作者willyt (优质ㄌㄔ世界一流)
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标题[外电] 问题在於我们失去了鼠王
时间Fri Jan 13 05:46:19 2012
by Brian Ward
via Depressed Fan
http://www.depressedfan.com/basketball/sixers/spence-was-missed.php
我简单翻译,辞意不到请见谅。
It's hard to believe, but had Spencer Hawes played last night,
the Sixers very well may have come away with a win. I'm not
even talking about the super-human Spencer Hawes who hit two
thirds of his shots over the first six games and grabbed a ton
of defensive boards. I mean if they even just had last
season's version of their big man, they might've pulled this
one out.
The Sixers didn't lose this game on the defensive end, in
fact, they were awesome defensively (especially Iguodala).
They didn't lose the game on the glass, either (75.7%). They
lost it on the offensive end.
虽然知道说出来很雷人,
但是只要 Spence 今天有出场,这场一定能赢球。
本季我一直没有机会谈论 Super Spence 的优秀表现,
前六场在他还没受伤之前,他有着接近 2/3 的命中率(awesome!!),
而且能够拉下一大堆的防守篮板。
如果他是去年的死耗子,那我想他早就应该被抽出 rotation 了。
七六人昨天艰难的失败并不是肇因在防守端
(按:除了一开始的失分,但是直到终场之前我们都看到了靠北的防守
也许我更相信这是不得已一定要让 Battie 上场的关系XD)
我们有着非常可怕的防守表现,尤其是 Iggy 对上 Melo 的防守。
而大部分的人可能认为我们输在禁区的篮板,
尤其在他们的名字一字排开很吓人的情况下,
但是昨天我们的防守篮板率是 75.7%,
显然高於联盟平均。
问题在进攻端。
(按:Brian 的 game review 也有提到Iggy对上Melo的表现,
我引一下,上个色,这不是主文。
反正 NBA 版永远不相信 Iguodala 每场都贡献可怕的防守
提供一下参考而已。)
> The stat line ESPN will report for Melo is 27 points, 9
> boards. Which looks awesome, and makes it seem like he won the
> battle with Iguodala. Of course, on the night Melo shot 9/24
> from the floor and turned the ball over 5 times. For seven of
> his points (a three in the first, with Jodie guarding him for
> some reason, 2 free throws Melo got for stepping on Thad, and
> an intentional foul committed at the end of the game),
> Iguodala wasn't even on him. If you really want to look at
> what happened in that battle, Melo scored 20 points on 23
> shots and 4 free throw attempts. Iguodala was a man tonight.
> 如果你只看 boxscores 你可能会觉得 Melo 彻底征服了 Iguodala
> 他有着看起来很漂亮的 27 分 9 篮板。
> 但再仔细看下去,他的 Field Goal 是 9/24
> 而且他失误了五次。
> 他有七分是在 Iguodala 没有对上他所造成的,
> 包括 Jodie 莫名其妙的对上他被他射下三分,
> 对上 Thad 单打的两次罚球,
> 以及最後冻结时间关头的故意犯规两分
> 而其他的时间,都是 Iguodala 对他形影不离。
> 如果你想知道真正发生了什麽事情,我可以跟你说
> Melo 剩下的 20 分来自 23 次出手加上四次的罚球。
> 这代表什麽,就请看官自己看了,或者去下载 PHI @ NYK 的第四节来看
> 我相信你会看到一些什麽。
Now whether this is a good idea on the offensive end or not, a
lot of the Sixers sets are built around Hawes' ability to pass
out of the high post. Everyone is familiar with the backdoor
passes he connects on once in a while, but that's really the
window dressing. The important thing about those sets is that
it gets guys moving off the ball, and movement off the ball is
the key to getting open shots. Think about it, for a second.
When Hawes gets that pass, almost always have two of your
offensive threats making hard cuts. One guy is always cutting
toward Hawes, to take the hand-off or give him an outlet,
while another guy is cutting through the lane, then circling
out to the weak side, possibly for an open jumper from the
wing. When that action happens, you've got defenders moving
and adjusting, and when you're talking about playing a team
who always has at least two minus defenders on the floor,
well, you're talking about easy hoops.
就不论这是不是个好主意,
但是七六人有大量的 set plays 是奠基在 Hawes 的高位处理球上面(!!)
