作者wake01 (醒来)
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标题[战术] Spanishiwa's ZvP
时间Mon Apr 18 22:03:59 2011
The build order:
建筑顺序
9 OL (9ov)
16 Hatchery (16bh)
15 Spawning Pool (15bs)
18 OL. (18ov)
@100% Hatchery 1 spine crawler (二矿完成时下一根地刺)
2 queens (eventually 2 more), and a pair of zerglings for scouting
2妈妈(接着再多生两个),一队侦查用的狗
Drones until 40 (assuming you didn't lose the scouting pair of zerglings)
产农直到40人口 (假设你没失去你的侦查狗)
All 4 geysers on 40, keep droning until you have a total of 44 drones (being
40人口後4瓦斯,保持总共有44只的农(当你建筑或被骚扰时要记得补)
sure to replace lost drones due to building construction/harassment etc)
100 gas, lair (start double evo chambers)
第一百瓦升级主堡(同时下双bv)
100 gas, ling speed
第二百瓦升狗速
@100% evo chambers, +1 to melee and carapace
bv完成後同时+1/+1近战攻防
@100% lair, overseer to scout, ventral sacs, overlord speed
主堡升级完毕後升级监察者做侦查,并且升级两个气球科技(速度和运输)
baneling nest (about when overlord speed finishes. obviously you might want
to get it sooner if you see he'll be pressuring you in a timing such that you
won't have overlord drop in time to defend)
毒爆巢(当你气球速度完成後,但是如果你看他要压过来了那就先下)
Match up specifics: Scout on 13ish, and steal the protoss guy's second gas!
It really grinds their gears. It can also uh.. like egg on (incite?
instigate?) a 4 gate or other form of all in from him. I think the funniest
one I've seen is the KiWiKaKi 2 immortal+warp prism drop on me. Except that I
don't get roaches.. so it was lol.
在13农的时候侦查,然後盖他瓦斯!这会让他很痛,并且可能让他很生气因此4BG或之类的
上次我就看到KiWiKaKi用运输菱镜+双不朽来空投我,但是我没蟑螂,科科
Also, if he scouts on 9 and you see him coming up the ramp with your second
overlord (that should be positioned at your natural to scout for cannon
cheese) throw down a gas on 14 to trick your opponent into thinking you're
doing 14/14. Just cancel it and throw down the 16 hatch when the probe is
sufficiently out of position. If he doesn't fall for this, and the map allows
it, you can take the third instead of your natural (maps like metalopolis
cross positions or close positions by air, for example). See: Jemag 5 gate on
my mrbitters ep for an illustration.
如果他9农来侦查你,然後你用第二ov看到他上了斜坡(第二气球摆在二矿处防光炮大招)
你就在14农放瓦斯,让他以为你是14/14,当他跑走够远时取消回到原来流程
但是如果他没有,而且地图可以这麽作(像是大都会的非近点),那就把二矿盖在远点
(在我的mrbitters ep那边的Jemag 5 gate那边有示范)
The one spine crawler @100% hatchery is extremely necessary to hold off the
zealot + stalker harass that will inevitably be coming.
那第一根是很重要的,因为要防止非常有可能的狂追骚扰
After that spine is up, it's just scouting from here. If he goes for a 3 gate
sentry expand you will need 2 more spine crawlers (a third, on some maps).
This is also why 4 gate doesn't really work, because if he does a 4 gate and
fools you into thinking it's a 3 gate sentry expand.. well you have spines
anyway. Although, against a shameless 4 gate all in I do like to get about
4-5 spines in my natural as well as 2 spine at the top of my ramp and ~8 slow
lings parked at the top of the ramp.
地刺好了就开始侦查,如果他3BG哨兵开矿你就多放两个地刺(一些地图要放三个)
这样就可以挡住4BG,因为就算他取消二矿骗你,你也有地刺
如果是无耻4BG那麽我就下4~5根在二矿,2根在斜坡上,同样约摆8只慢狗斜坡上
If he's doing a phoenix opener, you'll just need to delay overlord drop tech,
grab a third, and get a spire as well as infestation pit down. Active
scouting will tell you whether or not he's committing to air tech, and if he
is I feel the best response is a double spire with double upgrades going. All
the gas will be going to corrupters/a few infestors, and a small handful of
banelings to clear whatever amount of zealots he has (so that the zerglings
can do their work). Minerals will be going to aggressive expanding as well as
zerglings/drones/static D/whatever.
如果是凤凰开局,就慢点再升气球空投而改开三矿,且放下vs和vi
动态地侦查可以告诉你他是不是在搞空军科技,如果是那麽我认为最好的对应就是
双vs双空攻防升级,所有的瓦斯产腐化以及一些蠕动
以及少数的毒爆来炸开狂战让你的狗能尽点力
至於钱则用来积极扩张以及狗 static D(这不知道啥),之类的
In this match up (as in all), overseer is also very viable. If he's going
robo tech, I like to get 4-8 overseers and goop up his robotics while waiting
for drop tech. Then I'll do a massive like infinity-pronged attack on his
main/natural (banelings in drops to mineral lines, and a few in overlords to
complement your zergling army) while expanding. At the very minimum you'll
take out his sentries and you'll have stalled for your spire/infestation pit
(one or the other, or I guess both) to come up, but usually this is a game
ending attack.
