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帮补原文连结 http://ppt.cc/Gc4U 顺便重新解释一下 Sickels 的分级标准 Grade A 新秀中的佼佼者,有机会成为明星或看板。 只要没有伤痛困扰的话,这些新秀几乎都能在大联盟占有一席之地。 Grade B 有的会成为明星,拥有不错的球员生涯;有的不会。 未来这些新秀,至少能当个龙套,在大联盟混个几年球季。 Geade C 最常见的类型。 这种新秀有些可取之处,但同时也有一些会让他们看起来离大联盟很远的问题。 少数(特别是在低阶的)人可以长成球星。 C级的新秀可能成为板凳或功能性球员,也有很多根本上不了大联盟。 每个层级的分类还有一些差别。 我的评比算是严苛的,C+算不错了,有些C+(尤其是低阶)的最後也长得不错。 最後请记得,这些都只是简略的评比而已,详细内容还是要看球探报告比较好。 菜鸟联盟的 Grade C 或许将来会很强悍,但三A的 Grade C 大概就只能那样了。 以下简单翻一下,有兴趣或疑虑的话大家自己看原文 XD ※ 引述《MattSzczur (凯萨大帝)》之铭言: : 1) Trevor Story, SS, Grade B+: Borderline A-: I want to see how his contact : issues look against better pitching, but overall there are a lot of things to : like here. . .power, speed, walks, defense, a complete package if the : strikeouts don't eat him up. I don't expect they will. Ranks a bit ahead of : Dahl due to defensive premium. 1) Trevor Story, SS, B+ ~ A- (今年开季20岁, 2012层级A) 他有很多优点:打击power、速度、保送、防守。 但他的contact是个大问题,若能克服被三振太多的这个麻烦,他就是完全体了。 排名比Dahl前面的原因是他防守的潜能较好。 : 2) David Dahl, OF, Grade B+: Borderline A-. Almost went with the A-, but Story : needs to rank ahead due to defensive premium and longer track record. I like : them both. Like Story, Dahl can be a complete offensive player with power, : speed, and defensive contributions. I just want to see him outside the Pioneer : League. 2) David Dahl, OF, B+ ~ A- (今年开季19岁, 2012层级R) 跟 Story 一样,爆发力、脚程、守备都很好。 迫不及待看他在更高阶联盟的表现了。 : 3) Nolan Arenado, 3B; Grade B+: Glove is very good, should be a solid but not : outstanding hitter in a neutral environment, say .275/.330/.450, however Coors : Field should play to his strengths and goose those numbers. 3) Nolan Arenado, 3B, B+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级AA) 防守很棒,打击稳定但无法太抢眼,大概像 .275/.330/.450 这种数字。 不过在裤儿湿球场的话应该能再好看一点吧。 : 4) Kyle Parker, OF, Grade B: Made very good progress cutting down on his : strikeouts and improving plate discipline, and I don't think his power was a : Cal League illusion. Not a .300 hitter in a neutral environment, but should be : a 20+ homer guy. 4) Kyle Parker, OF, B (今年开季23岁, 2012层级A+) 进步很多的一个球季,三振大幅减少,打击耐心也提升很多, 我认为他展现出来的爆发力是真货。 不是一个3成打者,但是他可以稳定缴出20轰。 : 5) Edwar Cabrera, LHP, Grade B-: He's got that killer changeup, low-90s : fastball, and a decent-enough curve, plus he pitched well in Colorado Springs. : Whether that's enough to survive Coors, I don't know, but in a neutral : environment I think he'd be a solid fourth starter. 5) Edwar Cabrera, LHP, B- (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AA、AAA、MLB) 很杀的变速球,low-90s速球,不错的曲球,在3A丢得不错 (译注:3A球场比Coors还要偏打者) 我不知道这样够不够在裤儿湿生存啦,但在其他地方可以当个不错的四号了。 : 6) Eddie Butler, RHP, Grade B-: Sinker/slider combo with velocity plus movement : gave him 2.13 ERA with 55/13 K/BB, 1.96 GO/AO in the Pioneer League. Poor : changeup may limit him to relief at higher levels, but if it comes around he : could be a number three starter. 6) Eddie Butler, RHP, B- (今年开季22岁, 2012层级R) 球速、伸卡球、滑球、尾劲等等让他今年在菜鸟联盟投得很杀。 糟糕的变速球可能会让他在高阶联盟无法胜任後援的工作, 不过若能克服这个,他将会成为一个三号先发。 : 7) Tyler Anderson, LHP, Grade B-: Average fastball but excellent changeup and : control resulted in 2.47 ERA in Low-A, 81/28 K/BB in 120 innings. Breaking ball : is so-so and limits his strikeout potential. Projects as a number four starter. 