作者andy88566y (猫龙)
看板StarCraft
标题[战术] Spanishiwa's No Gas ZvT
时间Mon Apr 18 19:09:11 2011
Zerg vs Terran
The build order 建筑流程:
9 OL
16 裸双
15 狗池
18 王虫
2 后虫
(eventually 2 more), and a pair of zerglings for scouting
Drones until 40 (assuming you didn't lose the scouting pair of zerglings)
All 4 geysers on 40, keep droning until you have a total of 44 drones (being
sure to replace lost drones due to building construction/harassment etc)
100 gas, lair (start double evo chambers, and either roach warren or baneling
nest [or, depending on the situation, both] depending on what he's harassed
you with)
100 gas, ling speed
@100% evo chambers, +1 to melee and carapace* (even if you threw down a roach
warren and are forced to produce a lot of roaches)
@100% lair, overseer to scout
接下来再生产两只后虫还有两条小狗(侦查)
生产工虫直到40人口
4 个瓦斯厂
继续产工虫到44只工虫(不是44人口)
(请确定有补上因为盖建筑或是因为骚扰而损失的工虫)
100 瓦斯 升二本
此时放下2进化室
依前期我方的侦查以及敌方的骚扰来选择建造毒爆虫巢或是蟑螂巢或甚至都造
100瓦斯 提狗速
进化室完成 同时提近战一攻和一防
(即使你因为对方的rush而造了很多蟑螂也一样)
二本完成
马上变一只监察王虫去侦查
Match up specifics: As terran, he shouldn't really be able to block your
expansion because you can just harass the SCV with 2 drones. I'm not sure if
this holds a 2 rax scv all in on close positions. I've never been able to do
it against anyone competent, so maybe it's impossible. Keep that in mind when
doing this build close positions. You can hold a 2 rax not-all-scvs (3 or so)
pressure. I'm still working on the most appropriate response, but so far I've
come up with pull 6 drones for 1 marine 3 SCV, 9 drones for 3 marine 3 SCV.
Use the drones to stall for queen at natural and a spine crawler. Don't be
afraid to chase him into the middle of the map, as you're just stalling. It's
very critical to lose as few drones as possible to these early attacks, as
losing too many could put you too far behind (zerg is not a catch up race, at
least on hatchery tech it isn't).
对战细节
对人类来说,他不太可能阻止你下二矿,因为你可以用两只工虫去打SCV 让他建筑盖不起
来。但我不确定如果是近点且他2BB+SCV all-in时会如何,我还没有机会跟任何对手尝试
过,所以事有可能会GG的。当近点开局时且对方2BB 时,请特别小心。对於这种前压我还
在寻找最适当的解决方式,目前来说:
1 marine + 3 SCV > 拉6只工虫
3 marines+ 3 SCV > 拉9只工虫
用工虫来
拖延时间直到产出原基地的后虫和地刺为止。
不要害怕追marine追到地图中央,因为需要的就是
拖延到妈妈和地刺好。
但也要小心不要损失任何工虫,损失太多可能会让你落後得非常多而追不回来。
(Zerg不是一个可以後来居上的种族,
至少在一本时不是)
Because of the above, I scout on 12 with this build. The scout will tell you
whether or not he's doing a 2 rax, quick reaper, quick hellion, or quick
expansion build. Terran doesn't do anything slow so you needn't worry about
that (jk jk, but those are the most common builds that I see).
我会在人口12时出去侦查,这个侦查的重点在分辨人类是要
2BB 前压 死神 火车 或是速二矿
如果是其他的,你不用担心
If you see a gas, steal his other gas. I'm not sure whether or not this is
terribly effective, but it keeps the scouting drone alive and I'm sure it
pisses off your terran opponent (keep on top of those cancels/remakes, and
don't forget that 3 marines out dps an extractor in construction). Also be
sure to check the gas mined on his refinery, this will tell you how soon he
started mining from the refinery, and thus how soon you can expect hellions.
如果你看到他盖了一个瓦斯场,别怀疑把另一个也盖下去吧。我不确定这样做是不是真的
非常有效,但这样可以保存你的侦查工虫也可以是你的对手奇麽子非常不好。
(记得取消且重盖瓦斯槽,别忘了3只marine的DPS才会高过你建造的速度)
同时记得他是甚麽时候盖瓦斯厂的,这样你可以预测什麽时候会有火车到你家逛街烤肉。
You will need 2 spine crawlers minimum to hold the initial hellion harass if
he so decides to, and then you will want to add 1 more to your main mineral
line on the off chance he drops you or he gets up your ramp (although your
queens should be blocking). Time the spine crawlers with his hellion tech,
and the third with his starport tech (you don't need perfect numbers, just
don't throw down all 3 spines at once because he won't have starport tech as
soon as his hellions are produced [essentially you're just delaying throwing
down the inevitable spine crawler to eek out a bit more economy]). Keep 1
queen at each hatchery for injects, and the rest to ward off his marauding
hellions. Try to keep on top of injects, larva usage, and creep spread
throughout this stage.
