作者ckshchen (简单的梦想)
看板Rockets
标题Re: [外电] Rockets lose to the Lakers in OT, drop to 8th seed,
时间Fri Apr 19 02:50:05 2013
大意翻一下
由於我的英文小洞不断,请大家指正罗
It’s 7:07 A.M. right now at the time of writing. I’ve had a little over
six hours now to digest last night’s loss. I’ve calmed down a bit and am
glad I stepped away when I did. Had I not, I would have certainly written
things I’d later regret – things fueled by pure, unadulterated anger. As I
said last night, I was livid. In fact, I don’t think I can even recall the
last time I’ve been so upset during and after a Houston Rockets game.
现在是凌晨七点钟,写了文章头有点痛
经过六个小时候
我稍微冷静一点了
如果我没稍微冷静一点
写出来的文字连我自己都害怕啊~~~~~
我会变成一个不成熟的愤怒者
The unfortunate part is that this should be a time for celebration. The team
will be playing its first playoff game since 2009, and its first playoff game
in Red94′s existence. Instead, all I feel right now is anger: anger over
the way the team completely choked at the end, for the second year in a row,
snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, and bumbling away a golden chance
to face a hobbled Spurs team against whom some felt they can beat. Instead,
they will now open at Oklahoma City, the expected Western Conference champion.
这段时间本来该是值得庆祝的
火箭从2009年後再次进入季後赛
不过我一点都高兴不起来
我超不爽
最後这几场比赛真的超令人不爽
白白浪费能够对上马刺的大好机会.........稍微有可能突破第一轮的选择
现在勒
要对上雷霆
Last night’s meltdown started and ended in predictable fashion in the same
manner in which we’ve seen far too many losses this season. The Rockets
began the 4th with another one of Kevin McHale’s patented smallball lineups,
one that saw journeyman Carlos Delfino guarding the 7-foot Pau Gasol. Both
Jeremy Lin and James Harden sat on the bench–a predicament which by any
evaluative measure, either statistical or observational, should absolutely
never occur yet for some baffling reason continues to with unacceptable
frequency–and things played out as expected. The Lakers, with the size
advantage, gained momentum and then never looked back. That’s really all it
takes in the NBA. One lineup error for a one-minute stretch and the game
turns. I had written all along, through the first three quarters, that while
Houston was leading, one just didn’t feel comfortable. Things got much
worse, though.
昨天晚上的失败,不意外
这样的剧本本季已经发生好多次了
又一次的,火箭队又失去了他们的胜利
感谢飞天小冰箱
第四节开场又放上小球战术
後宫甄环德妃对上七尺的娘娘
然後哈林同时在板凳上
不管你是印象派大师还是数据派的
都不该做出这样的决定,太不合理了
湖人队就靠着身高优势抢到了领先,然後一去不复还
这在NBA很常见
一分钟错,满盘皆输
我累了
我已经写了好多好多场神奇宝贝的剧本
火箭队先嚣张威武了前3/4时间
然後最後就好讨厌的感觉..............
而且看起来更糟糕了
The starters were brought back in and what ensued over the next several
minutes, spanning from the latter half of the 4th quarter through overtime,
was what I described last night, in the moment, as a complete and utter
disgrace. Now let’s take a quick moment to step back for some perspective:
the Rockets choking in the clutch is nothing new. In fact, I wrote about it
just the other day. Their league-leading offense shrinks to one of the worst
in basketball in late-game situations. So this is a problem you saw coming.
Why it became so tough to stomach was because of the stakes and the stage,
and a duration which felt like an eternity.
在第四节的後半段和延长赛
先发的表现又回到了那个鸟样,像我前一篇文章说的一样
现在
我们来快速的看一下火箭这个没任何新意的烂调度
事实上,我才刚写完一篇这样的东西啊!!!!!!!!
又要再一篇了
一个联盟最强之矛的球队
在最後阶段表现得像乐透区球队一样
As is pretty much the case anytime the Rockets are involved in a close game
in the 4th quarter, the team completely abandoned its pick&roll offense,
resorting to the dreaded “hero-ball spread.” For those who have been
living in a cave, (or don’t have CSN), this is a set where, essentially
James Harden holds the ball at the top of the key while the other 4 players
spread out of the way. Harden then dribbles the ball for about 20 seconds
and chucks up some variation of a contested jumper, whether it be from
straightaway ’3′ or of the stepback variety within 2 point range.
