作者Tulowitzki2 (屠龙)
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标题Re: [情报] Colorado Rockies Top 20 Prospects
时间Wed Jan 16 07:09:49 2013
帮补原文连结
http://ppt.cc/Gc4U
顺便重新解释一下 Sickels 的分级标准
Grade A
新秀中的佼佼者,有机会成为明星或看板。
只要没有伤痛困扰的话,这些新秀几乎都能在大联盟占有一席之地。
Grade B
有的会成为明星,拥有不错的球员生涯;有的不会。
未来这些新秀,至少能当个龙套,在大联盟混个几年球季。
Geade C
最常见的类型。
这种新秀有些可取之处,但同时也有一些会让他们看起来离大联盟很远的问题。
少数(特别是在低阶的)人可以长成球星。
C级的新秀可能成为板凳或功能性球员,也有很多根本上不了大联盟。
每个层级的分类还有一些差别。
我的评比算是严苛的,C+算不错了,有些C+(尤其是低阶)的最後也长得不错。
最後请记得,这些都只是简略的评比而已,详细内容还是要看球探报告比较好。
菜鸟联盟的 Grade C 或许将来会很强悍,但三A的 Grade C 大概就只能那样了。
以下简单翻一下,有兴趣或疑虑的话大家自己看原文 XD
※ 引述《MattSzczur (凯萨大帝)》之铭言:
: 1) Trevor Story, SS, Grade B+: Borderline A-: I want to see how his contact
: issues look against better pitching, but overall there are a lot of things to
: like here. . .power, speed, walks, defense, a complete package if the
: strikeouts don't eat him up. I don't expect they will. Ranks a bit ahead of
: Dahl due to defensive premium.
1) Trevor Story, SS, B+ ~ A- (今年开季20岁, 2012层级A)
他有很多优点:打击power、速度、保送、防守。
但他的contact是个大问题,若能克服被三振太多的这个麻烦,他就是完全体了。
排名比Dahl前面的原因是他防守的潜能较好。
: 2) David Dahl, OF, Grade B+: Borderline A-. Almost went with the A-, but Story
: needs to rank ahead due to defensive premium and longer track record. I like
: them both. Like Story, Dahl can be a complete offensive player with power,
: speed, and defensive contributions. I just want to see him outside the Pioneer
: League.
2) David Dahl, OF, B+ ~ A- (今年开季19岁, 2012层级R)
跟 Story 一样,爆发力、脚程、守备都很好。
迫不及待看他在更高阶联盟的表现了。
: 3) Nolan Arenado, 3B; Grade B+: Glove is very good, should be a solid but not
: outstanding hitter in a neutral environment, say .275/.330/.450, however Coors
: Field should play to his strengths and goose those numbers.
3) Nolan Arenado, 3B, B+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级AA)
防守很棒,打击稳定但无法太抢眼,大概像 .275/.330/.450 这种数字。
不过在裤儿湿球场的话应该能再好看一点吧。
: 4) Kyle Parker, OF, Grade B: Made very good progress cutting down on his
: strikeouts and improving plate discipline, and I don't think his power was a
: Cal League illusion. Not a .300 hitter in a neutral environment, but should be
: a 20+ homer guy.
4) Kyle Parker, OF, B (今年开季23岁, 2012层级A+)
进步很多的一个球季,三振大幅减少,打击耐心也提升很多,
我认为他展现出来的爆发力是真货。
不是一个3成打者,但是他可以稳定缴出20轰。
: 5) Edwar Cabrera, LHP, Grade B-: He's got that killer changeup, low-90s
: fastball, and a decent-enough curve, plus he pitched well in Colorado Springs.
: Whether that's enough to survive Coors, I don't know, but in a neutral
: environment I think he'd be a solid fourth starter.
5) Edwar Cabrera, LHP, B- (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AA、AAA、MLB)
很杀的变速球,low-90s速球,不错的曲球,在3A丢得不错
(译注:3A球场比Coors还要偏打者)
我不知道这样够不够在裤儿湿生存啦,但在其他地方可以当个不错的四号了。
: 6) Eddie Butler, RHP, Grade B-: Sinker/slider combo with velocity plus movement
: gave him 2.13 ERA with 55/13 K/BB, 1.96 GO/AO in the Pioneer League. Poor
: changeup may limit him to relief at higher levels, but if it comes around he
: could be a number three starter.
