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TSMC’s debacle in the American desert TSMC 在美国沙漠中的困境 Missed deadlines and tension among Taiwanese and American coworkers are plaguing the chip giant’s Phoenix expansion. 错过期限以及台湾和美国同事间的紧张局势 正在困扰晶片巨头在凤凰城扩建计画 By VIOLA ZHOU 23 APRIL 2024‧PHOENIX, UNITED STATES Bruce thought he’d landed his dream job. The young American engineer had been eager for a stable, high-paying job in the semiconductor industry. Then, in late 2020, he received a LinkedIn message from a recruiter for Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company. Bruce read up on TSMC — the leading global manufacturer of advanced chips — and got excited. The job sounded like he’d be “pushing the boundaries of human technology,” he recalled to Rest of World. TSMC was undergoing a transformation at just about the same time Bruce heard from the recruiter. The coronavirus pandemic was exposing deep faults in supply chains, and a global chip shortage had slowed production of cars, smartphones, and refrigerators around the world. Meanwhile, American policymakers were rallying around what would eventually become the CHIPS and Science Act, a sweeping piece of legislation designed to boost semiconductor manufacturing in the U.S. TSMC, which makes most of its chips in Taiwan, was under pressure to expand its global manufacturing capacities. Bruce认为他找到了理想的工作。这位年轻的美国工程师渴望在半导体行业找到一份稳定 、高薪的工作。然後,在2020年底,他收到了台湾积体电路制造股份有限公司(TSMC)的 一封LinkedIn讯息Bruce了解了TSMC——这家全球领先的先进晶片制造商——感到兴奋 。他对Rest of World回忆说,这份工作听起来就像是他将要「突破人类技术的界限」。 就在Bruce收到招聘信息的时候,TSMC正在进行转型。新冠疫情暴露了供应链中的深层次 问题,全球晶片短缺减缓汽车、智慧手机和冰箱的生产速度。与此同时,美国政策制定者 正团结支持最终将成为晶片和科学法案的倡议,这是一项旨在促进美国半导体制造的全 面立法。TSMC主要在台湾生产大多数晶片,因此承受着扩大全球制造能力的压力。 Bruce would be working as a semiconductor engineer. The recruiter explained that he would first spend more than a year in Taiwan learning the ins and outs of the complex chipmaking process. Then, he’d return to Arizona. There, in a cactus-dotted suburb of Phoenix, TSMC was building a sprawling new factory to make the kind of chips that power iPhones and U.S. fighter jets. He’d be helping bring America’s newest chip factory online. Bruce was in. But over the next two years, Bruce came to realize that the reality of working at TSMC wasn’t exactly what he had envisioned. While working on nanometer- level processes to make state-of-the-art chips, he struggled with language barriers, long hours, and a strict hierarchy. Bruce soon began second-guessing what he had signed up for. The plant, which was originally set to begin operating in 2024, fell woefully behind schedule; production at the facility is now set to start in 2025. Bruce, who said he signed a confidentiality agreement with TSMC, requested anonymity for this story. He wasn’t the only one disappointed with TSMC’s progress in Arizona — other U.S. workers who spoke to Rest of World echoed Bruce’s concerns. In the past two years, the company has relocated hundreds of Taiwanese workers and their families to Arizona. Instead of a gleaming new facility, these workers found an active construction site, and a company struggling to bridge Taiwanese and American professional and cultural norms. Bruce 将成为一名半导体工程师。招聘人员解释说,他将首先在台湾度过一年多的时间, 学习复杂的晶片制造过程的各方面。然後,他将返回亚利桑那州。在那里,位於凤凰城 附近的一个仙人掌遍布的郊区,TSMC正在建造一个广阔的新工厂,生产着iPhone和美国 战斗机所使用的那种晶片。他将协助启动美国最新的晶片工厂。Bruce 表示愿意参与。 但在接下来的两年里,Bruce 开始意识到,在TSMC工作的现实并不完全符合他的想像。在 从事奈米级工艺制造最先进的晶片时,他遇到了语言障碍、长时间工作和严格的阶级制度 。Bruce 很快开始对自己所参与的工作产生了怀疑。该工厂原定於2024年开始运营,但进 度落後严重;工厂现在预计於2025年开始生产。Bruce 表示,他与TSMC签署了保密协议, 要求匿名报导此事。 他不是唯一对TSMC在亚利桑那州的进展感到失望的人——与Bruce交谈的其他美国工人也 对此表示了担忧。在过去的两年里,该公司已经将数百名台湾工人及其家属搬迁到亚利桑 那州。这些工人发现的不是座闪亮的新工厂,而是发现了一个正在建设中的工地,以及一 家在努力协调台湾和美国的专业和文化规范的公司。 Over the past four months, Rest of World spoke with more than 20 current and former TSMC employees — from the U.S. and Taiwan — at the Arizona plant. All of them requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media or because they feared retaliation from the company. In February, Rest of World traveled to Phoenix to visit the growing TSMC complex and spend time with the nascent community of transplanted Taiwanese engineers. The American engineers complained of rigid, counterproductive hierarchies at the company; Taiwanese TSMC veterans described their American counterparts as lacking the kind of dedication and obedience they believe to be the foundation of their company’s world-leading success. Some 2,200 employees now work at TSMC’s Arizona plant, with about half of them deployed from Taiwan. While tension at the plant simmers, TSMC has been ramping up its investments, recently securing billions of dollars in grants and loans from the U.S. government. Whether or not the plant succeeds in making cutting-edge chips with the same speed, efficiency, and profitability as facilities in Asia remains to be seen, with many skeptical about a U.S. workforce under TSMC’s army-like command system. “[The company] tried to make Arizona Taiwanese,” G. Dan Hutcheson, a semiconductor industry analyst at the research firm TechInsights, told Rest of World. “And it’s just not going to work.” 在过去的四个月里,《Rest of World》与亚利桑那州工厂的超过20名现任和前任台积电 员工进行了交流,其中包括来自美国和台湾的员工。所有人都要求匿名,因为他们未获授 权向媒体发言,或者他们担心公司会对他们进行报复。二月份,Rest of World前往凤凰 城参观了不断扩大的台积电工厂,并与移居至此的台湾工程师社区共度时光。 美国工程师抱怨公司的等级制度僵化、适得其反;台湾台积电的老员工则认为,美国同事 缺乏奉献精神和服从精神,而他们却认为,奉献精神和服从精神是该公司取得全球领先成 功的基础。 目前,有约2200名员工在台积电的亚利桑那州工厂工作,其中约一半来自台湾。尽管工厂 内部存在紧张局势,台积电已经加大了对该工厂的投资,最近从美国政府获得了数十亿美 元的补助和贷款。该工厂能否像亚洲工厂一样以同样的速度、效率和盈利能力制造尖端晶 片,这还有待观察,很多人对台积电的军队式指挥系统下的美国劳动力持怀疑态度。半导 体行业研究公司TechInsights的行业分析师G. Dan Hutcheson告诉《Rest of World》说 :“(公司)试图让亚利桑那州的工厂变成台湾工厂,但这是不可能的。” TSMC’s facilities are located on the outskirts of northern Phoenix, surrounded by miles of desert hills and wide roads. A glass-walled office building sits next to a massive parking lot, with a fountain in the shape of a round silicon wafer just in front of the facility gates. Next to the office building are the incomplete manufacturing facilities. Originally slated to open in 2024, the facilities resemble giant stadiums. Once complete, the entire complex will cover 1,100 acres, or the equivalent of 625 football fields. At lunch hour on a Monday in February, Taiwanese and American engineers walked in and out of the office building with badges, hard hats, and see-through backpacks — which make it easier and faster for workers to pass through security checks. TSMC got its start thousands of miles away from Arizona’s arid desert — on the northern coast of Taiwan. Morris Chang, a U.S.-educated chip engineer who spent 25 years at Texas Instruments, founded the company in 1987. He did so at the invitation of the Taiwanese government, which was eager to boost the island’s economy at the time. In the 1980s, companies like Intel and Texas Instruments designed and made their own chips. TSMC set out to do something different. Chang’s company would focus solely on contract manufacturing: Customers would send designs, and engineers in the company’s fabrication plants (also called “fabs”) worked to perfect production methods, minimize the number of defective chips, and reduce costs. The model proved a success. “All of a sudden it’s really efficient,” Hutcheson, of TechInsights, told Rest of World. “You can learn to become a plumber. But at the end of the day, it’s more efficient for you to focus on what you make money doing and then pay someone else to come do [the plumbing]. ” 台积电的设施位於凤凰城北部郊区,四周被数英里长的沙漠丘陵和宽阔的道路所环绕。一 座玻璃幕墙的办公楼坐落在一个巨大的停车场旁边,设施门口前面有一个圆形矽晶圆造型 的喷泉。 在办公楼旁边是尚未完工的制造设施。原计划於2024年开业,这些设施看起来像是巨型的 体育场。一旦完工,整个综合体将占地1,100英亩,相当於625个足球场的面积。 在二月的一个星期一的午餐时间,台湾和美国的工程师们穿梭在办公楼内外,身上带着证 件、安全帽和透明背包——这让工人们更容易、更快速地通过安全检查。 