作者wheatbug (深蓝的屋内多了抹暗灰色꘩
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标题[情报] San Antonio Spurs Draft History
时间Tue May 8 22:44:19 2007
(本文章内容转自
http://www.basketball-reference.com/ )
Year Lg Rd Pk Player College
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2006 NBA 2 29 Damir Markota
2005 NBA 1 28 Ian Mahinmi
2004 NBA 1 28 Beno Udrih
2 23 Romain Sato Xavier University
2 28 Sergei Karaulov
2003 NBA 1 28 Leandro Barbosa
2002 NBA 1 26 John Salmons University of Miami
2 27 Luis Scola
2 28 Randy Holcomb San Diego State University
2001 NBA 1 28 Tony Parker
2 27 Robertas Javtokas
2 29 Bryan Bracey University of Oregon
2000 NBA 2 12 Chris Carrawell Duke University
1999 NBA 2 28 Manu Ginobili
1998 NBA 1 24 Felipe Lopez St. John's University
2 23 Derrick Dial Eastern Michigan University
1997 NBA 1 1 Tim Duncan Wake Forest University
1995 NBA 1 29 Cory Alexander University of Virginia
1994 NBA 1 22 Bill Curley Boston College
1993 NBA 2 20 Chris Whitney Clemson University
1992 NBA 1 18 Tracy Murray University of California, Los Angeles
2 17 Henry Williams University of North Carolina at Charlotte
1991 NBA 2 22 Greg Sutton Oral Roberts University
1990 NBA 1 24 Dwayne Schintzius University of Florida
2 16 Tony Massenburg University of Maryland
2 27 Sean Higgins University of Michigan
1989 NBA 1 3 Sean Elliott University of Arizona
1988 NBA 1 10 Willie Anderson University of Georgia
2 2 Shelton Jones St. John's University
3 6 Barry Sumpter Austin Peay State University
3 25 Archie Marshall University of Kansas
1987 NBA 1 1 David Robinson United States Naval Academy
1 23 Greg Anderson University of Houston
2 4 Nate Blackwell Temple University
3 4 Phil Zevenbergen University of Washington
4 4 Todd May Pikeville College
5 4 Dennis Williams University of Georgia
6 5 Ricky Brown University of South Alabama
7 4 Raynard Davis University of Texas at Austin
1986 NBA 1 10 Johnny Dawkins Duke University
2 9 Kevin Duckworth Eastern Illinois University
3 1 Forrest McKenzie Loyola Marymount University
4 9 Carlos Briggs Baylor University
5 9 Earl Kelley University of Connecticut
6 9 Kevin Lewis Southern Methodist University
7 9 Michael Anderson University of Texas-Pan American
1985 NBA 1 14 Rick Hughes Loyola University of Chicago
2 5 Mike Brittain University of South Carolina
2 11 Tyrone Corbin DePaul University
4 12 Scott Roth University of Wisconsin
5 13 Clayton Olivier University of Southern California
6 12 Chris Harper University of Oregon
7 13 Al Young Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
1984 NBA 1 7 Alvin Robertson University of Arkansas
3 10 Joe Binion North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University
4 8 John Devereaux Ohio University
4 20 Ozell Jones California State University, Fullerton
5 7 Eric Richardson University of Alabama
6 8 Dion Brown University of Louisiana at Lafayette
7 7 Michael Pitts University of California
8 8 Dan Tarkanian University of Nevada, Las Vegas
9 7 Melvin Roseboro St. Mary's University
10 8 Frank Rodriguez New Mexico State University
1983 NBA 1 19 John Paxson University of Notre Dame
2 11 Darrell Lockhart Auburn University
2 22 Kevin Williams St. John's University
4 20 Brant Weidner College of William & Mary
5 19 Jeff Pehl University of Richmond