6) Eddie Butler, RHP, B- (今年开季22岁, 2012层级R)
球速、伸卡球、滑球、尾劲等等让他今年在菜鸟联盟投得很杀。
糟糕的变速球可能会让他在高阶联盟无法胜任後援的工作,
不过若能克服这个,他将会成为一个三号先发。
: 7) Tyler Anderson, LHP, Grade B-: Average fastball but excellent changeup and
: control resulted in 2.47 ERA in Low-A, 81/28 K/BB in 120 innings. Breaking ball
: is so-so and limits his strikeout potential. Projects as a number four starter.
7) Tyler Anderson, LHP, B- (今年开季23岁, 2012层级A)
中等的速球、出色的变速球和控球,在低A投得不错。
普普的变化球限制了他的三振功力,大概是个四号投手。
: 8) Corey Dickerson, OF, Grade B-: At some point people just have to admit that
: the guy can hit, mediocre tools and middling glove aside. May not be a big
: batting average guy, but the power is real in my view.
8) Corey Dickerson, OF, B- (今年开季24岁, 2012层级A+、AA)
打击可能没办法很好,但power是真货。
: 9) Tyler Matzek, LHP, Grade C+: Stuff isn't the problem, but will his command
: ever be good enough for the stuff to matter? I have no idea. Grade A arm, but
: Grade C/D+ in the control and consistency departments.
9) Tyler Matzek, LHP, C+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级A+)
A级的手臂和stuff。
但是无论控球、command、稳定度都属C/D级,
我也不知道他到底有没有办法把他们进步到足以和stuff相衬。
: 10) Rafael Ortega, OF, Grade C+: Line drive hitter with amazing defensive
: skills, but needs to prove that his bat will hold up against advanced pitching.
: Double-A will tell us if he can be a possible regular or just a good fourth
: outfielder.
10) Rafael Ortega, OF, C+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级A+、MLB)
平飞球打者,防守技巧高超。
不过他的打击还需要在2A精进,否则他就只能是个四号外野手。
: 11) Chad Bettis, RHP, Grade C+: Missed entire season with shoulder problems.
: He's a solid Grade B prospect if healthy, as a mid-rotation starter or (more
: probably) a relief option and potential closer due to his issues with the
: changeup. Both fastball and slider are plus/plus pitches.
11) Chad Bettis, RHP, C+ (今年开季24岁, 2011层级A+)
因为肩膀伤势报销2012球季,他健康的时候会是个很好的B级新秀。
速球和滑球都属上乘,但变速球问题使他最多能成为中段轮值或终结者。
: 12) Tom Murphy, C, Grade C+: Third round pick from University of Buffalo is
: somewhat raw as college players go, but is athletic, has power, and unlike Will
: Swanner he'll stay at catcher.
12) Tom Murphy, C, C+ (今年开季22岁, 2012层级A-)
有爆发力,是块运动员的料,不过还没完全适应职业球赛。
他应该会继续蹲捕,不像下面那位 Will Swanner 。
: 13) Will Swanner, C, Grade C+: Enormous power, 30-homer potential, but his
: strikeout problems (101 in 325 AB) may preclude batting average/OBP against
: better pitching. His defense is terrible, caught 10% of runners and gave up 120
: stolen bases in 75 games behind the plate in Low-A.
13) Will Swanner, C, C+ (今年开季21岁, 2012层级A)
惊人的power有着30轰的潜力,但超高的三振率会限制他的 AVG & OBP。
他的防守暴烂,在低阶1A的75场蹲捕中,被盗了110个垒,阻杀率只有10趴。
(译注:他另外有13场是以DH身分出赛)
: 14) Ryan Wheeler, 3B-1B, Grade C+: Acquired in trade with Diamondbacks.
: Adequate glove at third could keep position warm until Arenado is ready. Bat is
: average with decent power and should play well in Coors.
14) Ryan Wheeler, 3B-1B, C+ (今年开季24岁, 2012层级AAA、MLB)
用 Matt Reynolds 从小蛇队换来的。
在Arenado上来之前,他可以胜任三垒的防守工作。
打击中等、power不赖,应该能在裤儿湿打得不错。
: 15) Tim Wheeler, OF, Grade C+: Hamate injury sapped power, hit just two homers
: in Triple-A after knocking 33 in Double-A in 2011. True level of talent is
: somewhere in between. Has problems hitting lefties, solid glove, platoon/fourth
: outfielder profile.
15) Tim Wheeler, OF, C+ (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AAA)
手部钩骨的伤势导致他的power一落千丈,2011年打33发,2012只有2发。
不善打左投,防守好,四号外野或platoon。
: 16) Jayson Aquino, LHP, Grade C+: Highly projectable lefty made brief but
: successful debut in Pioneer League (1.87 ERA in 43 innings) after dominating
: Dominican Summer League. 88-92 now with more heat possible, has a good
: changeup, working on breaking stuff, just turned 20.
