tune from
just a few months ago. In October, CEO C.C. Wei had told analysts that his
company wasn’t interested in acquiring Intel’s factories.
Asked the same question again in January, Wei didn’t directly answer: “They
are our very good customers,” he said. “I like them and they are very
important to TSMC’s business also. That all I can say.”
— With assistance from Debby Wu and Jenny Leonard
ChatGPT机翻:
台湾积体电路制造公司(台积电)正在考虑在美国政府官员的请求下,持有英特尔公司(
Intel)工厂的控股权,一名知情人士透露。此举是特朗普政府为了促进美国制造业发展
,并维持美国在关键技术领域的领导地位。
该知情人士表示,特朗普团队最近与台积电高层会面时,提出了这项合作构想,而台积电
对此表示有兴趣。
目前尚不清楚英特尔是否愿意接受这笔交易。
谈判仍处於非常初步的阶段,潜在合作的具体架构尚未确定。然而,这项计画的目标是让
全球最大的晶圆代工企业全面接管英特尔在美国的半导体工厂。该知情人士表示,这也将
有助於缓解市场对英特尔财务状况恶化的担忧,该公司近期已被迫裁员并缩减其全球扩张
计画。
该知情人士表示,这项合作可能会涉及
美国主要晶片设计公司持有部分股权,同时获得美
国政府的支持。这意味着该合资企业不会完全由外国公司持有。
台积电是苹果公司(Apple Inc.)、辉达公司(Nvidia Corp.)及其他开发人工智慧(AI
)运算晶片企业的主要代工夥伴。
台积电和总部位於加州圣克拉拉的英特尔均拒绝置评。
白宫发言人则尚未回应置评请求。
在彭博社报导相关讨论後,英特尔股价周五缩小跌幅。截至美东时间下午 1:56,该公司
股价下跌不到 1%,至 24 美元,此前盘中一度下跌 5.3%。
尽管英特尔在过去五年内大幅落後於竞争对手,但仍然是个人电脑与伺服器产业中最常用
晶片的主要制造商。此外,它拥有美国企业所持有的最大且最先进的半导体生产网络。随
着华盛顿试图扭转数十年来半导体制造向亚洲转移的趋势,这些工厂已成为极具战略价值
的资产。
在前任执行长帕特·基辛格(Pat Gelsinger)的领导下,英特尔展开了一项雄心勃勃且
高成本的计画,试图重夺晶片制造领先地位。该公司获得了美国政府 79 亿美元的资助,
以支持其在四个州的项目。此外,英特尔还获得 30 亿美元资金,用於为美国军方生产晶
片,这些资金将随着英特尔工厂达成关键里程碑而陆续发放。截至 1 月,英特尔已收到
22 亿美元。
然而,这项计画至今未能吸引足够的外部客户,使其投资变得值得,特别是在俄亥俄州的
新厂。与此同时,英特尔自家产品的市场份额也在下滑,进一步加剧了其财务压力,恰逢
公司正需要大笔支出之际。由於董事会对基辛格的复兴计画失去信心,他在去年 12 月被
迫下台。
尽管英特尔一再强调其对美国工厂投资的承诺——即使同时缩减海外业务——但华盛顿官
员数月来一直在讨论备选方案。据《彭博社》报导,拜登政府内部的一些官员曾支持英特
尔与格罗方德(GlobalFoundries Inc.)达成潜在交易的选项。
这项合作将把专注於生产旧世代晶片的公司与英特尔的先进制程业务结合。然而,格罗方
德早已放弃尖端制程,且缺乏资金进行收购,因此这些讨论最终未能进一步发展,仅停留
在概念阶段。
据多位知情人士透露,拜登政府官员曾提出另一种可能性,即让台积电授权其制造技术,
供英特尔的工厂使用。然而,知情人士表示,台积电对这种最终可能有利於竞争对手的安
排并不感兴趣。此外,据多名消息人士透露,拜登团队整体上也不愿在这类交易谈判中积
极介入。
另一方面,川普在推动交易方面向来直言不讳,而台积电近期首次在美国举行董事会会
议,显示出其希望与新任总统维持良好关系的意愿。
川普多次指责台湾「窃取」美国的晶片产业,并威胁对外国生产的半导体徵收关税。他倾
向於透过关税措施来促进美国本土的晶片制造,而非依赖政府补助——这与《美国晶片与
科学法案》的做法不同。该法案於 2022 年通过,并使台积电获得 66 亿美元的补助,用
於支持其在凤凰城兴建的三座工厂。
不过,最早积极吸引台积电赴美设厂的,正是川普的第一届政府,而川普政府的高层官员
也一直强调其推动国内制造业发展的承诺,特别是那些处於美中竞争核心的关键技术。
美国副总统 JD Vance 本周稍早在巴黎举行的 AI 高峰会上表示,美国「将确保最强大的
人工智慧系统在美国建造,并使用美国设计和制造的晶片」。
台积电对与英特尔合作持开放态度,显示出与几个月前相比立场有所转变。
去年 10 月,
台积电执行长魏哲家曾向分析师表示,公司对收购英特尔工厂不感兴趣。
而在今年 1 月再次被问及同样问题时,魏哲家并未直接回答,而是表示:「他们是我们