6 20 Ricky Hooker St. Mary's University
7 19 Keith Williams Oklahoma Panhandle State University
8 20 Norville Brown Oklahoma Christian University
9 19 Gary Gaspard St. Mary's University
10 20 Lamar Heard University of Georgia
1982 NBA 2 1 Oliver Robinson University of Alabama at Birmingham
3 18 Willie Redden University of South Florida
4 18 Tony Grier University of South Florida
5 18 Clarence Swannegan Texas Tech University
6 18 Jaime Pena New Mexico State University
7 18 Delonte Taylor North Texas State University
8 18 Chris Faggi University of Memphis
9 17 Harry O'Brien St. Mary's University
10 17 Keith White McMurry University
1981 NBA 2 5 Gene Banks Duke University
2 7 Ed Rains University of South Alabama
3 18 Tom Baker Eastern Kentucky University
4 18 Earl Belcher St. Bonaventure University
5 18 Mike Rhodes Vanderbilt University
6 18 Norman Shavers Jackson State University
7 18 Mark Minderman Northern Michigan University
8 17 Bob Bartholomew University of San Diego
9 16 Leonel Marquetti Hampton University
10 17 Alvin Brooks Lamar University
1980 NBA 1 15 Reggie Johnson University of Tennessee
2 16 Michael Wiley California State University, Long Beach
3 14 Lavon Mercer University of Georgia
3 15 Rich Yonakor University of North Carolina
4 14 Calvin Roberts California State University, Fullerton
5 15 Gib Hinz University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire
6 14 Dean Uthoff Iowa State University
7 15 Allan Zahn University of Arkansas
8 12 Bill Bailey University of Texas-Pan American
9 13 Al Williams North Texas State University
10 10 Steve Schall University of Arkansas
1979 NBA 1 19 Wiley Peck Mississippi State University
3 19 Sylvester Norris Jackson State University
4 18 Al Daniel Furman University
5 18 Steve Schall University of Arkansas
6 17 Terry Knight University of Pittsburgh
7 18 Tyrone Branyan University of Texas at Austin
9 16 Eddie McLeod University of Nevada, Las Vegas
10 15 Glen Fine Harvard University
1978 NBA 1 20 Frankie Sanders Southern University and A&M College
3 20 Gerald Henderson Virginia Commonwealth University
4 20 Rich Adams University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
5 20 Eugene Parker Purdue University
6 19 Harry Morgan Indiana State University
7 19 Hector Olivencia Sacred Heart University
8 16 Henry Taylor University of Texas-Pan American
9 15 Rick Taylor Arizona State University
10 14 Larry Brewster University of Florida
1977 NBA 2 15 Jeff Wilkins Illinois State University
3 15 Dan Henderson Arkansas State University
4 15 Matt Hicks Northern Illinois University
5 15 Scott Sims University of Missouri
6 15 Bruce Buckley University of North Carolina
7 14 Richard Robinson University of New Mexico
8 15 Jerome Gladney University of Arizona
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本人在前面的文章中表示个人认为小乌是马刺近年来选秀养成系统中最失败的例子
但有板友推文表示立陶宛流氓 & Scola 就结果论来看其失败程度亦不徨多让
然而看看马刺自从 TD 加入之後,第一轮选秀权着实少的可怜
02 年的鲑鱼以及 03 年的包薄纱也是因为事先谈妥交易才替他队选进这两名球员
第一轮被选中的球员除了有保证签约之外约期也较长
因此若在第一轮选进会留队的球员,一般来说都是被评估为半完成品的角色
而在第二轮中段以後所选的,则可视之为只是在挑未开发或有待监定的潜力股
立陶宛流氓要不是出了场机车意外事故,或许早就被球团顺利召回了也不一定
Oberto 在国际赛上的表现被公认凌驾於 Scola 之上 (虽然两人的位置不同)
然而他在进入 NBA 後,这两个赛季下来究竟实力如何大家都是有目共睹
Scola & Javtokas 都还有待证明自己是否能在 NBA 中占有一席之地
可小乌却已然在联盟中待了三个球季,并接受过火星小范、V怪客的指导
结果证实他虽可在区域联防阵势中做好他的工作,但在进攻时却不是个可靠的 PG 或射手
因此我才会说他是「最失败」的例子啊........