7) Tyler Anderson, LHP, B- (今年开季23岁, 2012层级A) 中等的速球、出色的变速球和控球,在低A投得不错。 普普的变化球限制了他的三振功力,大概是个四号投手。 : 8) Corey Dickerson, OF, Grade B-: At some point people just have to admit that : the guy can hit, mediocre tools and middling glove aside. May not be a big : batting average guy, but the power is real in my view. 8) Corey Dickerson, OF, B- (今年开季24岁, 2012层级A+、AA) 打击可能没办法很好,但power是真货。 : 9) Tyler Matzek, LHP, Grade C+: Stuff isn't the problem, but will his command : ever be good enough for the stuff to matter? I have no idea. Grade A arm, but : Grade C/D+ in the control and consistency departments. 9) Tyler Matzek, LHP, C+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级A+) A级的手臂和stuff。 但是无论控球、command、稳定度都属C/D级, 我也不知道他到底有没有办法把他们进步到足以和stuff相衬。 : 10) Rafael Ortega, OF, Grade C+: Line drive hitter with amazing defensive : skills, but needs to prove that his bat will hold up against advanced pitching. : Double-A will tell us if he can be a possible regular or just a good fourth : outfielder. 10) Rafael Ortega, OF, C+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级A+、MLB) 平飞球打者,防守技巧高超。 不过他的打击还需要在2A精进,否则他就只能是个四号外野手。 : 11) Chad Bettis, RHP, Grade C+: Missed entire season with shoulder problems. : He's a solid Grade B prospect if healthy, as a mid-rotation starter or (more : probably) a relief option and potential closer due to his issues with the : changeup. Both fastball and slider are plus/plus pitches. 11) Chad Bettis, RHP, C+ (今年开季24岁, 2011层级A+) 因为肩膀伤势报销2012球季,他健康的时候会是个很好的B级新秀。 速球和滑球都属上乘,但变速球问题使他最多能成为中段轮值或终结者。 : 12) Tom Murphy, C, Grade C+: Third round pick from University of Buffalo is : somewhat raw as college players go, but is athletic, has power, and unlike Will : Swanner he'll stay at catcher. 12) Tom Murphy, C, C+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级A-) 有爆发力,是块运动员的料,不过还没完全适应职业球赛。 他应该会继续蹲捕,不像下面那位 Will Swanner 。 : 13) Will Swanner, C, Grade C+: Enormous power, 30-homer potential, but his : strikeout problems (101 in 325 AB) may preclude batting average/OBP against : better pitching. His defense is terrible, caught 10% of runners and gave up 120 : stolen bases in 75 games behind the plate in Low-A. 13) Will Swanner, C, C+ (今年开季21岁, 2012层级A) 惊人的power有着30轰的潜力,但超高的三振率会限制他的 AVG & OBP。 他的防守暴烂,在低阶1A的75场蹲捕中,被盗了110个垒,阻杀率只有10趴。 (译注:他另外有13场是以DH身分出赛) : 14) Ryan Wheeler, 3B-1B, Grade C+: Acquired in trade with Diamondbacks. : Adequate glove at third could keep position warm until Arenado is ready. Bat is : average with decent power and should play well in Coors. 14) Ryan Wheeler, 3B-1B, C+ (今年开季24岁, 2012层级AAA、MLB) 用 Matt Reynolds 从小蛇队换来的。 在Arenado上来之前,他可以胜任三垒的防守工作。 打击中等、power不赖,应该能在裤儿湿打得不错。 : 15) Tim Wheeler, OF, Grade C+: Hamate injury sapped power, hit just two homers : in Triple-A after knocking 33 in Double-A in 2011. True level of talent is : somewhere in between. Has problems hitting lefties, solid glove, platoon/fourth : outfielder profile. 15) Tim Wheeler, OF, C+ (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AAA) 手部钩骨的伤势导致他的power一落千丈,2011年打33发,2012只有2发。 不善打左投,防守好,四号外野或platoon。 : 16) Jayson Aquino, LHP, Grade C+: Highly projectable lefty made brief but : successful debut in Pioneer League (1.87 ERA in 43 innings) after dominating : Dominican Summer League. 