非常重要的客户,我很喜欢他们,他们对台积电的业务也非常关键。这就是我能说的全部
了。」
心得/评论:
传出入股英特尔的不只台积电,还会包括美国其他的晶片设计公司,
甚至美国政府也可能入股(有可能是川普说的主权基金,尽管钱不知道从哪来)
而英特尔也未必会接受。
由台积电去年10月至今年1月的回答转变,这件事可能之前就在私下谈了。
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1F:推 sheep2009 : 超级idm 02/15 04:22
※ 编辑: chordate (114.32.7.252 台湾), 02/15/2025 04:23:47
2F:→ nakayamayyt : 问就是喷 02/15 04:25
3F:推 DFIGHT : 笑死 带起来就说垄断开罚 02/15 04:29
4F:推 harry458031 : 变成子公司+技转的概念? 02/15 04:29
5F:推 master56 : 其实是跪了 但至少可避免关税 02/15 04:30
6F:推 yang1026 : 过年前早料到 还发一篇文 一堆人不信 接下来看三星 02/15 04:31
7F:→ yang1026 : 要不要一起卖晶圆代工厂了 02/15 04:31
8F:推 xkso : 工厂卖给GG 当缴保护费 ? 02/15 04:31
9F:推 poisonB : 50收 晚了就不要了 02/15 04:32
10F:→ hong414 : 已翻 02/15 04:33
11F:→ nash1314 : 去年 CC魏:谁要这垃圾拖累公司 02/15 04:37
12F:→ nash1314 : 今年 CC魏:我非常有兴趣 02/15 04:37
13F:推 al311166 : 这样就可以躲关税了吗?? 02/15 04:37
14F:推 josephpu : 把美国那几间fabless也抓进来入股 真会玩 02/15 04:41
15F:推 pickchu22001: 这样当然可以免关税啊,搞不好GG 有些单要分新工厂 02/15 05:09
16F:推 tigerliao : 台积电这样跟被强暴没两样,事後又提高国防预算 等 02/15 05:27
17F:→ tigerliao : 於付费被强暴 02/15 05:27
18F:推 poru : 往好处想gg以後有川普罩有美国罩坏处是每年多提列 02/15 05:29
19F:→ poru : 几十亿美金当作折旧吧!一开始光工厂改造就几年过 02/15 05:29
20F:→ poru : 去了! 02/15 05:29
21F:→ poru : 技术还是台湾最先进啦!毕竟研发都在台湾 02/15 05:30
22F:→ poru : 如果gg要维持毛利营利不排除调涨代工价或要求其下 02/15 05:32
23F:→ poru : 供应链降价 02/15 05:32
24F:推 poru : 周一营建股会崩盘吗 02/15 05:43
25F:→ poru : Gg adr涨代表美国胜利但周一台积电可不一定涨喔! 02/15 05:45
26F:嘘 inoce : 直接抢技术噢 02/15 05:52
27F:推 firemothra : 请君入瓮。嘻嘻 02/15 05:54
28F:推 dosiris : 以後买得到 Gntel 的CPU吗 02/15 06:12
29F:→ henrk : 英特尔出资一千亿美元把晶圆厂卖给台积电,都算台 02/15 06:19
30F:→ henrk : 积电的大利空吧 02/15 06:19
31F:→ dosiris : 之前不是说GG收购Intel代工厂算利多 02/15 06:23
32F:嘘 cerebrum : GG下去吧 02/15 06:24
33F:→ efed : 巴菲特真是高瞻远瞩,他唯一没说的应该就是台湾政 02/15 06:29
34F:→ efed : 府掏空台积电吧 02/15 06:29
35F:→ dosiris : 好了啦 没事了 老张早就算好这种结果 才没主动谈 02/15 06:31
36F:推 nomad888 : 养一家新公司来抢台积电订单, 02/15 06:35
37F:→ nomad888 : 难怪台湾股票跌,美国股票涨 02/15 06:35
38F:推 afflic : 如果客户也入股,我想也是百般不愿意 02/15 06:45
39F:推 Toge : GG有川普罩?呵呵,不过就是个肉便器还需要罩 02/15 06:45
40F:→ afflic : 反正就大家一起做做样子给川普面子 02/15 06:45
41F:推 g0t24568 : 保护费要台积电缴 台湾政府是多可悲 02/15 06:57
42F:推 cospergod : 高级打工头 笑死 股权还是美国运营起来就能滚了 02/15 06:59
43F:推 julian42 : gg 收购代工厂要百分百持股才利多吧,美国政府也在 02/15 07:00