台积电起源於遥远的亚利桑那州乾旱的沙漠之外——位於台湾北部海岸。张忠谋是一位在 美国接受教育并在德州仪器公司工作了25年的晶片工程师,他於1987年创立这家公司。 当时,台湾政府邀请他创立这家公司,当时急於振兴该岛的经济。 在1980年代,英特尔和德州仪器等公司都设计并制造自己的晶片。台积电打算走一条不同 的道路。张忠谋的公司将专注於代工制造:客户将发送设计,公司的制造工厂(也称为「 晶圆厂」)的工程师们致力於完善生产方法,减少不合格晶片的数量,并降低成本。 这种模式被证明是成功的。“突然之间变得非常高效,”TechInsights的Hutcheson告诉 Rest of World说,“你可以学会成为一名水管工。但归根究柢,专注於自己能赚钱的工作 ,然後支付其他人来做(水管工作)是更有效的。” Meanwhile, chip manufacturing collapsed in the U.S. and Europe, and migrated to East Asia, drawn by government incentives. Hutcheson said the high costs of building new facilities prevented new companies from joining the competition and eventually solidified TSMC’s dominance. TSMC has since grown into a $660 billion giant that has allowed “fabless” chip designers such as Nvidia and Apple to flourish. The company is now able to cram more computing power into less space than almost any other chip manufacturer. Samsung and Intel are still trailing behind the Taiwanese company. TSMC is also considered Taiwan’s most important company, with Taiwanese people dubbing it a “divine mountain that guards the nation.” The world’s dependence on TSMC, locals reason, could even incentivize the West to defend Taiwan from a potential invasion from China. The loss of Taiwan and with it TSMC — the thinking goes — would result in a global tech meltdown. TSMC insiders told Rest of World the key to the company’s success is an intense, military-style work environment. Engineers work 12-hour days, and sometimes weekends too. Taiwanese commentators joke that the company runs on engineers with “slave mentalities” who “sell their livers” — local slang that underscores the intensity of the work. Up until the pandemic, it made sense for TSMC to concentrate its operations in Taiwan, where it enjoyed unwavering government support, low operating costs, and access to the island’s top talents. Outside a small plant in Washington and two plants in mainland China that made chips with older technologies, the company had little interest in international expansion. 与此同时,晶片制造在美国和欧洲崩溃,并迁移到东亚,受到政府激励的吸引。 建造新设施的高成本阻碍了新公司加入竞争,最终巩固了台积电的主导地位。 从那时起,台积电已发展成一家价值6600亿美元的巨头,使诸如Nvidia和苹果等「无厂」 晶片设计公司蓬勃发展。该公司现在能够在比几乎任何其他晶片制造商都少的空间内塞入 更多的计算能力。三星和英特尔仍然落後於这家台湾公司。 台积电也被认为是台湾最重要的公司,台湾人将其誉为「守护国家的神山」。当地人推断 ,世界对台积电的依赖甚至可能激励西方国家保卫台湾免受中国的潜在入侵。人们认为, 失去台湾以及随之而来的台积电将导致全球科技崩溃。 台积电内部人士告诉《Rest of World》,公司成功的关键在於一个强烈的、军事化风格 的工作环境。工程师每天工作12个小时,有时候甚至要工作周末。台湾评论家开玩笑说, 公司运营在「奴隶心态」的工程师上,他们「卖肝」—这是当地俚语,突显工作的强度。 直到疫情爆发之前,台积电专注於在台湾集中其业务是有道理的,因为它得到了政府的坚 定支持,营运成本低廉,可以接触到岛上的顶尖人才。除了华盛顿州的一家小工厂和中国 大陆的两家使用较老技术制造晶片的工厂外,该公司对国际扩张并不感兴趣。 "The world has changed." That changed in the late 2010s, as governments came to realize the geopolitical importance of the semiconductor industry and launched a race to attract chip manufacturing giants. Around 2019, the Trump administration started courting TSMC to build a larger and more advanced plant in the U.S. The pandemic further underscored supply-chain weak points. “The world has changed,” Sujai Shivakumar, director of the Renewing American Innovation Project at the think tank Center for Strategic and International Studies, told Rest of World. Depending on chips from a faraway country on China’s doorstep suddenly felt precarious. “What was purely — from an economics point of view — an efficient solution is no longer an efficient solution because of the geopolitics,” Shivakumar said. In May 2020, then U.S. Under-Secretary of State Keith Krach announced that TSMC had agreed to open a $12 billion facility in Arizona. The site would create thousands of jobs, spur cutting-edge research, and attract more companies on the semiconductor supply chain to move to the U.S. Chips coming out of the plant were expected to power smartphones, 5G base stations, and advanced F-35 fighter jets. “This means that chips critical to our lives and national security will once again be made in America,” Krach said. TSMC’s investment, Krach later told U.S. media, inspired policymakers to extend incentives to the entire chip industry. In the summer of 2022, the Biden administration passed the CHIPS Act, which designated $53 billion to developing the domestic semiconductor industry. Later that year, TSMC said it would build a second fab at the same site in Phoenix, increasing its total investment to $40 billion. Despite the commitment from both TSMC and Washington, issues related to exporting a Taiwanese-style work culture to the U.S. swirled from the outset. Morris Chang, who retired in 2018 but remains the public face of the company and the godfather of Taiwan’s semiconductor industry, cast doubts on the Phoenix initiative. 这一切在2010年代末发生了变化,因为各国政府开始意识到半导体行业的地缘政治重要性 ,并展开了吸引晶片制造业巨头的竞争。大约在2019年,川普政府开始拉拢台积电,在 美国建立一家更大、更先进的工厂。疫情进一步凸显了供应链的脆弱点。战略与国际研究 中心的《Renewing American Innovation Project》主任苏贾伊·希瓦库马尔告诉 《Rest of World》说:“世界已经改变了。”依赖远在中国门口的一个国家生产的晶片 感到很不稳定。“纯粹从经济角度来看,这是一个有效的解决方案,但由於地缘政治的 原因,它不再是一个有效的解决方案,”希瓦库马尔说。 2020年5月,当时的美国副国务卿基斯·克拉赫宣布,台积电已同意在亚利桑那州建立一 家价值120亿美元的工厂。该地点将创造成千上万个就业机会,推动尖端研究,并吸引更 多的半导体供应链公司迁至美国。这家工厂生产的晶片预计将用於智慧手机、5G基站和先 进的F-35战斗机。“这意味着对我们的生活和国家安全至关重要的晶片将再次在美国制造 ”克拉赫表示。 克拉赫後来告诉美国媒体,台积电的投资激励了政策制定者向整个晶片行业提供激励措施 。2022年夏季,拜登政府通过了CHIPS法案,将530亿美元指定用於发展国内半导体行业。 同年晚些时候,台积电表示将在凤凰城同一地点建造第二座晶圆厂,将其总投资增加到 400亿美元。 尽管台积电和华盛顿都做出了承诺,但从一开始就存在将台湾式工作文化输出到美国的问 题。张忠谋於2018年退休,但仍然是公司的公共面孔和台湾半导体行业的始祖,对凤凰城 计划表示怀疑。 When Nancy Pelosi visited Taiwan in 2022, Chang lectured the House speaker on the challenges the U.S. would face in mastering the microscopic precision required in chip production. Chang has since also warned against the lack of manufacturing talent in the U.S., and how hard it would be for Taiwanese managers to supervise Americans. Speaking to the Vying for Talent podcast in April 2022, Chang concluded that the U.S.’ attempt to onshore semiconductor manufacturing would be “a very expensive exercise in futility.” In 2021, as construction kicked off in Arizona, TSMC flew Bruce and about 600 American new hires to the southern Taiwanese coastal city of Tainan. There, they’d spend more than a year training at Fab 18, TSMC’s most advanced mass production plant. 当佩洛西在2022年访问台湾时,张忠谋对众议院议长讲解了美国在掌握晶片生产所需的 微观精确度方面面临的挑战。张忠谋还警告说,美国缺乏制造人才,而且台湾经理监督 美国人将会很困难。张忠谋在2022年4月接受《Vying for Talent》播客访谈时总结说, 美国试图在本土生产半导体将是“一场非常昂贵的徒劳行为。 Upon arriving at the facility, Bruce handed in his smartphone and passed through metal detectors. He was in awe of the semiconductor production line: Overhead rails carried wafers from one station to another while workers in white protective suits kept the machinery running. “It really just felt like I was touring some kind of living thing that was greater than humans; that was bigger than us,” Bruce recalled. But the challenges were immediately apparent, too. At Fab 18, nearly all communication took place in Taiwanese and Mandarin Chinese, the two most widely spoken languages in Taiwan. The Americans found it difficult to understand meetings, production guidelines, and chatter among local engineers. In theory, every American was supposed to have a Taiwanese buddy — a future Arizona worker who would help them navigate the workplace. But the Americans said their buddies were often too busy to help with translations, or else not familiar enough with the technical processes because they were freshly transferred from other production lines. Many trainees, including Bruce, relied on Google Translate to get through the day, with mixed results. Technical terms and images were hard to decipher. One American engineer said that because staff were not allowed to upload work materials to Google, he tried to translate documents by copying Chinese text into a handwriting recognition program. It didn’t work very well. One former American TSMC engineer who trained in Taiwan said his manager instructed him to follow along with daily handover meetings, which were conducted in Mandarin, just by looking at the associated PowerPoint presentations. “I was mind-blown at his expectations,” he told Rest of World . “I love challenges and pushing myself, but this was lunatic-level leadership.” 