当鼠王拿球站在高位的时候,
几乎所有人都看过他传给 backdoor cut 的七六人後场球员
(按: like this
http://tinyurl.com/7f5tjst )
但这只是一部分外显的冰山一角。
最重要的是,这些以Hawes在高位 Shallow cut 设计的战术,
让大家都能够在不持球的情况下持续流动,也让球不停的在流动。
而只要持续流动我们就能够得到好的出手机会。
再多回想一次,当 Hawes 能够传球的时候,至少有两个後场球员正在cutting
其中一个是在强边作各项的cutting (backdoor, give 'n goal, UCLA 等等),
拿到球就能直接攻击篮框。
另外一个则是在弱边绕出来作接球(L-cut, Curl cut 等等)
通常他能在侧翼拿到一个 wide-open jumper
如果你要说:之前我们赢球的球队通常有两个人在伤害防守端,
那那个是easy hoop,并不是我们正在讨论的范围,
靠场上所有球员满出来的脑浆就够了。
Collins simply didn't have that weapon in his arsenal last
night. Vucevic wasn't going to do it with Chandler guarding
him, and it's not really Brand's game. Instead, we saw some
two-man game with Brand/AI9, we saw a handful of perimeter
screens, designed to get the Knicks to switch. We saw Turner
running off of curls every once in a while, and we even saw a
couple of pick-and-rolls, but mostly what we saw was isolation
basketball. Essentially, it was "if all else fails, go
one-on-one." And last night, "all else" was failing, for the
most part.
但是昨天 Doug 显然没有办法使用这样武器,
Voose 在具长久经验的 Chandler 的防守之下,
并没办法作到一样的事情 (意思是 Voose 显然还是适合使用在second unit)
而 Brand 是个 mid-post operator, 在高位打开进攻不是他所习惯的。
我们昨天看到 AI9 跟 Brand 的双人配合,
我们看到很多让尼克不得不做 switch 的双档,
我们也看到 Evan Turner 善用 curl cut 攻击篮框,
我们还是看到很多pick 'n roll,
但是基本上我们看到了更多的失败来自 isolation game.
而其他七六人本季赖以维持进攻效率的优秀部份完全消失。
I have to believe the long scoreless stretches wouldn't have
happened if Collins could've fallen back on the set with
Spence at the elbow, looking for cutters, and the
opportunities that set opens up. Without a guy like Durant who
can iso and score efficiently, or a guy like Howard, who you
can dump the ball down to in the post whenever you need
points, the Sixers really need an old faithful in terms of a
play that knocks them out of offensive ruts. Something that
gets them moving their feet, and moving toward the hoop. Last
night, that was desperately missing.
我必须相信这样长期的得分乾旱不会发生在能够有Spence在的高位体系上。
我们并没有一个可以长期使用 iso 可以维持高效率的球员(like Durant)
我们也没有一个低位的强势 iso 进攻点(Like howard)
这样的球员可以自行运作且高效率的取分。
但七六人的进攻必须依赖传统的篮球哲学,
多跑动,多流动,但是昨天晚上我们看不到。
--
我的心得其实也是如此,
其实我不相信 Spence 跟 Brand 在对抗中可以抵销 Tyson 跟 Amare,
但是这不是问题,因为 Spence 跟 Brand 可以作高低中锋,
而更多的後场球员在无数的 cutting 当中有机会攻击篮框,
这对於 Amare 跟 Tyson 直觉式的 weak side help 来讲都不好应付,
我们「原本就是」个防守强队,今天遇到 Melo, Amare 就能看出来
其实我们遇到真正的 All-star threat 并不会吃亏太多,
问题是整个进攻少了具有 high basketball IQ 的鼠王的时候,
剩下的球员没办法自行运作。
但是:今年不行,不代表以後不行,
我们最大的资产是年轻,其他 Turner 跟 Jrue 能真正变成 go-to guy 的一天。
但是至少今年,尼克绝对不是比七六人好的球队,
C's 也不会是。
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※ 编辑: willyt 来自: 111.243.217.60 (01/13 05:55)
1F:推 WBYY:Melo 命中率3成75 罚球多半是最後送上去的 01/13 06:08
2F:→ willyt:就是有像是Jefa一样看到Melo拿个人能力脑充血一节就很爽 01/13 06:48
3F:→ willyt:第四节明明被守到打得像渣一样 01/13 06:48
4F:→ willyt:第四节影片贴在下面,反正我想他是不会看啦 01/13 06:49
5F:→ willyt:boxscore最高阿 ^.< 01/13 06:49
6F:→ willyt:他们的「Go-to guy」第四节最後六分钟一个FG都没有, 01/13 07:04
7F:→ willyt:然後Jefa讲得他很神一样 ^.< 01/13 07:05
8F:→ willyt:最後剩下26秒连续两次传不出去最後二十四秒进攻违例的 01/13 07:05
9F:→ willyt:好像就叫做 Carmelo Anthony 嘛 01/13 07:05
10F:→ willyt:再加上一次跳投直接一掌被拍然後 jump for traveling 01/13 07:06
11F:→ willyt:好强大的明星球员,Carmelo Anthony`~~~ 01/13 07:06
12F:→ willyt:领先十七分都能丢掉,明星球员无误! 01/13 07:09
13F:推 WBYY:Jefa说什麽都不意外阿 跳针王 01/13 07:15
14F:→ willyt:All credit for Andre Iguodala. 01/13 07:17
※ 编辑: willyt 来自: 111.243.217.60 (01/13 07:30)
15F:推 Jefa910:别输球就把气发泄在别人身上阿 无不无聊 01/13 09:37
16F:→ willyt:我讲的是事实阿,本版不欢迎没有讨论内容的无脑推文。 01/13 10:14