你会需要至少两根地刺来防守早期的火车骚扰,而且不管你有没有妈妈堵住斜坡的习惯,
你都该在你的主矿多插一根地刺来防止他空降你或是自己的失误造成火车上斜坡。
计算他火车要来的时间来决定什麽时候插下这两根地刺,如果他又盖了星际港再插下第三
根 (你不需要完全遵照这个数字,只要确定不是一开始就盖三根地刺,因为如果他盖
"星际港=空降"的时间不会和他第一波恶狼的时间一样快),想法是,就是尽可能的慢下地
刺来争取更多经济。每个基地放一只后虫来孵虫卵,其他的后虫来阻止火车骚扰。被骚扰
的同时别忘了注射、使用幼虫、还有虫苔的扩张。
Once you've reached saturation for your minerals and all 4 gas geysers,
immediately switch into all unit-production mode. Don't worry if you haven't
scouted a big push coming, or this or that, because you're not producing the
units to defend some huge push by him (coincidentally, that is the case just
because this is around the time for 2 base aggression) you're producing them
because you're in the mid game and your units will be very strong (early
upgrades, lair tech upgrades like drop/roach speed/bane speed/burrow,
infestors, etc).
一旦你双矿满营运了(包括矿区跟瓦斯),马上转换成爆兵模式。不用担心你没有侦查到
人类的大规模推进或是一些有的没的,因为现在已经是游戏的中期,你不是生产军队来
防守,你的军队会因为很早的二本科技:攻防升级、空投、蟑螂跑速、提速毒爆、顿地
、还有感染虫,而变得非常强大。
(巧合的是,此时正是敌方双矿推出的时间)
Pick between a spire (I only recommend building 6 mutas) to ward off medivac
drops, or an infestation pit for harassment/epic comebacks/stalling for hive
tech. If you get a spire, then only build a small number of mutalisks and
start your +1 carapace. Time your hive to complete when +1 carapace, or +2
carapace completes (when +1 is 60 seconds completed, or +2 is 90 seconds
completed). Then go for broodlords (obviously if he's expecting this and hard
countering it then throw down an ultralisk cavern instead).
此时,选择下螺旋塔或是感染巢。
螺旋塔的话只建议出六只飞螳遏阻空投的医疗挺。
感染巢的作用是骚扰、参加作战、以及争取到升级三本科技的时间。
如果你下了螺旋塔。只要建造少量的飞螳就好,并且提升空军
甲壳。
算一下时间,使你三本完成时+1防或是+2防恰好完成,这样可以马上升级巨型螺旋塔出
寄生王虫。
(当然,如果你发现他预期你出寄生王虫,那三本好的时候就盖雷兽洞穴而非巨型螺旋塔)
Oh, and I'd get overlord speed as soon as can be reasonably expected with
this build. I don't really know why, I just like having overlord speed to be
able to goop up the potential expansions of my opponent (cute trick: burrow a
zergling at his expansion AND goop it, that way it's that much more delayed
and they get super frustrated [messes up SCV transfer]) as well as position
them better to scout for drops/run away from vikings and whatnot. Also opens
up the opportunity for drops/overseer play, and you can do mind games like
running a random overlord into your opponent's mineral line and seeing if
they freak out.
If you chose infestors, I generally like to throw down the infestation pit
when +1 +1 is completed and +2+2 is just starting. This is because the hive
tech timing (starting hive when infestation pit is @100%) matches nicely with
3/3, and you'll have excess gas stockpiling (you just burned it all on +2+2,
pathogen glands, burrow, banelings/whatnot). A timing I like with infestors
is to build them when pathogen glands is at 30 seconds (31 to be safe) so
that they complete right as the energy upgrade completes. I also start burrow
immediately when the infestation completes (or more specifically, ~20 seconds
before you start pathogen glands).
我喜欢尽快的提王虫的速度,我不能真正解释为什麽,我就是喜欢把人类当笨蛋耍。
把王虫放到人类有可能的开矿位置(小技巧:放一只遁地的狗在开矿的地方,这可以大大的
延迟人类开矿的时间,而当人类开心的带着SCV跟主堡飞到时却发现无法降下,T表示:杠!)
提速王虫可以放置在可能的医疗挺空投或是逃跑路线上,同时创造自己空投的机会。
而不时的放几只王虫去对方矿区逛街就可以看到SCVs抱头鼠窜的画面:P
如果要出感染虫,我会在地面+1/+1好且+2/+2刚开始时放下感染巢,因为这样感染巢好时
升级三本,三本好的时候刚好可以接着升级+3/+3,而且你会有足够的瓦斯来支撑你的
科技(尽管把挖瓦斯投资在+2/+2、病原腺体升级
感染虫魔力+25、顿地、毒爆虫速或之类的
别怕会有足够的瓦斯的)。
在病原腺体升级了30秒(31秒更保险)时开始生产感染虫,这样他们一出来就有+25魔力。
译者注解: 感染虫这段我还去测试了一下,主要是为了科技研发的时间
进化室同等级攻防的研发时间都一样(这点跟T不一样,我记得T防御都多10s)
攻防 +1 : 160s +2 : 190s +3 : 220s
感染虫巢: 50s 三本 : 100s
因此
--> +1/+1完成 --> +2/+2研发(190s) -----> 开始+3/+3
--> 感染巢(50s) ----> 三本(100s) ---->40s缓冲时间->
没有像文章说得那麽刚好
但是缓冲时间就是给你会战或是怕你忘记
总结:还蛮不错的时间点
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杠好长啊!!!!!!!!
我还以为只有一点点
没想到他讲得这麽详细
而且这只是T的上篇(下篇没剩多少)
还有 ZvP 跟 ZvZ ....
管他的这篇P币先赚再说XD
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