在这策略,监察王虫非常可行,如果他vr科技,我就来个4-8只来污染它争取研发空投
然後我就会猛烈地多线进攻主副矿(丢毒爆和狗之类的),然後一边开矿
只要偷掉哨兵你就能争取到更多vs和vi的时间,但是接着通常也要结束了
So yeah if it doesn't kill him, you've got some nice +2/+2 ling/bling/(either
corrupter/infestor, or both) composition with hive tech on the way. Much like
ZvT, just stall for either ultras or broodlords with infestors/good drop
play, and hopefully you can take the game from there.
如果你没干掉他,你会有2/2的狗 毒爆 腐化 蠕动混兵,同时还再升级三级主堡
接着就像ZvT,拖到雷兽或寄生王虫出现,然後还有蠕动、空投骚扰
希望那时候就赢了
The third base timing is usually when you start to switch to unit production,
or when you feel safe. Can't really explain this.
摆三基地的时机通常是你开始爆兵的时候,或是你认为安全的时候
我没法清楚地说明
A key thing to note: I don't like to spread overlords (except my first
1-3ish) with this until I have, or have started/will start overlord speed,
because there is a scouting blindness where you won't be able to tell if he's
going stargate play or not. If he is, and you have spread out overlords..
chances are you could be set too far behind. It's not really a big deal
anyway, as there's not much the overlords would scout that early in the game
regardless (they can't even poop out creep to deny an expansion).
一个关键是:我会让气球呆在家里(除了一开始的那三个)
直到我要开始,或是已经有了气球速度
因为你无法知道他是不是要vs,如果是,你外面还摆了堆气球,然後就...
因为一开始的气球没法真的看到什麽,甚至也没法在对方二矿呕吐防开矿
Things to watch out for: 1 base DT is pretty eh, but if you wall your ramp
with queens/drones you'll be able to stall for lair tech. It's actually
pretty simple, you just buy time by hold positioning drones and transfusing
queens. A spore at the top of the ramp and maybe one in the main mineral line
is all you need. If he focusses your natural hatchery, you can just throw
down some panic spores and transfuse to save it. If he focusses your queens,
well to be honest they've already pooped out their creep tumors so they've
done their job and are expendable. Just transfuse what you can, and try to
mess up DT ai as you can with drones. It'll be a pretty easy win, because
even if you take heavy losses he's just on one base and he can't really
attack because you have spines (by deductive reasoning: if you thought he was
doing air, you'd have spores and thus DTs would be nullified. Only way DT
would catch you off guard is if you misread DTs as a 3 gate expand or 4 gate,
and in either case you'd have 3 or more spines as previously discussed).
如果是速隐刀(DT),那就蛮...
但是你可以用妈妈和工虫塞住斜坡,争取基地升级时间,蛮简单的,只需H工虫和妈妈补血
斜坡上和主矿区各一个ba就是你需要的全部
如果他瞄准二矿,那就赶快乱丢一些ba然後补血
如果他瞄准妈妈,恩事实上相信他们已经完成了舖虫苔的职责所以就让他们去吧
尽量补血尽尽人事即可,你也可以用工虫来混淆DT的AI
速隐刀可以轻松赢,因为即使你损失惨重,他仍然只有单基地
後续也不可能攻来(因为你有地刺)
来一番推理演绎:如果你认为他走空军,那会有ba,那隐刀也没用了
唯一可能的是你猜他4BG或3BG扩张但是他隐刀
但是这两种状况你都有三根以上的地刺所以不需担心
Cannon rushes are pretty baller though, just know where he can throw down
cannons (there are some spots, for example on shattered temple there is a
spot near the ramp where if a cannon is being constructed only like 2 drones
can attack it). Although good scouting/control will stop this.
光炮rush蛮恐怖的
你只需要知道他能摆光炮的位置(一些点像是破碎神庙斜坡附近你只能让2工虫咬他)
良好的侦查和控制就能制止
3 gate blink stalker is pretty deadly too, in this case you need to treat it
as a 4 gate and put the 2 spines above your ramp as previously discussed. If
you don't, he'll just blink up the ramp (as opposed to walking).
3BG闪现追猎也很致命,你必须像对待4BG一样对待他
摆两根刺在斜坡上像之前讨论那样,如果没摆,他就会飞上斜坡
Against forge FE openings I like to do a hatchery/evo cancel where his nexus
would go, just to force cannons before nexus. That way you'll retain some
semblance of an economic lead.
熔炉开局的话我会用BH/BV取消法再他会摆基地的地方搞他
强迫他在基地前下光炮,你会有些表面上的经济优势
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1F:推 ping1777:SPANISHIWA 正夯XD 04/18 22:04
2F:推 joeman:......Spanishwa是有付你们钱吗XD 04/18 22:06
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5F:推 yu00928:到底他有没有办法成为Z的救世主呢 04/18 22:06
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9F:→ larry1129:Spanishiwa是谁? 04/18 22:11
10F:→ zelt:SPANISHIWA是Z的救世主 17岁的少年宗师 04/18 22:12
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17F:推 gn01149163:有rp吗!!?? 04/18 22:40
19F:推 BignoZe:对抗4bg用地刺@@ 04/18 22:47
20F:推 suyushan:对抗4BG本来就用地刺阿 0.0 04/18 22:51
21F:推 BignoZe:谢Z大 04/18 22:52
22F:推 wisdom7676:static D应该是static defense 04/18 22:53