恩 在最近几场的比赛中
一到了第四节
火箭队就完全放弃了挡切战术
改选用了 英(球)雄(给)篮(哈)球(登)
哈登拿着球,其他人全都清开
哈登先拿着球玩了20秒
然後进行了一些很糟糕的跳投
这其中的一点点差别只在於这球是三分还是两分
The offense completely sputtered, LA capitalized at the other end and
maintained the lead. Chandler Parsons then hit perhaps the flattest 3 point
shot in the history of basketball, everyone on Twitter erupted, and the game
went to overtime.
进攻完全解开放印的湖人队取得了领先
还好要加薪的高富帅丢了一颗超级平射炮
射得推特上每个人都在尖叫
才得以进入延长赛
The Rockets then started out overtime, in creative fashion, running a few
isolation sets for Parsons. Those of course didn’t end well. Harden
started hogging again, got blocked a few times and the game ended. See you
in Oklahoma on TBD at TBD.
延长赛
火箭队有了一点点的创意...........改换高富帅单打
不过都没得分
既然创新不行,火箭队又回到了老样
哈登又开始了
然後连续被挡下好几次,比赛结束
好吧
在不确定是某时某地的雷霆之战
我们再看看吧
A few thoughts which may or may not end completely off topic: Who is to
blame: Harden or McHale? First, Harden. Actually, scratch that. Let’s say
the good first:
到底是哈登还是冰箱的责任呢?
在讨论到底是哈登还是冰箱的责任前
我们可以先来讨论一下优点
Omer Asik had one of his best games of the season, completely shutting down
Dwight Howard in the first half. Jeff Van Gundy remarked numerous times in
the first quarter, “I don’t understand why they’re doubling Howard against
Asik. His (Omer’s) defense is better than Howard’s offense.” I didn’t
understand McHale’s reasoning either. Of course, the double teams led to
numerous open 3′s in the first quarter, shots which enabled the Lakers to
stay in the game at that point. In any event, Asik sealed off the paint and
converted numerous other times offensively with violent slams.
Chandler Parsons really seems to play his best on national television.
Now, the bad:
阿西打出了本季最好的表现
完全让魔兽无法发挥
Jeff Van Gundy在第一节讲了同样的话好几次
"我不知道他们干嘛double魔兽"
"阿西的防守远胜於魔兽的进攻"
我也不懂冰箱的理由
这个double战术让三分射爽爽
阿西封锁了禁区
不让攻击转换轻易得逞
高富帅则是在这场全美转播的比赛中
完全了表现出他有多帅
好了
优点讲完了
讲缺点
This was Harden’s worst game of the year. 30 points on 25 shots. Going
vigilante on offense (unless that was the call from the bench; more on this
later.) Bitching at teammates for his own mistakes. Interestingly, viewing
the fan reaction on Twitter and other venues, you can kind of sense the end
of the honeymoon for the faithful with Harden. Now in no means am I implying
that he isn’t adored. Unless J.J Watt were also running, Harden would win
any mayoral contest here – he’s basically put the Rockets back on the map
and given this city hope it hasn’t had in years. What I mean though is
that, we’ve entered that phase where, after the honeymoon, while you still
deeply adore your significant other, you no longer view them as The Second
Coming. You start to see the flaws and realize you’re going to have to cope
with them. That’s becoming the case with Harden. His abysmal defense has
already been extensively documented. Now it’s the late game hero-call
spontaneity and the bitching at teammates.
这是哈登今年最烂的比赛
出手25次只拿了三十分
在进攻上自己自作主张乱打
(除非这个行为是教练的指示)
因为自己的错误抱怨队友..........
有趣的是,看看推特和其他粉丝页上球迷的反应
球迷们和哈登的蜜月期结束了,开始回到现实
我不是在说哈登不值得我们尊敬
他这季的表现够格领得休士顿市长奖
他把火箭队又带入了竞争集团
重新成为季後赛球队
这已经好几年没发生了
I noted several times last night where Harden, after throwing an errant pass
to Asik, which Asik predictably failed to reel in, barked at the Turk on the
way back down. This is something I’ve seen many other times over the course
of this season. I quipped on Twitter that this is quickly becoming an
abusive relationship as Asik just turns, puts his head down and meekly runs
back to the other side of the court. The irony here is that for all of the
times Asik has covered for Harden on the defensive end, you’d think he’d
have boughten him a Rolex by now or something.