在2021年,随着亚利桑那州的建设开始,台积电将Bruce 和约600名美国新员工送到了台 湾南部沿海城市台南。在那里,他们将在台积电最先进的大规模生产厂Fab 18进行超过一 年的培训。 抵达该设施後,Bruce交出了智慧手机,通过了金属探测器。他对半导体生产线感到惊叹 :头顶的轨道将晶圆从一个工作站运送到另一个工作站,而穿着白色防护服的工人们保持 着机器运转。Bruce回忆道:“它真的感觉就像我在参观某种超越人类的生命体,比我们 更伟大。” 但挑战也立即显现出来。在Fab 18,几乎所有的沟通都是用台语和中文进行的,这是台湾 最广泛使用的两种语言。美国人发现很难理解会议、生产指南以及当地工程师之间的交谈 。理论上,每个美国人都应该有一个台湾夥伴,即一个未来在亚利桑那州工作的人,他 们将帮助他们在工作场所中导航。但美国人表示,他们的夥伴通常太忙,无法帮助翻译, 或者对技术流程不够熟悉,因为他们刚从其他生产线调职过来包括Bruce在内的许多培训生依靠Google翻译应付每一天的工作,效果参差不齐。技术术 语和图像很难解读。一位美国工程师说,由於工作人员不允许将工作材料上传到Google, 他试图通过将中文文本复制到手写识别程序中来翻译文件。这并不是很成功。 一位曾在台湾接受培训的美国台积电工程师表示,他的经理要求他只需查看相关的 PowerPoint演示文稿就可以参加每日的交接会议,这些会议都是用中文进行的。他告诉 《Rest of World》说:“我对他的期望感到震惊。” “我喜欢挑战和自我激励,但这真的是疯狂的领导方式。” TSMC’s work culture is notoriously rigorous, even by Taiwanese standards. Former executives have hailed the Confucian culture, which promotes diligence and respect for authority, as well as Taiwan’s strict work ethic as key to the company’s success. Chang, speaking last year about Taiwan’s competitiveness compared to the U.S., said that “if [a machine] breaks down at one in the morning, in the U.S. it will be fixed in the next morning. But in Taiwan, it will be fixed at 2 a.m.” And, he added, the wife of a Taiwanese engineer would “go back to sleep without saying another word.” During their visit, the Americans got a taste of the company’s intense work culture. To avoid intellectual property leaks, staff were banned from using personal devices inside the factory. Instead, they were given company phones, dubbed “T phones,” that couldn’t be connected to most messaging apps or social media. In one department, managers sometimes applied what they called “stress tests” by announcing assignments due the same day or week, to make sure the Americans were able to meet tight deadlines and sacrifice personal time like Taiwanese workers, two engineers told Rest of World. Managers shamed American workers in front of their peers, sometimes by suggesting they quit engineering, one employee said. TSMC made attempts to bridge some of the cultural differences. After the American trainees asked to contact families and to listen to music at work, TSMC loosened the firewall on T phones to allow all staff access to Instagram, YouTube, and Spotify. Some Taiwanese workers attended a class on U.S. culture , where they learned that Americans responded better to encouragement rather than criticism, according to an engineer who attended the session. But both American and Taiwanese engineers said that the training for new hires was largely insufficient. Managers excluded Americans from higher-level meetings conducted in Mandarin, according to one ex-TSMC engineer. Some of the Americans said that they rarely had a chance to handle problems themselves, and were mostly tasked with observing. “It’s like math in school,” Bruce said. “You can watch your teacher do 500 practice problems on the chalkboard, but if you don’t do some problems on your own, you are going to fail the test.” 台积电的工作文化以其严苛闻名,即使按照台湾的标准来看也是如此。前高管们赞扬儒家 文化,这种文化推崇勤奋和尊重权威,以及台湾严格的职业道德,这些都是公司成功的关 键所在。张先生去年谈到台湾与美国的竞争力时表示:“如果(机器)在凌晨一点坏了, 在美国,第二天早上就会修好但在台湾,这将在凌晨两点修好。”他还补充说,台湾工 程师的妻子“会一言不发回去睡觉”。 在访问期间,美国人深刻体验到了公司的强烈工作文化。为了避免知识产权外泄,工作人 员被禁止在工厂内使用个人设备。相反,他们被配发了公司手机,被称为“T phone”, 这些手机无法连接到大多数消息应用程序或社交媒体。根据两位工程师告诉《Rest of World》的说法,在某个部门,管理人员有时会宣布当天或当周要完成的任务,以确保美 国人能够满足紧迫的截止期限,并像台湾工人一样牺牲个人时间,他们称之为“压力测试 ”。一名员工表示,管理人员有时会在同行面前责怪美国工人,有时甚至建议他们辞去工 工作。 台积电曾试图弥合一些文化差异。在美国培训生要求与家人联系并在工作中听音乐後,台 积电放宽了T phone上的防火墙,允许所有员工访问Instagram、YouTube和Spotify。根据 一位参加过这个会议的工程师的说法,一些台湾工人参加了一个有关美国文化的课程,他 们在课程中了解到,美国人对鼓励的反应比批评更好。 但是美国和台湾工程师都表示,新员工的培训大多是不足的。一位前台积电工程师表示, 管理人员在中文进行的高级会议中排除了美国人。一些美国人表示,他们很少有机会自 己解决问题,大多数任务都是观察。Bruce说:“这就像在学校学数学一样。你可以看你 的老师在黑板上做500道练习题,但如果你自己不做一些题目,你就会考试不及格。” As training went on, tensions mounted. U.S. engineers told Rest of World that some Taiwanese male engineers had calendars with bikini models on their desks and occasionally shared sexual memes in group chats. A female American colleague, according to an American trainee who witnessed the conversation, asked a Taiwanese engineer to remove his computer wallpaper depicting a bikini model. One former American engineer said some local co-workers referred to him as a “white breeding pig,” implying he was only in Taiwan to sleep with local women. At a meeting, a manager said Americans were less desirable than Taiwanese and Indian workers, according to people who saw leaked notes, which circulated among trainees. “They really are trying to push this narrative that Americans are slower because of lower technical ability, but I really don’t believe that’s the truth,” an American engineer who recently left TSMC told Rest of World. “The Taiwanese create this false sense of urgency with every single task, and they really push ‘you need to finish everything immediately.’ But it’s just not realistic for people that want to have some normal work-life balance.” Several former American employees said they were not against working longer hours, but only if the tasks were meaningful. “I’d ask my manager ‘What’s your top priority,’ he’d always say ‘Everything is a priority,’” said another ex-TSMC engineer. “So, so, so, many times I would work overtime getting stuff done only to find out it wasn’t needed.” 随着培训的进行,紧张局势不断升级。美国工程师告诉《Rest of World》一些台湾男性 工程师的办公桌上有比基尼模特的日历,偶尔在群聊中分享性爱迷因。据一位见证了对话 的美国培训生表示,一位女性美国同事要求一名台湾工程师更换他电脑桌布,因为桌布上 是一位比基尼模特。一位前台积电工程师表示,一些当地同事称他为“白人种猪”,暗示 他来台湾只是为了与当地女性发生关系。据见过外泄笔记的人士透露,有一位经理在会议 上表示,美国人比台湾和印度工人不受欢迎。 一位最近离开台积电的美国工程师告诉《Rest of World》说:“他们真的在试图推动这 样一个观点,即美国人由於技术能力较低而更慢,但我真的不相信这是事实。”“台湾人 总是对每一个任务都创造一种虚假的紧迫感,他们真的强调‘你需要立即完成所有事情’ 。但对於那些想要一些正常工作与生活平衡的人来说,这并不现实。” 几位前美国员工表示,他们不反对加班,但前提是任务有意义。“我问我的经理‘你的首 要任务是什麽’,他总是说‘一切都是首要任务’,”另一位前台积电工程师说。“所以 ,很多时候我会加班做完事情,结果发现其实并不需要。” Training in Taiwan, which typically lasted one to two years, wasn’t all miserable, the Americans said. On the weekends, the trainees traveled across the island, marveling at the country’s highly efficient public transport network. Bruce spent his weekends hiking and frequenting nightclubs. He chatted with the families that run night-market food stalls, and entertained strangers who requested selfies with foreigners. Still, at least dozens of trainees quit before the end of training, according to the American employees. TSMC announced a recurring retention bonus in 2022. The remaining American workers began speculating that the company only hired them to secure CHIPS Act funding, Bruce said. But he stayed on: He wanted to see TSMC come to life in Arizona. In late 2022, the employees began migrating from humid southern Taiwan to the desert of northern Phoenix. The group included the Americans, as well as hundreds of Taiwanese employees who would help install tools, manage suppliers , and prepare the Arizona plant for mass production. For the Taiwanese, many of whom planned for extended stays in Phoenix, that meant relocating entire families — toddlers and dogs included — to a foreign country. Many regarded it as a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to explore the world, practice English, and send their children to American schools. Younger families planned pregnancies so they could give birth to American citizens. “ If we are going to have children, of course we will have them here,” a Taiwanese engineer told Rest of World. “As an American citizen, they will have more options than others.” To cover the high living costs, TSMC provided the Taiwanese workers with stipend for cars and housing. Some families moved into apartment complexes reserved for employees, dubbed “TSMC villages.” Local schools introduced Mandarin visual aids in classrooms for Taiwanese pupils. A Chinese Baptist church in Phoenix organized English-language classes, taught by earlier generations of Taiwanese immigrants, to help the newcomers settle in. 