44F:→ julian42 : 里面持股看起来超可怕 02/15 07:00
45F:→ kotoyan : 政府也要军购缴保护费啊= =如果是政府出你是不是又 02/15 07:00
46F:→ kotoyan : 要骂为啥要用纳税钱帮私人企业缴保护费? 02/15 07:00
47F:推 ymlin0331 : 太离谱了...... 02/15 07:11
48F:推 gotwins : 晶片设计公司也入股或牙膏还持有部分股权,哪间敢下 02/15 07:15
49F:→ gotwins : 单阿,不怕设计被偷学走喔? 02/15 07:15
50F:推 lponnn : 估计也不能用太多台湾人 结论:继续赔钱 02/15 07:25
52F:→ loom0et0bust: 然後白宫又反驳了 02/15 07:28
53F:→ nomad888 : 周末鬼故事 02/15 07:42
54F:推 junior020486: 台湾不能待了 02/15 08:05
55F:推 op520 : 呵呵 台湾台积电营运精神移植到美国?不可能啦 02/15 08:06
56F:推 wei9898 : 我认为就算给英特尔技术,英特尔也做不起来,因为 02/15 08:16
57F:→ wei9898 : 里面太多眉眉角角了 02/15 08:16
58F:→ wei9898 : 只有台积电的工程师可以稳定良率 02/15 08:17
59F:→ safetoy : 川普真的是技安 02/15 08:24
60F:推 b54102 : 等你做起来再踢到旁边吗 XD 02/15 08:32
61F:推 kenro : 弄一阵子有起色,四年也差不多过了 02/15 08:40
62F:→ abc5555990 : 唯一的方法就是引进台劳 美国能做到的话才可能成功 02/15 08:47
63F:→ abc5555990 : 耐操便宜堪用的人力比技术还重要 02/15 08:48
64F:推 kenro : 他们工会现就该该叫啊,以後真的量产才是苦头开始 02/15 09:01
65F:→ goodjop : 意思应该是牙膏会被多间公司分食... 02/15 09:04
66F:→ Casper50 : 叫川普穿上无尘衣进去轮个一周不知道他想法会不会 02/15 09:04
67F:→ Casper50 : 改变 02/15 09:04
68F:→ goodjop : 工厂的部分由台积接收制造卖给美国人 02/15 09:05
69F:→ goodjop : 设计部分 美国七巨跟政府还是持有专利 02/15 09:05
70F:→ elmer : Intel没有想像的弱,他在架构上IP布局其实相当完整 02/15 09:24
71F:→ elmer : 其实中国与其扶植SMIC不如狂买INTC 02/15 09:24
72F:→ elmer : 可能更划算 02/15 09:24
73F:推 koyo017 : 帮竞争对手提升技术追上自己 真是高招 02/15 09:35
74F:推 seemoon2000 : 所以之前有传过请刘德音去接 可能算是这个的延伸 02/15 09:35
75F:→ vanii40 : 丸子 02/15 09:38
76F:推 limitlesscit: 完惹ˉ 02/15 09:46
77F:→ goodjop : 中国买不到牙膏股份的。我也以为是刘德音去接,特 02/15 09:47
78F:→ goodjop : 殊事件排除竞业条款 02/15 09:47
79F:→ adoniskk : 高招,要GG花钱养英特尔工厂。 02/15 09:55
80F:→ sid3 : 川普跪求台积电合资英特尔 02/15 10:37
81F:推 lessmoref : 还有人在说避免关税,看来是不懂喔ㄏㄏ 02/15 10:45
82F:→ lessmoref : 关税完全可以转嫁给美企那些龙头好吗...... 02/15 10:45
83F:嘘 goodideals : 要救印特尔直接引进轮班星人比较快吧 02/15 10:57
84F:→ goodideals : 有一批好便宜的轮班星人不买吗 02/15 10:57
85F:→ goodideals : 来工作五年直接给绿卡不就好了 02/15 10:58
86F:→ payneblue : 当然要控股权阿 不然白干? 生意不是怎样谈的 02/15 11:03
87F:推 jasonspacex : 印特尔在设计架构真的不输GG 但量产是需要肝的 02/15 11:15
88F:推 Samurai : 楼上超级外行人就不要瞎讲了,台积纯代工不设计 02/15 11:32
89F:→ payneblue : 笑死 台积电甚麽时候搞设计了 02/15 11:39
90F:→ kilhi : 把印度人踢出去 02/15 11:51
91F:嘘 ken123321987: 跪下台积电 跪下 毒瘤公司 不把台湾人当人看 02/15 15:42
92F:推 Betterdays : 白人又不奴 你是要怎麽经营== 02/15 17:10