昨晚我发现发生了好多次
哈登乱传给阿西,球没了
哈登在回防的时候一边跑一边朝着阿西碎念
本季我已经看过了很多次这样的情况了
我在推特上打趣的说
阿西很快的会变成M倾向,一个受虐狂
头低低然後跑向球场的另一端去防守
更讽刺的是
阿西客在防守上帮哈登了补了很多网
所以你会想着
哈登可能是送了阿西劳力士表或着其他的
才让阿西这样做
Sidenote: A friend and I have
a theory that the only way to stop the abuse is to nip it in the bud from the
get-go. Did you ever have that fat friend in childhood who never said
anything when everyone picked on him and made fat jokes? What happens is
that after the initial taunts are not met with rebuke, it becomes ingrained
in the public gestalt that such ridicule is acceptable. This then
perpetuates the abuse. Same thing in sports. You’ll often see that teams
are quick to heap blame on one particular whipping boy, even when
unjustified, simply because they’ve let it be known that they’ll allow it.
额外想法:
我和我朋友有个理论
要阻止一个错误的行为
最好的方法就是在这行为刚开始的时候就去阻止他
你小时候有没有一个很可怜的胖朋友
他什麽都没说,人家就会主动跑去嘲笑他
.............
翻一翻发现没什麽关联性
就是作者认为不能让这情况习以为常
McHale: I wrote this summer, in my evaluation of his performance last season,
that Kevin McHale deserved a C+. What was an ‘A’ for his handling of such
a young team was brought down to a ‘C’ for his role in one of the greatest
meltdowns in franchise history. That same can be said for this season though
not to the same degree as this loss is in no way comparable to a 6 game late
season losing streak. It’s simple, and Jeff Van Gundy has said it himself.
When a team gets blown out, its on the players. When they lose close games,
especially in the exact same manner every time, that’s on the coaching.
Whether ISOball is the call from the bench or Harden is going off cue is a
subject for later debate, but there is simply no justification for some of
the completely unimaginative plays the Rockets have run out of timeouts.
Throw a wrinkle in here and there. Instead of 4 guys watching Harden, how
about 3 guys watching Harden while one guy bends over to tie his shoes! I don
’t know…do something to vary it up. There is literally no excuse for the
game to end last night, on a critical possession, with Jeremy Lin chucking a
desperation 3 pointer after James Harden dribbled away 20 seconds from the
shot clock. None.
冰箱的评价:
我这季暑假就已经写好了这篇了
根据上季的表现
我给他的评价是C+
本来该给他A的
因为他能带领这年轻的球队打成这样
可是我给他C
因为他也让球队经历了史上最大崩盘
所以同样的
虽然没危害到那种程度
可是一样是很惨的季末六连败
冰箱要负责任,这很简单的,就像 Jeff Van Gundy说的
当球队一面倒,球员要负最大的责任
可是当他们表现得势均力敌
结果输掉了
而且每一次输掉的方式都一样
这就是教练的错
不管球给哈登的战术是哈登自己的决定还是教练的决定都一样
这点我们晚点在讨论
我们先讨论很浅而易见的问题
为什麽一个完整的暂停过後
还不能打出一个合理的战术?
三个人看着哈登
一个人看着自己的鞋子绑鞋带..........冏
这在干嘛....我看不懂,能想办法改变吗?
昨晚的比赛没有任何藉口
像其中有一球
哈登先运球玩了二十秒
然後把炸弹丢给了林书豪........