在台湾的培训,通常持续一到两年,并不全是令人悲惨的。美国培训生表示,在周末,他 们穿梭於岛屿各地,对该国高效的公共交通网络感到惊叹。Bruce在周末喜欢去远足和夜 店。他与经营夜市摊位的家庭聊天,并且乐於接受要求与外国人自拍的陌生人。 尽管如此,根据美国员工的说法,至少有几十名培训生在培训结束前就已经离职。台积电 於2022年宣布了一项固定的留职奖金。Bruce表示,其余的美国员工开始猜测公司仅仅是 为了确保《CHIPS法案》的资金才聘请了他们。但他坚持留下来:他想要看到台积电在亚 利桑那州开始运作。 到了2022年底,员工们从潮湿的台湾南部迁移到了乾旱的凤凰城北部沙漠地区。这个团队 包括了美国人,以及数百名台湾员工,他们将协助安装设备、管理供应商,并为亚利桑那 工厂的大规模生产做准备。 对於许多计划在凤凰城长期居住的台湾人来说,这意味着将整个家庭——包括幼儿和狗— —搬到一个外国国家。许多人将其视为探索世界、练习英语并将子女送入美国学校的一次 千载难逢的机会。年轻的家庭计划在这里生孩子,这样他们就可以生下美国公民。“如果 我们要生孩子,当然会在这里生,”一位台湾工程师告诉《Rest of World》。“作为美 国公民,他们将拥有比其他人更多的选择。” 为了应对高昂的生活成本,台积电为台湾员工提供了汽车和住房的津贴。一些家庭搬进了 为员工保留的公寓大楼,被称为“台积村”。当地学校在课堂上引入了中文视觉辅助工具 ,以帮助台湾学生。凤凰城的一间华人浸信会教会组织了英语课程,由先前的一代台湾移 民教授,以帮助新来者安顿下来。 Many experienced a culture shock. The bustling cities of Taiwan are densely packed and offer extensive public transport, ubiquitous street food, and 24- hour convenience stores every few blocks. In northern Phoenix, everyday life is impossible without a car, and East Asian faces are scarce. “Everything is so big in America,” said one engineer, recalling his first impression. He recounted his wife summarizing her impression of the U.S.: “Great mountains, great rivers, and great boredom.” The Taiwanese engineers brought with them the intense TSMC work culture. Having spent years under the company’s grueling management, they were used to long days, out-of-hours calls, and harsh treatment from their managers. In Taiwan, the pay and prestige were worth it, they told Rest of World — despite the challenges, many felt proud working for the island’s most prominent firm . It was the best job they could hope for. But the American workers didn’t have the same sense of loyalty. In the U.S., engineers had a plethora of job options that provided competitive pay and abundant personal time. The Taiwanese workers described their Phoenix colleagues as arrogant, carefree, and more willing to challenge orders. “It’ s hard to get them to do things,” a Taiwanese engineer in Phoenix told Rest of World. Bruce said that working conditions didn’t improve for the Americans once they relocated to Arizona. The American workers did not get more say in how the company was run, and they found the obsequiousness of their Taiwanese colleagues irritating. TSMC workers were asked to draw up reports and keep other documents in a PowerPoint format so that they could regularly make presentations to upper management. The Taiwanese employees were used to it, while the Americans became impatient with typing up weekly work reports. The Americans also resented that Taiwanese colleagues stayed late at the office for no good reason. “That pisses me off,” Bruce said. “They were just doing it for show.” 许多人经历了文化冲击。台湾繁华的城市密集拥挤,提供广泛的公共交通、无处不在的街 头小吃和每几个街区就有24小时便利店。在凤凰城北部,如果没有汽车,日常生活是不可 能的,东亚人面孔也很少见到。“在美国,一切都是如此巨大,”一位工程师回忆起他的 第一印象时说。他讲述了他妻子对美国的印象的总结:“伟大的山脉,伟大的河流,和极 大的无聊。” 台湾工程师带来了激烈的台积电工作文化。在公司的严格管理下度过了多年,他们已经习 惯了长时间的工作、非工作时间的电话以及来自主管的严厉对待。他们告诉《Rest of World》,在台湾,薪水和声望是值得的——尽管面临着挑战,许多人为能在该岛上最知 名的公司工作感到自豪。这是他们所能期望的最好的工作。 但美国员工并没有同样的忠诚感。在美国,工程师有很多提供竞争性薪水和丰富个人时间 的工作选择。台湾工人描述了他们在凤凰城的同事为傲慢、无忧无虑,更愿意挑战命令。 “让他们做事很难,”一位在凤凰城的台湾工程师告诉《Rest of World》。 Bruce说,一旦美国工人搬到亚利桑那州後,工作条件并没有改善。美国工人并没有更多 发言权来参与公司的管理,他们发现台湾同事的阿谀奉承令人不快。台积电员工被要求起 草报告,并将其他文件以PowerPoint格式保存,以便他们定期向高级管理层进行演示。台 湾员工已经习惯了这一点,而美国人则对每周填写工作报告感到不耐烦。美国人还对台湾 同事无故加班感到不满。“这让我很恼火,”Bruce说。“他们只是为了表现而已。” Five former employees from the U.S. told Rest of World that TSMC engineers sometimes falsified or cherry-picked data for customers and managers. Sometimes, the engineers said, staff would manipulate data from testing tools or wafers to please managers who had seemingly impossible expectations. Other times, one engineer said, “because the workers were spread so thin, anything they could do to get work off their plate they would do.” Four American employees described TSMC culture as “save face”: Workers would strive to make a team, a department, or the company look good at the expense of efficiency and employee wellbeing. In mid-2023, TSMC announced delays in the construction of its first facility in Arizona, dubbed Fab 21 — production at the facility would start in 2025 instead of 2024 as planned. TSMC blamed a shortage of skilled workers. Construction unions, however, complained of safety hazards and questioned if TSMC was using this as an excuse to bring in cheap labor from Taiwan. Engineers who were supposed to run production lines were reassigned to work remotely for Fab 18 back in Tainan, and asked to join late-night meetings. Some Americans and Taiwanese engineers were reassigned to help speed up the building of the facility, and asked to oversee construction workers. Clad in their clean-room suits and hard hats, engineers would sometimes collect trash at the unfinished sites. One ex-employee recalled colleagues collecting bottles of urine left by construction crews. 五名来自美国的前员工告诉《Rest of World》,台积电工程师有时会为客户和管理人员 伪造或挑选数据。工程师们说,有时,工作人员会操纵测试工具或晶圆的数据,以取悦那 些似乎不切实际的期望的经理。其他时候,一位工程师说,“因为工人们分工太细,他们 会做任何能减轻工作负担的事情。”四名美国员工将台积电的文化描述为“挽回面子”: 工人们会努力让团队、部门或公司看起来不错,却牺牲了效率和员工福祉。 2023 年中期,台积电宣布了位於亚利桑那州的首个设施 Fab 21 的建设延宕,该设施的 生产将从原定的 2024 年推迟到 2025 年开始。台积电指责技术工人短缺。然而,建筑工 会抱怨存在安全隐患,质疑台积电是否在以此作为藉口引进来自台湾的廉价劳动力。 原本应该负责生产线的工程师被重新分配到台南的 Fab 18 远程工作,并被要求参加深夜 会议。一些美国和台湾工程师被重新分配以加快设施的建设速度,并被要求监督建筑工人 。身穿清洁室服和安全帽的工程师有时会在未完成的工地收集垃圾。一位前员工回忆起同 事们收集建筑工作人员留下的尿液瓶子的情景。 Just like in Taiwan, language barriers contributed to tension in Phoenix. Bruce said his department manager, who had come from Taiwan, spoke poor English. So instead of communicating with Bruce directly, he’d channel feedback or instructions through a Taiwanese colleague. One U.S. engineer said managers trusted Taiwanese workers with important tasks, starving the Americans of hands-on experience. One ex-employee later joked that the biggest skill he learned at TSMC was making PowerPoint slides. Disgruntled Americans flocked to post complaints to workplace review website Glassdoor, reporting long hours, high stress, unrealistic deadlines, and “ Asian culture.” TSMC currently has a rating of 3.2 out of 5 stars on the site . American chipmakers Intel and Texas Instruments, by comparison, have a 4.1 rating. The poor Glassdoor rating made it more difficult for TSMC to hire experienced American workers, a former TSMC manager told Rest of World. Another former employee said he convinced six engineer friends to turn down offers from TSMC. The company made further attempts to adapt to American work culture. In early 2023, TSMC held weekly English-language and cultural classes for Taiwanese managers. A former TSMC staffer who worked on the education program said managers were instructed not to yell at employees in public, or threaten to fire them without consulting human resources. “They would say, ‘Okay, okay, I get it. I’m not going to do that,’” the employee recalled to Rest of World. “But I think in the heat of the moment, they forgot, and they did do it.” 就像在台湾一样,语言障碍也加剧了凤凰城的紧张氛围。Bruce 表示,他们部门的经理来 自台湾,英文不好。因此,他不是直接与Bruce 沟通,而是通过一位台湾同事传达反馈或 指示。一位美国工程师表示,经理信任台湾工人执行重要任务,使美国人无法获得实践经 验。一位前员工後来开玩笑说,他在台积电学到的最重要的技能是制作 PowerPoint不满的美国员工纷纷在工作评论网站 Glassdoor 上发帖投诉,报告长时间工作、高压、 不切实际的截止日期和“亚洲文化”。目前,台积电在该网站上的评分为 3.2(满分 5) 。