16) Jayson Aquino, LHP, C+ (今年开季20岁, 2012层级R)
才要20岁而已,变速球不赖,速球和球质都在精进中。
: 17) Rob Scahill, RHP, Grade C+: Easy to overlook due to 5.68 ERA in Triple-A,
: but that's Colorado Springs and his FIP was two runs lower. Quality
: fastball/sinker/slider combination could be useful in pen if command is there,
: could also be fifth starter.
17) Rob Scahill, RHP, C+ (今年开季26岁, 2012层级AAA)
在AAA的成绩没有帐面上的惨,fastball/sinker/slider在牛棚会有点用,或是当个五号。
: 18) Joe Gardner, RHP, Grade C+: Another sinkerballer with 2.04 GO/AO in
: Double-A, should see the majors sometime this year. Like Scahill, he could be a
: back-end starter or a reliever that you can stretch out more than one inning.
18) Joe Gardner, RHP, C+ (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AA)
又一个滚滚投手,今年应该会上来露脸。
和 Rob Scahill 一样,可能支援先发或是较长的中继。
: 19) Danny Rosenbaum, LHP, Grade C+: Rule 5 pick from Nationals could stick in
: bullpen with a chance to start at some point given good durability history,
: control, and ground ball tendency (2.29 GO/AO in Double-A). We should sense a
: theme here with sinker specialists Rosenbaum, Gardner, and Scahill all in line
: for trials.
19) Danny Rosenbaum, LHP, C+ (今年开季25岁, 2012层级AA)
用规则五选秀从国民队挑来的左投,也是个滚滚人,定位和前两位差不多。
: 20) Wilfredo Rodriguez, C, Grade C+: Seventh round pick out of high school in
: Puerto Rico is stocky at 5-10, 200, but quite mobile, should develop into a
: good defensive catcher, has power potential, hit .319/.370/.452 in Pioneer
: League. Long-term prospect but quite interesting.
20) Wilfredo Rodriguez, C, C+ (今年开季19岁, 2012层级R)
有点长打潜力,或许会是个防守好的捕手。
值得长期培养的年轻新秀。
: OTHER GRADE C+ PLAYERS: Cristhian Adames, SS; Rosell Herrera, INF; Seth
: Willoughby, RHP. These guys could easily slot in the 16-20 range but I wanted
: to highlight guys closer to the majors.
其他 C+
Cristhian Adames, SS
Rosell Herrera, INF
Seth Willoughby, RHP
其实他们也能轻易排进16~20名的位置,不过我比较聚焦在接近大联盟层级的球员。
: OTHERS: Charlie Culberson, 2B; Taylor Featherston, INF; Ryan Garvey, OF; Angel
: Lezama, RHP; Kent Matthes, OF; Sam Mende, INF; Scott Oberg, RHP; Jeff Popick,
: OF; Harold Riggins, 1B; Helmis Rodriguez, LHP; Antonio Senzatela, RHP; Peter
: Tago, RHP; Ryan Warner, RHP; Max White, OF; Danny Winkler, RHP; Julian Yan, OF.
: As everyone knows, the Rockies have a unique challenge in developing players
: for the extreme offensive conditions in Coors Field.
大家都知道落矶的裤儿湿是个极端打者球场,要养成新秀有其难度。
: The strength is the hitting at the top of the system. Aside from a poor July,
: Arenado's 2012 season was in line with what he did in 2011 once league contexts
: are considered. His glove is coming along nicely and he should be a productive
: hitter, if a bit short of stardom. Story and Dahl have a few questions to
: answer, but if things go well both can be A-grade prospects a year from now. I
: am pro-Parker, so at the top of the chart you have four players who should be
: solid regulars at least and possibly (probably?) more. Dickerson, Ortega, and
: both Wheelers should all be valuable role players of some variety. There are
: also some interesting middle infield types with unproven bats to provide some
: depth beyond Story. I also like the catching depth, even if I doubt Swanner
: behind the plate both Murphy and Wilfredo Rodriguez from the 2012 draft are
: very promising.