迫於无奈,林书豪只好勉强出手
(这球很印象深刻.....= =a )
Finally, it begs the transcendental debate: is it Harden or McHale? If we
build from the premise–regarding which everyone should be in agreement–that
the Rockets’ late-game offensive schemes are completely unacceptable, upon
whom should the fault be placed? There are those who put it on McHale,
believing that the total abandonment of the team’s actual offense is by
design. And then there are those put it on Harden, assuming that The Beard
is ad libbing off cue against his coach’s instructions. Either way, there’
s going to have to be a solution and you can bet it will be discussed: the
superiority of team offense over conventional crunchtime ISOball is almost
axiomatic in the stat-geek community. But what’s the solution? If McHale
is the problem, you just replace him. But if it’s Harden, there’s hope
too: numerous other young superstars, from Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan,
had to be reined in and made to understand the importance of trusting the
scheme and trusting their teammates. Remember: James is just 23. This is
his first time in the spotlight and he no doubt wants to prove his worth. I
suspect that with age and experience, these warts will change. But in many
cases, at least in Jordan’s and Kobe’s, it took a coach that the star
actually respected, for that transformation to occur. Now, I don’t want to
speculate, especially on the eve of the playoffs, but while we all may
disagree on the cause of the issue, we can agree it’s a problem that needs
to be fixed and probably won’t be addressed until the summer.
最後
要来个结论
到底是哈登还是冰箱的错?
如果我们以每个人都该参与进攻的计画为前题来说
昨晚火箭队的表现完全令人无法接受
那到底谁该负责
如果这些进攻是他设计的
冰箱要负比较多的责任
假设教练的指示就是要大胡子自己即兴演出随机应变
那哈登就要负责
但不管是哪个
总该有个解决问题的方法
我们可以赌赌看他们会不会检讨
单打篮球是球队最多的进攻方式是不是怪怪的这件事情
但是就算讨论了
有什麽解决方法吗?
如果问题是冰箱,换掉他就好
如果问题是哈登,他是个明日之星
就像很多球星(kobe, jordan)年轻时候一样
他们需要被克制约束,了解团队的重要性
记得,哈登才23岁
这是他第一次当老大
他会急着证明自己的价值
我在想会随着年龄和经验成长
不过在很多球星的例子中,至少jordan和kobe
他们需要一个令他们钦佩服从的教练
这样的转变才会产生
现在 季後赛要来了
所以我先不想去做多余的猜测找战犯
不管我们认为战犯到底是谁
至少我们都同意这是个很严重的问题
而且短期内不会解决
只能期待夏天了
Whatever happens, this was fun, and despite the ‘bad’, this was still an
unforgettable season and one of the most enjoyable in Rockets history,
primarily because of the efforts of the two men upon whom I just cast blame
above. Bring on the Thunder.
不管发生什麽事情
虽然还是有缺点
这仍然是个有趣而且令人难忘
甚至是火箭队史上最有趣的球季之一
能有如此
这也是要感激我骂了整篇的这两个人
来吧 雷霆!!
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我们还有六集可以跑!快跑!
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◆ From: 1.171.121.196
※ 编辑: ckshchen 来自: 1.171.121.196 (04/19 02:56)