相比之下,美国晶片制造商英特尔和德州仪器的评分为 4.1。一位前台积电经理告诉 《Rest of World》,这种差评使得台积电更难以聘请经验丰富的美国工人。 另一位前员工表示,他说服了六位工程师朋友拒绝了台积电的工作邀请。 公司进一步试图适应美国的工作文化。 2023 年初,台积电为台湾经理举办了每周一次的 英语和文化课程。一位曾参与该教育计划的前台积电职员表示,经理们被告知不要在公共 场合大声呼喊员工,也不要在没有谘询人力资源部门的情况下威胁解雇他们。“他们会说 ,‘好的,好的,我知道了。我不会这样做的,’”这名员工对《Rest of World》回忆 道。“但我认为在一时激动下,他们忘记了,他们确实这样做了。” Taiwanese managers were reminded not to ask employees why they were taking sick leave, or ask female job applicants about their plans to have children — an illegal yet common question in Taiwan. An ex-TSMC engineer said the company once sent an email reminding staff that the commonly used Mandarin term “nei ge” — which means “that” — could sound like the N-word. In December 2023, following months of negotiations, TSMC made a deal with Arizona construction labor unions, agreeing to develop a workforce training program, maintain transparency on site safety, and focus on hiring locally. Meanwhile, some American engineers started seeking out opportunities at companies with less strenuous expectations and better career prospects. Workers started joking that joining TSMC was a stepping stone to Intel, which was also expanding in Arizona at the time. An engineer, who has worked at both Intel and TSMC, said Taiwanese colleagues had also asked him about vacancies at Intel, where they expected a better work-and-life balance. Several American former employees said they felt relief after quitting. In group chats, engineers celebrated the departure of their friends. “TSMC was the worst possible place to work on Earth,” one American ex-TSMC engineer told Rest of World. Another, who recently left the company, described TSMC as having “a purely authoritarian work structure.” 台湾经理们被提醒不要询问员工为什麽请病假,或者问女性求职者有关生育计划的问题 — 在台湾这是一个非法但普遍存在的问题。一位前台积电工程师表示,该公司曾发送电 子邮件提醒员工,普遍使用的中文词语“那个”可能听起来像是 N 字词。 在经过数月的谈判後,2023 年 12 月,台积电与亚利桑那州建筑劳工工会达成协议,同 意制定工作人员培训计划,保持工地安全的透明度,并专注於本地招聘。 与此同时,一些美国工程师开始寻找在期望较轻松的工作要求和更好的职业前景的公司的 机会。工人们开始开玩笑说,加入台积电是进入英特尔的一个跳板,当时英特尔也在亚利 桑那州扩建。一位在英特尔和台积电都工作过的工程师表示,台湾同事也问及他在英特尔 的职位空缺,他们期望在那里有更好的工作和生活平衡几位美国前员工表示,辞职後感到宽慰。在群聊中,工程师们庆祝了朋友的离开。“在地 球上工作最糟糕的地方就是台积电了”一位美国前台积电工程师告诉《Rest of World》 。另一位最近离职的工程师将台积电描述为具有“纯粹的专制结构”。 Bruce resigned in 2023. He is still friends with his Taiwanese former colleagues, and kept his TSMC badge, water bottle, and TSMC T-shirt as mementos. He said he felt triumphant walking out. The American workers had voiced their concerns in meetings with management, but he didn’t see changes happening. “All of us gave them every chance to listen, but they never did,” he told Rest of World. Three years after construction began, the first planned Phoenix plant is still incomplete. During an earnings call in April, TSMC chief executive C.C. Wei said the facility had entered “engineering wafer production,” meaning it’s making prototype wafers to prepare for commercial operation next year. In January, TSMC announced further delays at its second facility, too. Originally set to begin operations in 2026, it won’t open until 2027 or 2028. Chang-Tai Hsieh, an economics professor at the University of Chicago, told Rest of World that TSMC had found the U.S. a challenging environment to operate in because of the complicated regulatory process, strong construction unions, and a workforce less used to the long hours that are commonplace at TSMC in Taiwan. “TSMC’s profits from their U.S. fabs will be lower, unless their clients are willing to pay more to source from the U.S. fabs,” Hsieh said. “The only thing they need Phoenix for is to make sure that the U.S. government doesn’t turn against them.” In 2023, TSMC made more than 65% of its revenue from customers in the U.S. In the April earnings call, chief executive Wei said customers needed to share the high costs of producing outside Taiwan. Bruce在 2023 年辞职。他仍然和台湾的前同事保持着友谊保留了他的台积电工作证、 水壶和台积电 T 恤作为纪念品。他说,走出公司时感到很得意。美国工人在与管理层的 会议中表达了他们的担忧,但他没有看到任何变化的发生。“我们所有人都给了他们倾听 的机会,但他们从来没有,”他告诉《Rest of World》。 建设开始三年後,首座计划中的凤凰城工厂仍然尚未完工。在 4 月的一次电话会议上, 台积电执行长魏哲家表示,该工厂已进入“工程晶圆生产”阶段,这意味着正在制造 原型晶圆,以准备明年投入商业运营。今年 1 月,台积电宣布第二工厂的进一步延迟。 原计划於 2026 年开始运营,但直到 2027 年或 2028 年才会开放。 芝加哥大学的经济学教授谢常泰告诉《Rest of World》,台积电发现美国是一个具有挑 战性的经营环境,原因是复杂的监管程序、强大的建筑工会,以及一个对长时间工作不太 习惯的劳动力,这在台湾的台积电是司空见惯的。“除非客户愿意支付更高的价格从美国 的工厂购买,否则台积电从美国工厂获得的利润将较低,”谢说。“他们需要凤凰城的唯 一目的就是确保美国政府不会对他们不利。” 2023 年,台积电超过 65% 的收入来自美 国的客户。魏执行长在 4 月的盈利电话会议上表示,客户需要承担在台湾以外生产的高 成本。 That same month, following years of negotiations, the U.S. government announced plans to award TSMC $6.6 billion in grants and about $5 billion in loans, with TSMC agreeing to construct a third factory on its Phoenix site that will start operating by the end of the decade. (Meanwhile, Intel was awarded $8.5 billion in grants in March, and Samsung was provided $6.4 billion in direct funding in April.) Despite the flood of investments, the U.S. has a long way to go before chip self-reliance, experts told Rest of World. TSMC Arizona’s first two facilities are expected to make 600,000 wafers a year — a fraction of the company’s current annual capacity of 16 million wafers. Many of the chips made in the U.S. still need to be shipped back to Asia for assembly, testing, and packaging. Chip packaging company Amkor, which has most of its factories in Asia, will build a plant in Arizona to package Apple chips made at TSMC. The U.S. needs to offer timely, consistent support to companies like TSMC in order to create the kind of chip ecosystem that took Taiwan three decades to build, according to Jason Hsu, a former legislator in Taiwan and now a research fellow at Harvard Kennedy School with a focus on semiconductors and geopolitics. It would be easier to leave the job to its Asian allies. “You don’t need to raise a cow to have the milk,” Hsu said. “You just have to make sure that the milk can be delivered to your doorstep.” 同一个月,在多年的谈判之後,美国政府宣布计划向台积电提供约 66 亿美元的补助和约 50 亿美元的贷款,台积电同意在凤凰城的工厂基地建造第三个工厂,该工厂将在本十年 末开始运营。(与此同时,英特尔於三月获得了 85 亿美元的补助,三星则於四月获得了 64 亿美元的直接资金。) 尽管投资大幅增加,但专家告诉《Rest of World》,美国在芯片自给自足方面还有很长 的路要走。台积电亚利桑那州的前两个工厂预计每年生产 60 万片晶圆,仅占公司目前年 产 1600 万片晶圆的一小部分。美国生产的许多晶片仍然需要运送回亚洲进行组装、测试 和封装。晶片封装公司Amkor因位於亚洲的大多数工厂将在亚利桑那州建造一个工厂,将在 该工厂封装在台积电生产的苹果晶片。 哈佛大学肯尼迪学院研究员、台湾前立法者Jason Hsu表示,美国需及时、持续地支持像 台积电这样的公司,以建立起台湾用了三十年时间才建立的晶片生态系统。将这项工作交 给其亚洲盟友将更容易。“你不需要养牛才能得到牛奶,”许说。“你只需要确保牛奶可 以送到你家门口。” On February 24, 2024, TSMC inaugurated its newest factory, located in Kumamoto , Japan, where construction had begun about a year later than in Arizona. At the ribbon-cutting ceremony, guests were served Taiwan’s signature pineapple cakes and greeted by the beloved bear mascot Kumamon. Thanks to strong government support, local partnerships, and a low-cost labor force that worked 24/7, the factory had been completed at dazzling speed. “We committed to getting it ready in two years because that’s what TSMC asked us,” Kumamoto Governor Ikuo Kabashima told Bloomberg. Chang hailed the factory as the start of “a renaissance of semiconductor manufacturing” in Japan. Although the factory in Japan will make less-advanced chips than the American one, the news out of Kumamoto prompted feelings of envy in Phoenix. There, engineers felt that they were falling even further behind. The same weekend as the opening of the Japanese plant, Taiwanese engineers discussed the struggle of working with Americans at a gathering in Phoenix. “ The Japan factory opened first. I’m very frustrated,” a Taiwanese engineer said. 在2024年2月24日,台积电在日本熊本县正式启用了位於熊本市的最新工厂,该工厂的建 设比亚利桑那州的工厂晚了大约一年左右开始。 在剪彩仪式上,来宾们享用了台湾标志性的凤梨酥,并受到了深受喜爱的熊本吉祥物熊本 熊的欢迎。由於政府的大力支持、当地的合作夥伴关系,以及一支全天候工作的低成本劳 动力,该工厂以令人惊叹的速度完成。 熊本县知事蒲岛郁夫告诉彭博社:“我们承诺在两年内准备好,因为这是台积电要求的。 ” 张忠谋将这家工厂称为日本半导体制造业“复兴”的开端。 尽管日本工厂生产的晶片比美国的工厂落後,但熊本的消息引起了凤凰城的嫉妒情绪。在 那里,工程师们感到自己正在进一步落後。 