88-92 now with more heat possible, has a good : changeup, working on breaking stuff, just turned 20. 16) Jayson Aquino, LHP, C+ (今年开季20岁, 2012层级R) 才要20岁而已,变速球不赖,速球和球质都在精进中。 : 17) Rob Scahill, RHP, Grade C+: Easy to overlook due to 5.68 ERA in Triple-A, : but that's Colorado Springs and his FIP was two runs lower. Quality : fastball/sinker/slider combination could be useful in pen if command is there, : could also be fifth starter. 17) Rob Scahill, RHP, C+ (今年开季26岁, 2012层级AAA) 在AAA的成绩没有帐面上的惨,fastball/sinker/slider在牛棚会有点用,或是当个五号。 : 18) Joe Gardner, RHP, Grade C+: Another sinkerballer with 2.04 GO/AO in : Double-A, should see the majors sometime this year. Like Scahill, he could be a : back-end starter or a reliever that you can stretch out more than one inning. 18) Joe Gardner, RHP, C+ (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AA) 又一个滚滚投手,今年应该会上来露脸。 和 Rob Scahill 一样,可能支援先发或是较长的中继。 : 19) Danny Rosenbaum, LHP, Grade C+: Rule 5 pick from Nationals could stick in : bullpen with a chance to start at some point given good durability history, : control, and ground ball tendency (2.29 GO/AO in Double-A). We should sense a : theme here with sinker specialists Rosenbaum, Gardner, and Scahill all in line : for trials. 19) Danny Rosenbaum, LHP, C+ (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AA) 用规则五选秀从国民队挑来的左投,也是个滚滚人,定位和前两位差不多。 : 20) Wilfredo Rodriguez, C, Grade C+: Seventh round pick out of high school in : Puerto Rico is stocky at 5-10, 200, but quite mobile, should develop into a : good defensive catcher, has power potential, hit .319/.370/.452 in Pioneer : League. Long-term prospect but quite interesting. 20) Wilfredo Rodriguez, C, C+ (今年开季19岁, 2012层级R) 有点长打潜力,或许会是个防守好的捕手。 值得长期培养的年轻新秀。 : OTHER GRADE C+ PLAYERS: Cristhian Adames, SS; Rosell Herrera, INF; Seth : Willoughby, RHP. These guys could easily slot in the 16-20 range but I wanted : to highlight guys closer to the majors. 其他 C+ Cristhian Adames, SS Rosell Herrera, INF Seth Willoughby, RHP 其实他们也能轻易排进16~20名的位置,不过我比较聚焦在接近大联盟层级的球员。 : OTHERS: Charlie Culberson, 2B; Taylor Featherston, INF; Ryan Garvey, OF; Angel : Lezama, RHP; Kent Matthes, OF; Sam Mende, INF; Scott Oberg, RHP; Jeff Popick, : OF; Harold Riggins, 1B; Helmis Rodriguez, LHP; Antonio Senzatela, RHP; Peter : Tago, RHP; Ryan Warner, RHP; Max White, OF; Danny Winkler, RHP; Julian Yan, OF. : As everyone knows, the Rockies have a unique challenge in developing players : for the extreme offensive conditions in Coors Field. 大家都知道落矶的裤儿湿是个极端打者球场,要养成新秀有其难度。 : The strength is the hitting at the top of the system. Aside from a poor July, : Arenado's 2012 season was in line with what he did in 2011 once league contexts : are considered. His glove is coming along nicely and he should be a productive : hitter, if a bit short of stardom. Story and Dahl have a few questions to : answer, but if things go well both can be A-grade prospects a year from now. I : am pro-Parker, so at the top of the chart you have four players who should be : solid regulars at least and possibly (probably?) more. Dickerson, Ortega, and : both Wheelers should all be valuable role players of some variety. There are : also some interesting middle infield types with unproven bats to provide some : depth beyond Story. I also like the catching depth, even if I doubt Swanner : behind the plate both Murphy and Wilfredo Rodriguez from the 2012 draft are : very promising. 