小乌下个赛季的薪资高达 260 万,有球团是否要执行 Qualifying Offer 的八卦吗 =.=
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1F:推 hsnudo:看了这篇才知道原来麦香堡是马刺选的耶 05/08 22:50
2F:→ hsnudo:选秀後流浪数队最後又在马刺结束生涯,真神奇啊 05/08 22:52
3F:推 dogville:推 前阵子我也仔细研究过近年选秀 休季大家再来好好聊聊 05/08 22:59
4F:推 kaneggyy:Javtokas真的没机会了吗? 05/08 23:04
目前还不确定,爬文所得的结果是谈判仅剩细节尚未完成
5F:→ s1720109:Felipe Lopez是现在在打大联盟那个吗? 05/08 23:15
6F:推 Hanglin:我突然想到..我们前两年球员交换拿到的两个第一轮选秀权? 05/08 23:27
7F:推 dogville:随着黑玫瑰到尼克去了 T_T 05/08 23:28
8F:推 ArashiKanno:其实真要追溯的话 前一年换掉百步沙就已经是失策了 05/08 23:38
9F:→ ArashiKanno:小乌会被认为是失败的选秀 也是结果论下的产物 05/08 23:39
10F:推 ArashiKanno:因为在後面的Varejao、Duhon现在表现都好太多了 05/08 23:42
11F:推 ArashiKanno:实在是不想用结果论来评断小乌 05/08 23:48
马刺在近几年薪资结构紧绷的状态下将第一轮选秀权拿去换未来选秀权也是不得已的
有长期注意我们家球队薪资的人一定知道,我们家老板是不愿付豪华税的正常人 XD
在 Manu、小趴换约前,制服组就已先为他们的续约保留了一点弹性空间
顺利与他们完成续约虽然让我们确定了主力阵容不变,但薪资空间却卡的更死了
长期以来在马刺战绩辉煌的背後所付出的代价,就是每年选秀顺位均低的可怜
第一轮获选球员有保障签约,因此若球队选不到即战力型球员那也只是增加薪资负担
空握着一张第一轮最末段选秀权还不如将之交易出去
交易不掉或是谈不出啥好交易条件的,就乾脆选个潜力股放洋到国外去养碰碰运气
Barbosa 在 03 年选秀前测试就已经令太阳队惊艳而锁定为欲网罗之球员
太阳当年先在第一轮第十七顺位选了 Zarko Cabarkapa
然後再对当年拥有第一轮第二十八顺位选秀权的马刺提出交换选秀权的交易
这笔交易的但书是要我们能帮他们选到 Barbosa 交易才会成立
这样一来就可以避免太阳先换了选秀权後 Barbosa 却被人拦胡的悲剧发生
因此严格来说,选 Barbosa 本来就不在马刺原定的选秀计划之中
我们又怎麽能说当年交易掉他是失败的呢? (马刺是帮太阳选他的耶 ╮(﹀_﹀")╭)
小乌被我认为失败是因为他已被证实无法在队中当个称值的替补 PG (第一轮选的....)
Scola 与 Javtokas 则是尚未有机会证明实力,又是第二轮末端才选到的球员
两者的基本情况不同无法相提并论,更何况我说的是选秀「养成」失败而不是单指选秀
姑且不论 Varejao、Duhon 在当年的选秀前测试评估上是否有比小乌优异
在选秀会上球队应该做的是把握自己的顺位去选一名符合队形需求、建军计画的球员
而不是去选一名不符合自身需求的优秀球员 (老梗 → 火箭选了美梦没选乔神)
况且他们两人也是花了骑士、公牛不少时间去培养之後才有现在的成果
我实在不知道为什麽要拿他队球员来和马刺自己所选的球员来比较哩....^^a
12F:推 fracs:我相信小乌 他一定有大放异彩的一天 05/09 00:40
13F:推 TimChiu:最近五年选的有点糟 05/09 07:29
14F:推 tzengagan:最近五年选秀似乎有点糟糕~是因为制服组被挖角的关系吗 05/09 08:44
15F:推 joumay:板大打算拖到六月底才写....其心可议啊.................. 05/09 10:57
16F:→ iris0108:我觉得其他人表现好是因为他们队伍有让他表现 而小乌少上 05/09 11:21
17F:→ iris0108:场 几乎都是让他打垃圾时间 锻链不够 05/09 11:22
我觉得这是个很有趣的问题:
到底是小乌的上场时间影响了表现呢?还是他的表现影响了上场时间呢?
在我看来答案应该是後者,Pop 其实已经给过他很多机会了说........
每人的看法不尽相同是常有的事,欢迎大家提出更多看法 ^^
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