农场顶端的优势还是打者。
抛开糟糕的七月,Arenado 的表现和 2011 相差不大,他的防守越来越好,在攻击面也能
有稳定的输出,虽然可能不够好。
Story 和 Dahl 都有些问题要解决,若是搞定的话他们明年就会晋升为A级新秀。
Dickerson, Ortega, 两位 Wheeler 都会有点用处。
在 Story 後面还有一些棒子尚未开窍的MI。
捕手深度不错,Murphy、Rodriguez 两位大有可为,但我怀疑 Swanner 的防守。
: Things are tougher on the pitching side. The most advanced pitching prospect is
: Cabrera, who is unconventional but successful, though whether that will work in
: Coors is unknown. Matzek and Bettis have higher upside, but Tyler's command
: troubles are legendary and Chad's shoulder is worrisome for me until he proves
: his health. Both could thrive, both could bust. We need higher level data from
: Butler and Anderson but neither of them have done anything wrong yet. Products
: of the Latin American program like Aquino and the successful pitchers in the
: Dominican Summer League like Rodriguez and Senzatela need innings but could be
: breaktroughs in the lower levels of the system. There is quite a bit of
: material that could fit in a bullpen, much of it close to the majors.
但是在投手这方面就麻烦多了。
最成功的 Cabrera 能不能在裤儿湿生存还是未定之天。
Matzek 和 Bettis 有很高的天赋,但 Matzek 的command已经是史诗级的麻烦;
Bettis 的 肩伤也让人担忧。他们可能一飞冲天,也可能会化成灰烬。
Butler 和 Anderson 还需要更高阶的比赛来观察,目前为止没什麽大问题。
拉美投手如 Antonio Senzatela、Helmis Rodriguez、Jayson Aquino 都还需要再磨练,
预期他们在低阶联盟会有所突破。
有足够的 MLB-ready 投手可以支援牛棚。
: In short, the Rockies system has some weak points and needs some pitchers with
: fewer question-marks, but there is positional depth that many teams would envy,
: especially at the top.
简而言之,落矶农场有些弱点而且急需好投手,
不过在农场前段,也拥有让其他球队称羡的野手深度。
心得:
和前几年的名单相比就知道,这系统中的投打养成都出了些问题
这个球季最大的亮点当属Story、Dahl,以及几乎是起死回生的Friedrich
除此之外简直乏善可陈
不是养坏,就是没有如预期进步
Tyler Matzek 的command
Nolan Arenado 的power
Chad Bettis 痛痛
Tim Wheeler 受伤後大退步
Peter Tago .....
Kent Matthes......
其他表现不错的多半开窍太慢
高阶的进步有限,年轻的还太嫩看不出什麽天花板
我们最需要的位置是先发投手和三垒手
再比照一下这农场,有办法期待能成为实质战力的新人真的没几个
几笔交易,上没补到洞,下没加深度
实在难以教人对这个冬天的动作感到满意
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※ 编辑: Tulowitzki2 来自: 118.170.185.159 (01/16 07:18)
1F:推 goopa:感谢分享!! 01/16 12:44
2F:推 goopa:Ryan Wheeler bat average with decent power 01/16 12:48
3F:→ goopa:这边好像是说Wheeler是安打型球员,但炮瓦也还不错... 01/16 12:49
4F:→ goopa:他去年六月在3A雷诺队单月打了50支安打,打击率四成四二... 01/16 12:50
5F:→ goopa:我猜今年开季3B应该就是他跟Pacheco竞争 01/16 12:54
6F:→ goopa:两个人contact都不错,或许Pacheco的contact更好一些 01/16 12:55
7F:→ goopa:但Wheeler的三垒守备更好,而且有三垒平均水准的炮瓦 01/16 12:56
8F:→ goopa:如果能有500AB的话,在库尔斯的加持下或许可以有15~20HR... 01/16 12:56
9F:推 goopa:我把bat is 看成bat for是我搞错了 01/16 15:28
10F:→ goopa:1原po翻的才是对的,是我脑补了,抱歉。 :( 01/16 15:30
11F:→ Tulowitzki2:春训再看看吧 说不定Arenado刚开季手感就很棒 01/16 19:13
12F:→ Tulowitzki2:但他应该还是会在AAA开季,除非另两个3B有人受伤 01/16 19:19
13F:推 ByronBuxton:David Dahl!! 01/16 23:31
14F:→ ByronBuxton:Grade:6 bat, 55 power, 6 run, 5 D in CF, 65 arm. 01/16 23:31
15F:→ Tulowitzki2:有人比做臂力强很多但power稍差的Damon 01/16 23:52
16F:推 ygjhsu:臂力强很多XDDD 01/17 21:51
17F:推 ByronBuxton:BA排Arenado为NO.1 prospect,tools太强大了 01/21 22:28