农场顶端的优势还是打者。 抛开糟糕的七月,Arenado 的表现和 2011 相差不大,他的防守越来越好,在攻击面也能 有稳定的输出,虽然可能不够好。 Story 和 Dahl 都有些问题要解决,若是搞定的话他们明年就会晋升为A级新秀。 Dickerson, Ortega, 两位 Wheeler 都会有点用处。 在 Story 後面还有一些棒子尚未开窍的MI。 捕手深度不错,Murphy、Rodriguez 两位大有可为,但我怀疑 Swanner 的防守。 : Things are tougher on the pitching side. The most advanced pitching prospect is : Cabrera, who is unconventional but successful, though whether that will work in : Coors is unknown. Matzek and Bettis have higher upside, but Tyler's command : troubles are legendary and Chad's shoulder is worrisome for me until he proves : his health. Both could thrive, both could bust. We need higher level data from : Butler and Anderson but neither of them have done anything wrong yet. Products : of the Latin American program like Aquino and the successful pitchers in the : Dominican Summer League like Rodriguez and Senzatela need innings but could be : breaktroughs in the lower levels of the system. There is quite a bit of : material that could fit in a bullpen, much of it close to the majors. 但是在投手这方面就麻烦多了。 最成功的 Cabrera 能不能在裤儿湿生存还是未定之天。 Matzek 和 Bettis 有很高的天赋,但 Matzek 的command已经是史诗级的麻烦; Bettis 的 肩伤也让人担忧。他们可能一飞冲天,也可能会化成灰烬。 Butler 和 Anderson 还需要更高阶的比赛来观察,目前为止没什麽大问题。 拉美投手如 Antonio Senzatela、Helmis Rodriguez、Jayson Aquino 都还需要再磨练, 预期他们在低阶联盟会有所突破。 有足够的 MLB-ready 投手可以支援牛棚。 : In short, the Rockies system has some weak points and needs some pitchers with : fewer question-marks, but there is positional depth that many teams would envy, : especially at the top. 简而言之,落矶农场有些弱点而且急需好投手, 不过在农场前段,也拥有让其他球队称羡的野手深度。 心得: 和前几年的名单相比就知道,这系统中的投打养成都出了些问题 这个球季最大的亮点当属Story、Dahl,以及几乎是起死回生的Friedrich 除此之外简直乏善可陈 不是养坏,就是没有如预期进步 Tyler Matzek 的command Nolan Arenado 的power Chad Bettis 痛痛 Tim Wheeler 受伤後大退步 Peter Tago ..... Kent Matthes...... 其他表现不错的多半开窍太慢 高阶的进步有限,年轻的还太嫩看不出什麽天花板 我们最需要的位置是先发投手和三垒手 再比照一下这农场,有办法期待能成为实质战力的新人真的没几个 几笔交易,上没补到洞,下没加深度 实在难以教人对这个冬天的动作感到满意 --



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◆ From: 118.170.185.159 ※ 编辑: Tulowitzki2 来自: 118.170.185.159 (01/16 07:18)
1F:推 goopa:感谢分享!! 01/16 12:44
2F:推 goopa:Ryan Wheeler bat average with decent power 01/16 12:48
3F:→ goopa:这边好像是说Wheeler是安打型球员,但炮瓦也还不错... 01/16 12:49
4F:→ goopa:他去年六月在3A雷诺队单月打了50支安打,打击率四成四二... 01/16 12:50
5F:→ goopa:我猜今年开季3B应该就是他跟Pacheco竞争 01/16 12:54
6F:→ goopa:两个人contact都不错,或许Pacheco的contact更好一些 01/16 12:55
7F:→ goopa:但Wheeler的三垒守备更好,而且有三垒平均水准的炮瓦 01/16 12:56
8F:→ goopa:如果能有500AB的话,在库尔斯的加持下或许可以有15~20HR... 01/16 12:56
9F:推 goopa:我把bat is 看成bat for是我搞错了 01/16 15:28
10F:→ goopa:1原po翻的才是对的,是我脑补了,抱歉。 :( 01/16 15:30
11F:→ Tulowitzki2:春训再看看吧 说不定Arenado刚开季手感就很棒 01/16 19:13
12F:→ Tulowitzki2:但他应该还是会在AAA开季,除非另两个3B有人受伤 01/16 19:19
13F:推 ByronBuxton:David Dahl!! 01/16 23:31
14F:→ ByronBuxton:Grade:6 bat, 55 power, 6 run, 5 D in CF, 65 arm. 01/16 23:31
15F:→ Tulowitzki2:有人比做臂力强很多但power稍差的Damon 01/16 23:52
16F:推 ygjhsu:臂力强很多XDDD 01/17 21:51
17F:推 ByronBuxton:BA排Arenado为NO.1 prospect,tools太强大了 01/21 22:28







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