就在日本工厂开幕的同一周末,台湾工程师在凤凰城的一次聚会上讨论了与美国人合作的 困难。“日本工厂首先开幕了。我感到非常沮丧,”一位台湾工程师说。 Sitting in a room together, the engineers admitted that although they had made some progress in acclimating to life in the U.S., TSMC had yet to find a balance between the two work cultures. Some Taiwanese workers complained that management was being too accommodating in giving Americans less work, paying them high salaries, and letting them get off work early. Another engineer said the company babied Americans. “If local hires are not ready, this is our opportunity to apply for a green card,” he joked. Another engineer said he sometimes shared the Americans’ frustration with the hierarchy, discipline, and long hours. But these things, he believed, had enabled TSMC to surpass its competitors to become the chip leader. “Everything comes from working hard. Without this culture, TSMC cannot be number one in the world,” he said with passion. “I want to support TSMC to be great. It’s my religion.” 坐在一起的工程师们坦承,尽管他们在适应美国生活方面已经取得了一些进展,但台积电 尚未找到两种工作文化之间的平衡。一些台湾工人抱怨管理层过於迎合美国人,给他们减 少工作量,支付高薪水,让他们提早下班。 另位工程师说公司娇惯了美国人。“如果当地雇佣不够合格,这是我们申请绿卡的机会” 他开玩笑说。 另一位工程师说他有时会和美国人一样对阶级制度、纪律和长时间工作感到沮丧。但他相 信,这些事情使得台积电能够超越竞争对手成为晶片行业的领导者“一切都来自於努力工作。没有这种文化,台积电就无法成为世界第一,”他充满激情地 说道。“我想支持台积电变得更伟大。这是我的信仰。” Source:https://reurl.cc/QR6eMo -- 若有需要修正的地方再告知,感谢。 --
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1F:→ baka1412 : 大惊小怪 04/24 23:04
2F:→ baka1412 : https://i.imgur.com/PCZDaVj.png 04/24 23:04
3F:推 cchh179 : 你不干有的是帕鲁干 04/24 23:04
4F:→ cuteSquirrel: 河河: 美国人不够勤奋 04/24 23:04
5F:推 w60904max : 台积电强大的秘密被发现了 tsm跌烂 04/24 23:06
6F:推 Transposon : 进口轮班星人解决一切 04/24 23:06
7F:推 laptic : 请补充来源网址;另外如果是新闻网站来源,请用编译 04/24 23:08
8F:→ laptic : 分类,谢谢 04/24 23:08
网址已补,分类容我确认一下 看了板规 1-10-1 ,确认已有中文媒体取片段报导 故我先维持原分类,若板主认为须改编译再告知。
9F:推 islandant : 鸟不生蛋又缺水缺电的沙漠地区 04/24 23:08
10F:→ islandant : 配上好吃懒做的美国人 04/24 23:08
11F:→ islandant : 美积电是政治考量而不是商业考量… 04/24 23:08
12F:→ wake7078 : End 04/24 23:09
13F:推 autoexecbat : 结论:台积的秘密就是肝 04/24 23:10
14F:推 jack0216 : 还要扩厂 真他妈笑死 最大利空=美国人好吃懒做 04/24 23:11
15F:推 newyee : 结论:老外不跟你卖肝这套 04/24 23:11
16F:推 lolic : 黄皮肤去美国徵用白皮肤奴隶 祖先知道都笑了 04/24 23:13
17F:推 wcs516 : 至少没地震吧 04/24 23:14
18F:嘘 GX90160SS : xd 有够真实 04/24 23:14
19F:推 TCPai : 早上tech版有看到这篇 04/24 23:15
20F:推 ppav0v0v : 不奴 哪来的台积电 04/24 23:16
21F:推 shinyi444 : 主力杀G剧本开演 台湾黑手加油>_< 04/24 23:16
22F:推 payneblue : 美国白人高阶人才喜欢WLB 台积电倒不如吸收那些 墨 04/24 23:16
23F:→ payneblue : 西哥 或其他国家的高阶移民比较实在 04/24 23:16
24F:嘘 CTTSAI : 1865年北美铁路华工 然後还有排华法案 202x年 晶片 04/24 23:16
25F:→ CTTSAI : 法案 又是打压 不要笑死人 用钱来买肝买晶片 04/24 23:16
26F:→ mared : 美积电是为了满足政治需求的 04/24 23:17
27F:推 herculus6502: 现在做空要联合外媒了 真是愈来愈精彩 04/24 23:18
28F:推 nakayamayyt : 张董早就讲过台GG成功的关键 美国人都没在听 04/24 23:18
29F:嘘 jatj : TL;DR 04/24 23:18
30F:推 aegis43210 : 其实轮班星人正在凋零,在转型正义之後,儒家文化也 04/24 23:20
31F:→ aegis43210 : 正在消散,GG必须体悟到要去适应未来没有轮班星人的 04/24 23:20
32F:→ aegis43210 : 未来 04/24 23:20
33F:推 revorea : 好了啦,大家都知道美积电的国际政治目的,真有人 04/24 23:20
34F:→ revorea : 期待产能? 04/24 23:20
35F:推 IQIQ200 : 阿白人就不想当奴阿XD 04/24 23:21
36F:→ aegis43210 : 你现在笑三星和i皇的员工没CP值,2027年之後就没办 04/24 23:22
37F:→ aegis43210 : 法笑了,大家招聘到的都会差不多 04/24 23:22
38F:推 payneblue : AI工程师是未来 不会抱怨 24hr 04/24 23:23
39F:推 imba789 : 奴性及新鲜的肝成就台积电 04/24 23:23
40F:推 chanel1259 : 想改变世界从切披萨开始 04/24 23:25
41F:推 c00jsw00 : 美国人不卖肝。 哈哈 04/24 23:26
42F:推 jinx5566 : 该公司曾发送电子邮件提醒员工,普遍使用的中文词语 04/24 23:26
43F:→ jinx5566 : “那个”可能听起来像是 N 字词。 听起来确实满像XD 04/24 23:26
44F:推 Taohsinchun : 在美国一样,越烂越喷? 04/24 23:27
45F:推 newyee : 老外:当我黑奴? 呸~ 04/24 23:28
46F:推 jinx5566 : 西门子来台湾搞风电的老外很多都会讲中文,美国人也 04/24 23:29
47F:→ jinx5566 : 该学学中文了 04/24 23:30
48F:→ DM56 : 美国草莓 04/24 23:31
49F:推 bj45566 : 那些说在台积电最大的收获是学 PowerPoint 的美国工 04/24 23:31
50F:→ bj45566 : 程师跳槽到 Intel 後不知道会有什麽感受 XDDD 04/24 23:31
51F:嘘 fbiciamib123: 字太多 end 04/24 23:33
52F:嘘 boards : 台湾人都这样要求台电员工,没什麽 04/24 23:34
53F:→ laptic : 了解 04/24 23:35
54F:推 ptta : Welcome to the rock! 04/24 23:36
55F:推 P1986625 : 谢谢分享 04/24 23:37
56F:推 Ghamu : 希望GG能多学学美国聪明工作 04/24 23:37
57F:推 id41030 : 很真实呀,带着老婆一起去的差不多都在生小孩,很 04/24 23:37
58F:→ id41030 : 以台积电为傲呢!整天IG上炫耀 04/24 23:37
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59F:推 bj45566 : 孩子生下来就是美国人本来就值得引以为傲啊 04/24 23:42
60F:→ bj45566 : 现在美国要办移民越来越困难了 04/24 23:43
61F:推 jubii : 嘲笑台积电奴的,殊不知正是这种文化,黄种人正在侵 04/24 23:46
62F:→ jubii : 吞世界 04/24 23:46
63F:推 fernmmm : 美国的亚洲移民也挺奴的 说不定移民员工=正解? 04/24 23:46
64F:推 clairehao : 因为缺的是聪明会思考的奴工 至少薪资给的高 04/24 23:46
65F:→ jubii : 美国没有这种愿意加班的移民 早就垮了 04/24 23:47
66F:→ Araiman : 白皮还是太安逸了 04/24 23:50
67F:推 Roarwolf : 全部看完觉得心情很复杂 04/24 23:51
68F:推 a10141013 : 看来还是得收华人员工 04/24 23:51
69F:推 ichiroyap : 野鸡报导,敢质疑窝大轮班星人 04/24 23:54
70F:推 yurie53 : 工程师如果可以全台班拿绿卡哪会有什麽困境 04/24 23:56
71F:推 huwei200035 : 竞争就是这麽残酷 04/24 23:58
72F:推 f204137 : 奉献精神和服从精神是该公司取得全球领先成功的基础 04/24 23:58
73F:推 reyes2222 : 感觉就是美国人真实的反应 04/25 00:01
74F:推 A1pha : 感谢翻译 04/25 00:01
75F:推 goodevening : 看美国人这样就知道intel晶圆制造不可能追上台积电 04/25 00:02
76F:→ goodevening : 了 04/25 00:02
77F:推 kinki999 : 看来只有华人够奴 04/25 00:03
78F:推 csgowen : 太真实了 04/25 00:03
79F:推 ricky60324 : 不就平常过太爽…. 欧美国家爽多久了 继续吹轻松工 04/25 00:03
80F:→ ricky60324 : 作高薪 全球化大家一起卷起来 04/25 00:03
81F:推 cindycincia : 以晶圆制造来说 正常美国人根本不适合来做 04/25 00:04
82F:→ RTX3080TI : 从az gg跳去intel薪水更高 04/25 00:06
83F:推 kokojin85 : 十 04/25 00:06
84F:推 panda816 : 好惨喔 在美国不能随便讲“那个” 04/25 00:09
85F:推 twic : 过太爽 04/25 00:29
86F:推 qk3380888 : 血芯片 04/25 00:32
87F:推 BruceLuo : https://i.imgur.com/tod01AU.jpeg 04/25 00:40
88F:推 dbdudsorj : 翻译:不够奴 04/25 00:44
89F:推 willion003 : 翻译:奴 04/25 00:46
90F:推 neverlight : 不然晶片良率怎麽来的? 04/25 00:47
91F:→ neverlight : 英特尔美国亲儿子,不用做太好有补助拿就够了 04/25 00:48
92F:推 neo5277 : 不意外 04/25 00:49
93F:→ iio : 白皮小儿怎麽可能愿意在血汗工厂工作 04/25 00:49
94F:推 wardraw : "那个" 讲"na ge" 而非"nei ge" 比较避讳 04/25 00:57
95F:推 stocktonty : 不这样亲身体验 美国人怎麽知难而退 04/25 01:13
96F:推 oyaji5566 : 失智老人看家里养的狗越吃越壮以为狗食有什麽秘方 04/25 01:24
97F:→ oyaji5566 : ,抢来吃才发现干真他妈难吃 04/25 01:24
98F:→ takase : 那个什麽伟大的山脉应该是 "好山好水好无聊" 04/25 01:33
99F:→ materu : 反正就是拿来当台湾打仗後的备案而已 04/25 01:36
100F:→ takase : GG短期看来美国厂没办法磨合,我看到最後会缩小规模 04/25 01:40
101F:→ Taiwanwolf : 反正以後收容逃难的GGer就不需要美国工人了 04/25 01:44
102F:→ takase : "工作人员会操纵测试工具或晶圆的数据"这倒是隐忧 04/25 01:47
103F:推 swgun : 美国少爷兵跟半导体工程师那一个比较草莓 04/25 01:47
104F:→ takase : 日本也才发生过好几例数据造假的事情 04/25 01:48
105F:推 riahserf : 看完发现Bruce有够哭 XD 04/25 01:50
106F:→ aloness : 蛮贴切的啊 XD 04/25 01:51
107F:推 sid3 : 某种超越人类的生命体 04/25 01:54
108F:推 qscgg : 依然台积电会因为去美国而陨落... 04/25 02:08
109F:→ qscgg : 美国厂开始运作的那天,毛利净利不知道要跌多少 04/25 02:10
110F:推 s213092921 : 美国的脑袋很智障,还以为抢走台积电就能生产了 04/25 02:11
111F:推 s213092921 : 他们的脑袋,只是直线型的:美国没芯片行业,那就想 04/25 02:14
112F:→ s213092921 : 办法去抢一批过来就有了;美国造船业不行,那就去抢 04/25 02:14
113F:→ s213092921 : 他们的造船厂过来就有了 04/25 02:14
114F:推 afflic : 某方面来说 04/25 02:14
115F:→ afflic : 还真的只有台湾人才能造出这种等级的晶片…… 04/25 02:14
116F:→ afflic : 全世界应该找不到第二个台积电了 04/25 02:15
117F:→ zero7810 : 日本啊 日本把台积电强抢变自己的日积电聚落 机率超 04/25 02:17
118F:→ zero7810 : 高 04/25 02:17
119F:→ zero7810 : 台湾政府还在那边台日友好 那天日本政府就跟美国一 04/25 02:19
120F:→ zero7810 : 起联手搞台积电分拆 逼你硬吞 到时候台湾IC设计公司 04/25 02:19
121F:→ zero7810 : 跟设备厂通通要被迫移植到日本去发展 04/25 02:19
122F:推 afflic : 日本人会不会那麽奴还不知道呢 04/25 02:19
123F:→ afflic : 前面不是也有新闻 日本人下班时间到了就走人了 04/25 02:20
124F:→ zero7810 : 美国厂就是政治型态不得不做个样子 日本那边才是真 04/25 02:20
125F:→ zero7810 : 正有威胁的 04/25 02:20
126F:→ zero7810 : 日本人以前就很奴 过劳死常见 在日本很容易做起来 04/25 02:22
127F:→ zero7810 : 日本只是还没走到跟台湾这边翻脸而已 现在笑脸迎人 04/25 02:24
128F:→ zero7810 : 时机一到什麽法令政策都亮剑逼台湾这边配合 台积电 04/25 02:24
129F:→ zero7810 : 也只能吞 搞不好还觉得很香 但失去机会的就是台湾这 04/25 02:24
130F:→ zero7810 : 边的实际经济体系跟国家税收 04/25 02:24
131F:推 b0920075 : 日本人年轻人都跟你说现在不吃以前那套了 04/25 02:25
132F:→ zero7810 : 收编台湾这边皇民也可以啊 大开国门 搞不好过几年变 04/25 02:28
133F:→ zero7810 : 成有日本籍是潮流 04/25 02:28
134F:推 mangle : 这篇丑化描述台积电满严重的,满有美国媒体带风向 04/25 02:34
135F:→ mangle : 的夸大风格,虽然这平常是用在中国,但用在描述台 04/25 02:34
136F:→ mangle : 积电..嗯…虽然确实很奴…但里面内容一堆「想乱讲 04/25 02:34
137F:→ mangle : 什麽就说什麽」 04/25 02:34
138F:→ mangle : 「该公司曾发送电 子邮件提醒员工,普遍使用的中文 04/25 02:35
139F:→ mangle : 词语“那个”可能听起来像是 N 字词」 04/25 02:35
140F:推 afflic : 哪里丑化? 去看看科技板都说真实 04/25 02:36
141F:推 littlejackbr: intel最棒,都不会加班,梦想的公司 04/25 02:44
142F:推 adifference : 我不信张忠谋以前也都轮班当帕鲁 04/25 02:45
143F:推 aftermathx : 那个 04/25 03:04
144F:→ aloness : 绝对不夸大,而且只是冰山一角,科技业的产线文化 04/25 03:05
145F:→ aloness : 大多如此,有压力时半夜一小时当一次也是还好 04/25 03:05
146F:推 RaiGend0519 : 以美国人的工作文化角度来看,内容挺正常的 04/25 03:15
147F:推 afflic : 台湾人真的奴惯了 04/25 03:16
148F:推 rmp4rmp4bear: 这篇出来的时机484意欲压低股价 04/25 03:17
149F:→ RaiGend0519 : 如果在台湾你能相对没那麽难的找到美式文化、正常工 04/25 03:18
150F:→ RaiGend0519 : 时、薪资相当或更高的资电工程师类工作 04/25 03:19
151F:推 j5a5m0e4s : 动物农庄 一群台湾奴指责美国人为何不跟着奴 呵呵 04/25 03:19
152F:→ RaiGend0519 : 并且选择还不算少时,会去台积电吗? 04/25 03:19
153F:推 afflic : 这篇文章提振股价好吗 04/25 03:19
154F:→ afflic : 根本没有其他公司能复制 04/25 03:19
155F:推 RaiGend0519 : 人家工程师还能去挖石油咧 04/25 03:22
156F:推 apeople : 美国一堆兼职两份的打工仔,我觉得他们也很奴 04/25 03:39
157F:推 sqt : 台湾政府帮给台积资源和奴才,也是台积成功要因 04/25 03:49
158F:推 xkiller1900 : 笑死,美国人不懂台积电 04/25 03:59
159F:推 rockmaxdash : 抱怨语言障碍笑死 你去外国公司要求人家配合你全部 04/25 04:54
160F:→ rockmaxdash : 讲你母语??? 04/25 04:54
161F:→ rockmaxdash : 华人去美国公司 你会配合他们讲中文吗 04/25 04:55
162F:推 ctes940008 : 美国人去FAAMG薪水比台积电还高XD 04/25 05:01
163F:→ ctes940008 : 日本人工程师没事也不想跟你加班,遑论on call。 04/25 05:02
164F:推 afflic : 很多台湾人奴惯了,用台湾人的角度看外商公司 04/25 05:25
165F:→ afflic : 人家外国人去美国开公司,可是要讲英文的呢 04/25 05:25
166F:推 NowQmmmmmmmm: 也没有丑化南科里面的GG生态就是这样0.0 04/25 05:33
167F:推 zsman : 很实在 事实如此 04/25 06:08
168F:→ stevenkuo : 先说当年美国干嘛来台湾搞晶圆厂,还不是水电人的 04/25 06:11
169F:→ stevenkuo : 问题。如今搬回美国成本大增一定的啊 04/25 06:11
170F:→ stevenkuo : 当年张 和工研院的八卦,比较精彩 04/25 06:12
171F:推 A80211ab : 扁损人的文化是事实 04/25 06:18
172F:推 humblechen : 给推 好文 04/25 06:18
173F:推 ilanese : 这就是美国人在晶圆制造业的竞争力赢不了台积电的 04/25 06:24
174F:→ ilanese : 原因。 04/25 06:24
175F:→ ilanese : 既然赢不了,就用政治力强迫到美国设厂。 04/25 06:25
176F:推 CYL009 : 不意外 想想当年怎麽会把这种高度攸关国家安全的东 04/25 06:27
177F:→ CYL009 : 西丢去国外就知道了 04/25 06:27
178F:推 stevenkuo : 比较好奇AZ有足够的水吗? 若没有循环重覆利用,曾 04/25 06:35
179F:→ stevenkuo : 文南化水库都不够给积用 04/25 06:35
180F:推 losage : 不适应代工厂的工人 04/25 06:43
181F:推 c928 : 美国就懒惰工人,看看英特尔就知道 04/25 06:45
182F:推 a6976933 : 哪有丑化 都嘛真的 笑死 04/25 06:46
183F:推 amethystboy : 不错 如此熟悉 04/25 06:48
184F:推 chigo520 : 美国人说不能贴比基尼??这什麽世界 04/25 06:48
185F:→ jason88633 : GG轮班星人救台湾不是乱喊的 04/25 06:50
186F:推 cabom : 美国就是有1%的天才带着99%废物人才的地方,绝大多 04/25 06:51
187F:→ cabom : 数都很废 04/25 06:51
188F:推 oheday : 预料中 04/25 06:52
189F:推 acolam : 美国人又不是台湾人文化国情不同 没办法适用gg正常 04/25 06:53
190F:推 g0t24568 : So what, 到美国设厂是政治问题 鬼才要去 04/25 06:57
191F:推 Gipmydanger : 又是个SJWhttps://i.imgur.com/IXKsmYf 04/25 07:05
192F:推 achinyu : 注定失败 04/25 07:05
193F:推 shoinchang : 等等美国用绿卡整批挖走台湾工程师 美国的嘴脸很明 04/25 07:07
194F:→ shoinchang : 显 却还有一群人狂舔美也是好笑 04/25 07:07
195F:推 soulout : GG早知道结果,是不得已才去米国 04/25 07:11
196F:推 WTF55665566 : 整天叫嚣美国挖走 啊是挖去哪?台积电台湾挖去台机 04/25 07:16
197F:→ WTF55665566 : 电美国厂?啊这哪叫挖? 04/25 07:16
198F:→ WTF55665566 : 好歹扯个牙膏厂 结果牙膏厂这几年有什麽长进吗?XD 04/25 07:16
199F:→ wonlylove : 美国厂已经尽可能美化管理了,已经比亚洲厂管理好多 04/25 07:17
200F:→ wonlylove : 了,美国人是不能骂的,有些州是犯法的,连暗喻都 04/25 07:17
201F:→ wonlylove : 不行,但台劳天生就劳碌命,到美国的竞争力,就来 04/25 07:17
202F:→ wonlylove : 自陪老板虾BB,台积鸿海最佳解就是引进台外劳,或 04/25 07:17
203F:→ wonlylove : 雇用非裔及亚裔,美国只适合on table,台积的地点又 04/25 07:17
204F:→ wonlylove : 比红海威州好,台积旁有intel 附近有加州德州科技厂 04/25 07:17
205F:→ wonlylove : ,要换工作,都还有机会,鸿海威州就只能苏武牧羊北 04/25 07:17
206F:→ wonlylove : 海边了 04/25 07:17
207F:→ WTF55665566 : 当初梁孟松那种整个被挖走才是真的 不过他现在也是 04/25 07:18
208F:→ WTF55665566 : 过时技术了 韩国人不要踢出去再被中国捡去 04/25 07:18
209F:推 sazabijiang : 早就说过台积电唯一优势是台湾劳工奴性,不是什麽 04/25 07:20
210F:→ sazabijiang : 真的独步全球的高科技。 04/25 07:20
211F:推 lij1243 : 廉价劳工大陆更多,逻辑真烂 04/25 07:21
212F:→ lij1243 : 台积电60000个独步全球的半导体专利,你眼瞎? 04/25 07:22
213F:→ lij1243 : 这样投资股票赚钱真的是奇蹟 04/25 07:22
214F:→ lij1243 : 继续玩下去你迟早住公园 04/25 07:23
215F:嘘 PoloHuang : 这种东西本来就黄猴子才做得下去 04/25 07:26
216F:推 WTF55665566 : 不如说欧美真的爽日子过久了 跟二战那个年代有很大 04/25 07:28
217F:→ WTF55665566 : 不同 全球化让他们远离劳力密集跟高工时产业很久 04/25 07:28
218F:→ WTF55665566 : 本身应该是好事 但在他们要重拾这样的产业时 就变 04/25 07:28
219F:→ WTF55665566 : 成障碍 04/25 07:28
220F:→ WTF55665566 : 台积电也很明确技术领先同业 而它不容易被超越正是 04/25 07:31
221F:→ WTF55665566 : 因为融合了欧美创新能力跟亚洲高工时跟劳力密集的 04/25 07:31
222F:→ WTF55665566 : 高效生产 缺一不可 04/25 07:31
223F:推 gibbs1286 : 这很现实啊,台积电的成功不就是建基於台湾人很奴 04/25 07:36
224F:推 xx60824xx : 台奴沾沾自喜 04/25 07:40
225F:推 rancilio : 晶圆制造本来就是一板一眼,最适合军事化管理 04/25 07:41
226F:嘘 Reg1001 : 本来美国厂就是观光工厂,不用期待能有多少营收... 04/25 07:41
227F:→ rancilio : 跟欧美崇尚个人和自由主义背道而驰,所以才会往亚洲 04/25 07:42
228F:推 danhunter : 英特尔永远不可能赢tsmc 04/25 07:42
229F:→ rancilio : 发展,这也是morris一直不愿意在欧美投资原因之一 04/25 07:42
230F:推 zxcvbnm119 : 奴 结案 04/25 07:43
231F:→ rancilio : 美国向往的是华尔街那种豪奢又自由的生活方式 04/25 07:44
232F:→ rancilio : 是台美政客联手绑架GG去美国生产 04/25 07:45
233F:推 square : 奴隶们站起来! 04/25 07:50
234F:推 silence569 : 真的是大惊小怪,台人就是奴,没啥好反驳 04/25 07:58
235F:→ Heedictator : 我记得阿扁时代,老张名声可臭了,所以台积电一直都 04/25 07:58
236F:→ ericthree : gg: 美国人过太爽啦 04/25 08:00
237F:→ Heedictator : 没变,变的是半导体产业愈来愈重要 04/25 08:02
238F:推 bacteria2014: 结论就是美国人过太爽 04/25 08:05
239F:→ wonlylove : 讲一个故事,有家巨头公司,被要求要实现美国制造, 04/25 08:07
240F:→ wonlylove : 後来,听闻到一位台籍教授在美传授无人工厂的奥义, 04/25 08:07
241F:→ wonlylove : 这位教授号称在70年代,就建构邮件分检系统了,比PC 04/25 08:07
242F:→ wonlylove : 发展史还超前部署,於是就把他请来当二把手,就像是 04/25 08:07
243F:→ wonlylove : 礼遇水镜先生一样,他的弟子也如同水镜八奇,人生 04/25 08:07
244F:→ wonlylove : 第一份工作的起点,就是社畜的人生最高梦想,这些八 04/25 08:07
245F:→ wonlylove : 奇基本上都是华人留美,满口能吹得一口大树锯专家, 04/25 08:07
246F:→ wonlylove : 也喜欢致敬明成祖,集结工程师的方案出书或当作自 04/25 08:07
247F:→ wonlylove : 我成就继续吹,而这团队最大的奥义就是想要对美国进 04/25 08:07
248F:→ wonlylove : 行制造技术反输出,问题就来了,华人留美回台,西 04/25 08:07
249F:→ wonlylove : 方取经後,回亚洲担任高管,这是可理解的,但去完经 04/25 08:07
250F:→ wonlylove : 反过来又回去教美国人,何谓智能制造,无人工厂,这 04/25 08:07
251F:→ wonlylove : 不是在班门弄斧吗?美国人哪个不是留美的,哪个不 04/25 08:07
252F:→ wonlylove : 比台湾人天熟地熟,在地资源还多的?美国制造对台厂 04/25 08:07
253F:→ wonlylove : 来说,就跟台湾买军武一样,都是对天朝的朝贡与输 04/25 08:07
254F:→ wonlylove : 诚,大家各取所需 04/25 08:07
255F:推 kendavid001 : 台奴世界第一 04/25 08:08
256F:→ RTAngel : 还好啦,事事顺利就不是国际大企业了 04/25 08:09
257F:推 arashivivian: 所以在跌这个? 04/25 08:09
258F:推 tonylolz : 不想肝还想要制造业 谁要美国制造业造出来的垃圾啊 04/25 08:12
259F:→ yiersan : 台奴无可取代 嘻嘻 04/25 08:17
260F:嘘 merihim : 进外商不用学外语还要要求外商讲本土语言 是在哈罗 04/25 08:19
261F:→ merihim : ? 04/25 08:19
262F:→ peacebi : 一物换一物,没有全拿的 04/25 08:20
263F:推 zjnovember : 2024 台湾还可以蓄奴 懂吗? 04/25 08:20
264F:→ wonlylove : 亚洲制造真正的奥义是,便宜的土地,税负减免与补贴 04/25 08:21
265F:→ wonlylove : ,便宜的劳动力与新鲜的肝,及牺牲三代的性从业者 04/25 08:21
266F:推 psow123 : 突破人类的界限,生理上@@ 04/25 08:22
267F:推 karta018 : 之前说过,先进制程在美国,主要产能在台湾,就是台 04/25 08:24
268F:→ karta018 : 美共识,要次先进的晶片intel就可以做了,美国要的 04/25 08:24
269F:→ karta018 : 是最先进制造技术,谁稀罕产能,所以美国厂经营再烂 04/25 08:24
270F:→ karta018 : 也没差,只要是先进制程就OK 04/25 08:24
271F:推 cloud7515 : 反观日本 04/25 08:28
272F:推 downtoearth : 熊本厂表示:? 04/25 08:30
273F:推 an0215 : 当初不想做,现在想做了结果实际去做才发现根本做 04/25 08:30
274F:→ an0215 : 不来 04/25 08:30
275F:推 Heedictator : 是啊,美日就是分散一定产能,确保中共侵台时,国内 04/25 08:30
276F:→ Heedictator : 晶片还够用。 04/25 08:30
277F:推 behapppy : 不爽就滚!!! 屁话那麽多 04/25 08:31
278F:推 cosmite : 台积成功的秘诀:肝与勤奋。难怪懒惰白人工程师会 04/25 08:33
279F:→ cosmite : 失败 无法复制台积成功 04/25 08:33
280F:推 JohnnyHsu : 必推 04/25 08:34
281F:推 cosmite : 工厂本就是军事化管理 这名名为Bruce的工程师以为 04/25 08:35
282F:→ cosmite : 自己是在做研发吗 04/25 08:35
283F:→ cosmite : 进外商 要求外商用自己本国语沟通也是很可笑 04/25 08:36
284F:推 eineFrage : 轮班星人无可取代 04/25 08:36
285F:推 j0987 : 设观光工厂,两边都买安全感 04/25 08:37
286F:推 WTF55665566 : 台湾这样叫蓄奴 那996中国大概是奴中奴了 04/25 08:38
287F:→ yiersan : 反正就是搬运台奴到上限 其他再用尽量用奴性血统的 04/25 08:38
288F:→ yiersan : 二代华裔就好 04/25 08:38
289F:→ yiersan : 移民第二代那种 04/25 08:39
290F:推 DDhow : 结论不就是 美国人太爽 台湾人太奴 04/25 08:39
291F:推 ha878787 : 那个 04/25 08:39
292F:→ berserk : 讲的好像外国公司都没有阶级制度一样 04/25 08:40
293F:推 arm370x : 怕什麽996 中国还有007 04/25 08:40
294F:→ yiersan : 你GG可以找那种需要办绿卡的新移民 这样至少可以当 04/25 08:41
295F:→ yiersan : 好几年奴隶不用怕 04/25 08:41
296F:嘘 PPPGGG : 不就一个自以为好棒棒又不肯学的 = = 04/25 08:41
297F:推 WTF55665566 : 这文是挺写实的啦 就两边文化差异的碰撞 04/25 08:41
298F:→ WTF55665566 : 这也没什麽 倒是一些帐号一直想带奇怪风向 04/25 08:41
299F:推 jubihu : 这篇写得太好了 我要加码台积电 04/25 08:44
300F:推 gest7240 : 欧美就是时代红利吃饱的国家啊 老本很厚让他们可以 04/25 08:50
301F:→ gest7240 : 废一点 到其他国家根本猪队友 现在渐渐都靠制定规 04/25 08:50
302F:→ gest7240 : 则来搞你啊 让想崛起的国家历经更困难的崛起过程 04/25 08:50
303F:→ gest7240 : 已确保他们的利益 曾经的日本 现在的中国 等以後印 04/25 08:50
304F:→ gest7240 : 度即将起飞 八成也被搞一波 04/25 08:50
305F:推 EFERO : 看完了 感想就是美国人只想爽 04/25 08:52
306F:推 justin200428: 结论:美国喊喊而已 不想奴 04/25 08:57
307F:推 windblood : 不爽不要干 什麽都要配合他 台厂讲中文怎麽了 04/25 08:58
308F:→ yiersan : 的确 这老白都来台训练一年 简单工作会用的中文台 04/25 09:00
309F:→ yiersan : 语要学吧 04/25 09:00
310F:→ yiersan : 奴性不够XD 04/25 09:01
311F:推 ahg : 早就说过了….台积电最大的技术就是奴工 04/25 09:01
312F:推 HRyan : 好真实喔 04/25 09:01
313F:推 GooglePixel : 不开心去特儿工作啊 哪天TSMC被超越再来抱怨好吗 04/25 09:02
314F:→ GooglePixel : 在台湾公司上班还不想学中文 真的有够草莓 04/25 09:02
315F:推 hipmyhop : 不只奴 还很贫乏。就是台湾人 04/25 09:05
316F:推 Seikan : 「他们需要凤凰城的唯一目的 就是确保美国政府不会 04/25 09:05
317F:→ Seikan : 对他们不利」这句应该是通篇文眼 04/25 09:05
318F:→ hipmyhop : 不过磨合期应该很快 台湾人矫正能力第一 就爱面子 04/25 09:05
319F:推 EFERO : 美国人怎麽会觉得台积为了补助 台员工为了绿卡 所 04/25 09:06
320F:→ EFERO : 以一直去蹭美国?实际上是美国逼台积去的吧? 04/25 09:06
321F:推 BigBird110 : 美国人真的是..恩.. 04/25 09:07
322F:推 l90289312 : 翻得不错,很真实XD 04/25 09:10
323F:→ ohya111326 : 美国人没竞争力 04/25 09:10
324F:推 Seikan : 这个Bruce应该可以去加入某I公司 那边会有他理想的 04/25 09:12
325F:→ Seikan : 环境 然後米国阿爸会补助 让米国再次伟大 04/25 09:12
326F:推 gtrzero : 事实就证明了 这就是TSMC会成功的原因 TSMC很敢给阿 04/25 09:14
327F:推 EFERO : 美国人一直点出是语言问题造成隔阂 那就去学好中文 04/25 09:14
328F:→ EFERO : 啊,知道问题还不去解决,这是工程师的素养吗? 04/25 09:14
329F:推 h034826567 : 烂草莓还敢当工程师去超商端盘吧嘻嘻 04/25 09:14
330F:推 kobi0910 : 奉献精神和服从精神 翻译:肝跟奴 04/25 09:15
331F:推 kazake : 觉得这份工作准备突破人类技术 结果却抱怨工作太硬 04/25 09:16
332F:→ kazake : 太累太奴 烂草莓就说啊 04/25 09:16
333F:嘘 EDFR : 不就说了台积强的原因就是台湾这些轮班星人 还真的 04/25 09:18
334F:→ EDFR : 找不到哪里能取代 04/25 09:18
335F:推 atpx4869s : 为何不是他要学点中文跟台语? 04/25 09:22
336F:→ Tokoo3535 : 很精辟... 04/25 09:28
337F:推 kiddcat : 不爽不要做,来,下一位明天来报到. 04/25 09:29
338F:推 NowQmmmmmmmm: 台湾便宜又优质的人、水、电、供应商都很难取代0.0 04/25 09:29
339F:→ NowQmmmmmmmm: 交通又方便半夜Call人一下子就到齐了美国那可能办 04/25 09:29
340F:→ NowQmmmmmmmm: 的到 04/25 09:29
341F:→ jason138 : 老美就是懒惰阿= = " 04/25 09:31
342F:嘘 xdctjh : 低能白猪 什麽都不会 对别人的管理模式指手划脚 好 04/25 09:32
343F:→ xdctjh : 像你们这些东南亚猴子什麽都不懂,伟大的美国人屈 04/25 09:32
344F:→ xdctjh : 就学习你们就应该都讲英文,就应该学习美国职场文 04/25 09:32
345F:→ xdctjh : 化 04/25 09:32
346F:→ xdctjh : 连别人电脑桌面都要管,低能 04/25 09:32
347F:推 epephanylo : 美语霸权 呵呵 大家都要学英文 OK~ 学中文 OH~NO~ 04/25 09:42
348F:推 JKjohnwick : 美女照片的紧张情势吗呵呵 04/25 09:52
349F:→ JKjohnwick : 台积强是因为便宜的人力啊 04/25 09:52
350F:推 WTF55665566 : 只有便宜人力也没用 不然中国更便宜更奴 04/25 09:53
351F:推 shawn0205 : 员工对公司有信仰 有够奴 04/25 09:58
352F:推 prereality : 欧美人就是过太爽 如果可以人人都想做钱多事少离家 04/25 09:59
353F:→ prereality : 近的工作啊 04/25 09:59
354F:推 bigkuan : 美国的人力成本可想而知 04/25 09:59
355F:推 david0605 : 美国草莓的抱怨,要不是美国爸爸拉着台积电的LP到 04/25 10:03
356F:→ david0605 : 美国设厂,谁会去那种鬼地方 04/25 10:03
357F:→ david0605 : 在那边抱怨语言不通,你不会学中文吗?还要别人学英 04/25 10:04
358F:→ david0605 : 文配合你啊?不爽不要干 04/25 10:04
359F:推 jim543000 : 这是什麽超级机翻吗 04/25 10:10
360F:推 maple486 : 一开始就知道的事情 感觉美国爸爸再弄 04/25 10:13
361F:推 dedomil : 感觉蛮中肯 04/25 10:16
362F:推 neverlight : 晶圆这麽好赚美国人哪会给亚洲人做?就是美国人已经 04/25 10:21
363F:→ neverlight : 吃不了苦了才丢出去给黄猴子做啊 04/25 10:21
364F:→ kyova : 文章好长 04/25 10:25
365F:推 ddd80125 : 结论:台湾人耐操便宜好用,美国人问题很多 04/25 10:29
366F:→ xc2v : 这就备案 不急 要用时这都不是问题 04/25 10:30
367F:推 justiceyes : 这问题大概要等更多机器人问世才能改善了 04/25 10:40
368F:嘘 hosen : 美国在政治上拥有绝对优势为什麽拼输台积电 04/25 10:52
369F:推 webberpopo : 美国人不能学台湾退步 不然看台湾人能不能学美国人 04/25 10:55
370F:→ webberpopo : 学起来以後股价大概GG了 04/25 10:55
371F:→ Romio44 : 台企哪个不奴?GG至少在台湾钱给的到位 04/25 11:17
372F:推 ABJones : 写得很真实 推 04/25 11:18
373F:→ Romio44 : 嫌GG奴?又嫌GG买房?所以到底羡慕还忌妒? 04/25 11:18
374F:推 ten0618 : 干有够精彩 04/25 11:27
375F:→ wonlylove : 现在台厂就是用E2换取台湾移工赴美,E2无法转绿卡, 04/25 11:29
376F:→ wonlylove : 所以台干都在美国生小孩,以取得依亲的资格,只是得 04/25 11:29
377F:→ wonlylove : 等小孩长大 04/25 11:29
378F:推 ctttttt : 好文章 04/25 11:30
379F:→ wonlylove : 台商设厂的地方,基本上条件都是较差的Juarez还是 04/25 11:34
380F:→ wonlylove : 全世界治安第二差的地方,地方几百年发展不起来, 04/25 11:34
381F:→ wonlylove : 自然有其主观条件限制发展,不是沙漠边缘就是苦寒 04/25 11:35
382F:→ wonlylove : 之地 04/25 11:35
383F:推 chaoskyuriop: 台湾人爱面子 不能说实话的…… 04/25 11:38
384F:推 omegazero : 去外资公司工作当然要学该外资公司的本国语言 04/25 11:42
385F:推 kerbi : 白人世界的繁荣本来就是压榨其它地区来的 04/25 11:49
386F:→ kerbi : 工厂盖别处 用当地奴工 污染留在当地 04/25 11:49
387F:→ tsengwind : 要引进印度人不是吗,不爽不要干 04/25 11:58
388F:推 noyesray : 美国草莓多 若不是靠政治 根本没竞争力 04/25 12:02
389F:嘘 a5545855 : 不爽做就滚 现在才知道台奴吗 04/25 12:13
390F:推 mainsa : 台湾人进在台湾设点的美商要英文面试 这合情合理吧 04/25 12:36
391F:→ mainsa : 那为啥派来台湾受训的美国人还要每个人配一个翻译 04/25 12:36
392F:→ mainsa : 啊 找能讲中文的有很难? 不然先上一年语言学校再 04/25 12:36
393F:→ mainsa : 来也行啊 怪台湾当地用中文交接简直是鬼扯欸 04/25 12:36
394F:推 heremattis : 我的理解:AZ厂是台美谈判下的结果,政治干涉比专业 04/25 13:19
395F:→ heremattis : 考量多,那时宣布设厂是在疫情时期 04/25 13:19
396F:推 sasaflight : 蛮有趣的文章 文化冲击 04/25 13:24
397F:推 hwei9582905 : 看完决定all in 2330 04/25 13:25
398F:推 rockwave : 沙漠之鹰 04/25 13:38
399F:→ realbout : 美国大鵰 04/25 16:56
400F:推 shirman : 「好山好水好无聊」「伟大山脉和伟大河流,以及极大 04/25 17:23
401F:→ shirman : 的无聊」 04/25 17:23
402F:→ TeaEEE : 日本厂让美国脸丢大了还在鸡鸡歪歪的 04/25 17:27
403F:嘘 kazamishu : 美国就是剥削各国来享受最多福利 04/25 18:24
404F:嘘 wulongde : 靠北勒都签了保密协议还在那边爆料,垃圾美国草莓 04/25 19:07
405F:→ cocomashow : 里面有些讲的蛮诚实的 确实台湾文化一堆国小国中没 04/25 19:11
406F:→ cocomashow : 毕业的老废物在当经理 靠斗争跟踩人上去的 英文烂就 04/25 19:11
407F:→ cocomashow : 算 还拿底下工程师的ppt修改往上报 ppt就是为了方便 04/25 19:11
408F:→ cocomashow : 修改往上报 不过也是待退 台积也不会逼走 不然去对 04/25 19:11
409F:→ cocomashow : 岸一圈又是满地开花的状况 有能的人自是不会待 不过 04/25 19:11
410F:→ cocomashow : 媒体控制的很好 但是人待不久 久了就是一直往下修 04/25 19:11
411F:→ cocomashow : 招聘资格下限 唯一真正的软实力就奴性 因为出来能力 04/25 19:11
412F:→ cocomashow : 不足 只能去一样奴但薪水1/3的地方 如果一直有年轻 04/25 19:11
413F:→ cocomashow : 劳动力能补足倒是还好 只怕出生率继续低下去 自动 04/25 19:11
414F:→ cocomashow : 化程度就得再提高 等到那时台湾人的优势就没了 因 04/25 19:11
415F:→ cocomashow : 为台湾人就得跟机器人比奴 04/25 19:11
416F:推 tonyhu : Intel棒还不快去? 04/25 21:06
417F:推 sandra80032 : 感谢翻译 04/25 23:44
418F:推 bloodyiris : 美国人怎麽听起来这麽废 04/26 04:55
419F:→ wonlylove : 不是美国人废是台湾穷人太多,但凡家里有点底,谁会 04/26 06:50
420F:→ wonlylove : 去工厂轮班? 04/26 06:50
421F:→ wonlylove : 这位美国人本来是认为他可以在台积电学到什麽?结果 04/26 07:10
422F:→ wonlylove : 发现身旁是为了工作签证装忙与做足表面功夫面子工程 04/26 07:10
423F:→ wonlylove : 的台干,嫖窃成果的主管,与军事化管理成为日常; 台 04/26 07:10
424F:→ wonlylove : 厂的技术领先,其实是一种规模领先,台积电的领先, 04/26 07:10
425F:→ wonlylove : 其实是AMSL在资本市场上的选择,只能说台积电基本上 04/26 07:10
426F:→ wonlylove : 不废,没搞砸了其取得的资本优势,全球化分工各个 04/26 07:10
427F:→ wonlylove : 产业都会走向合适的地方,美国是顶级猎食者,台奴则 04/26 07:10
428F:→ wonlylove : 是底层奴役供给者亦或管理者,美国制造除了地域需求 04/26 07:10
429F:→ wonlylove : 与国防太空航太等,是违反反全球分工的,制造业是逐 04/26 07:10
430F:→ wonlylove : 水草而居,人工成本,税负优惠,及土地成本,关乎 04/26 07:10
431F:→ wonlylove : 其生存,美国要做制造,甚至连蓝领都没有的,也就是 04/26 07:10
432F:→ wonlylove : 要从事美国制造,需要找出有美国制造价值的事业, 04/26 07:10
433F:→ wonlylove : 晶圆代工终究还是要封装,打件,组装,自动化与机 04/26 07:10
434F:→ wonlylove : 器人是个美好的愿景,一来机器人不如人,二来机器人 04/26 07:10
435F:→ wonlylove : 生产,搞无人工厂,那也应该去北极生产啊 04/26 07:10
436F:→ wonlylove : 台积电引入的台湾移民势必有一天会需要摩西带回迦南 04/26 07:18
437F:→ wonlylove : 之地,台积电,鸿海威州,一个在沙漠边陲,一个在 04/26 07:18
438F:→ wonlylove : 酷寒之地,台湾移工其实都是被隔离在美国之外的国 04/26 07:19
439F:→ wonlylove : 中国,国内讲台语也会通,久了也学不到英文,美国人 04/26 07:19
440F:→ wonlylove : 也很难融入,其型态就会如同美国城市的台湾街日本 04/26 07:19
441F:→ wonlylove : 街 04/26 07:19
442F:→ wonlylove : 台厂的竞争力从来就与管理与技术无关 04/26 07:22
443F:→ JKjohnwick : 什麽年代了,美国人还在喊平权,难怪现在美国比不 04/26 13:04
444F:→ JKjohnwick : 上台湾了 04/26 13:04
445F:推 wcre : 自动化天天oncall最好米国大爷肯做啦 04/27 00:39
446F:嘘 dodoro1 : .. 06/16 14:16







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