2F:推 Aswind:推!! 希望哈登不会被惯(宠)坏了 04/19 02:56
3F:推 ShoMing:推! 我也觉得哈登需要有一个能管动他的教练来教他!!! 04/19 05:13
4F:→ ShoMing:冰箱明显不合适,如果下季一样由冰箱执教,火箭八成又是 04/19 05:13
5F:→ ShoMing:老八老九这样子的席次收尾 04/19 05:14
6F:推 kzadb:冰箱名人堂球员都压不住了... 04/19 06:46
7F:推 chenlansue:原本要给McHale这季B+~A- 但连两年季末崩盘看的很失望 04/19 06:47
8F:推 chenlansue:作者的结论: 如果战犯是冰箱 就换掉冰箱 如果战犯是胡 04/19 06:50
9F:→ chenlansue:子 那要换一个可以教导胡子的教练 不就都是冰箱要走XD 04/19 06:51
10F:推 Aswind:冰迷:可以把一群菜鸟带到季後赛 所以冰箱是好教练!! 04/19 07:13
11F:→ Aswind:但怎不想想 如果缺点早点改 可以不只是第八名 04/19 07:14
12F:→ leocheng:跟强化版的火箭打 胡子要冷静一点好好跟林搭偷个一胜吧 04/19 07:26
13F:推 patrickleeee:照他的讲法 冰箱走定了XDD 04/19 07:39
14F:推 faseno:第四节初印象中是CP配板凳阵容对湖人先发,实在是不懂这个 04/19 07:43
15F:推 faseno:调度....是希望小阵容用攻击力和双塔拼?另一个不懂是Lin 04/19 07:46
16F:推 faseno:坐在板凳上12分钟,一节的时间...结果换他上来是小贝制造对 04/19 07:48
17F:推 faseno:方失误和得分後,不懂... 04/19 07:50
18F:→ wurenben:那球在第四节末有看到,Lin接到球剩5秒,也没有人出来挡 04/19 08:02
19F:推 jorden:harden的问题 应该是教练团纵容的结果.......... 04/19 08:16
20F:→ jorden:这几场球harden的问题很大 英雄式的打法对火箭造成伤害 04/19 08:17
21F:推 forttryon:没接到那里是胡子骂ASIK 04/19 08:17
22F:→ jorden:希望不要养出另一个kobe........ 04/19 08:18
23F:→ jorden:防守跟进攻都是别人的问题........ 04/19 08:18
24F:推 olivelee:推这篇!可以犯错 但希望可以再错误中学习而不是一错再错 04/19 08:27
25F:推 wengna:优点很好笑XDDDD 04/19 08:30
26F:推 jt:教练团一开始就是以KOBE的方式养 希望他变成LBJ 04/19 08:37
27F:推 jorden:LBJ也不是丢炸弹 而是制造出外围空档 然後出手...... 04/19 08:43
28F:推 rutenac:推 这是篇cksh式幽默风格的翻译 赞 04/19 09:23
29F:推 forttryon:忘了说 TBD=待决定 可能作者写的时候还没查详细时间 04/19 09:31
30F:→ jlu:Harden真的很强,但是靠单打是不可能拿冠军的,Jordan也不靠单打 04/19 09:48
31F:推 pozx:LBJ&KOBE至少都有防守.LBJ甚至不用长时间盘球 04/19 11:23
※ 编辑: ckshchen 来自: 1.171.121.196 (04/19 11:29)
32F:→ openeyes222:哈登经常丢炸弹给队友真是一绝。 04/19 11:30
33F:推 ppppllo:这篇真是说出了球迷的心声耶 04/19 12:27
34F:推 shin80:教练不太介意吧...不只最後5秒..昨天根本最後2秒丢给CP和林 04/19 12:28
35F:→ shin80:而教练只会一直骂黏球...到底是谁? 而他冰的只有林 04/19 12:30
36F:→ shin80:教练进步很大..去年跌到老九..今年跌到老八..明年上看老七 04/19 12:31
37F:推 ppppllo:假使满意於现状 当别人都力争上游往上爬的时候 没有进步 04/19 12:33
38F:→ ppppllo:只会停滞不前.. 04/19 12:33
39F:→ ppppllo:往往A级B级球队的差异性 就是差在这些"一点点" 04/19 12:34
40F:→ ppppllo:尽管昨天的比赛让人失望..季後赛还有机会.. 04/19 12:35
41F:推 peterwu4:但是,Jordan也是单打了很多年後才明白这个道理的吧XD 04/19 12:35
42F:→ ppppllo:希望可以好好展现出火箭这季的表现.. 04/19 12:35
43F:→ ppppllo:是阿..所以笔者提到胡子才23岁 可塑性还很大吧 04/19 12:36
44F:→ ppppllo:谁能很明确的跟胡子说他应该要展现的态度跟风格 或是得靠 04/19 12:37
45F:→ ppppllo:胡子自己明白这道理? 04/19 12:37
46F:推 xajx:不完全认为胡子在打ISO, 他只是在试着打MO但是打不出来.. 04/19 12:48
47F:→ xajx:火箭如果希望用现在阵容为基础,仅做单点补强就有争冠实力, 04/19 12:49
48F:→ xajx:那现在每个先发都有需要再长出来的技能. 把这季看作练兵, 04/19 12:50
49F:→ xajx:就不会太在意很多奇怪的调度了.让胡子长出组织力是很重要的.. 04/19 12:51
50F:→ IBIZA:我相信大多时候都不是要打ISO, 只是切不进去, 但是以MO来讲 04/19 13:38
51F:→ IBIZA:切不进去就要赶快转移球或是call小组, 固执的尝试切入是MO的 04/19 13:39
52F:→ IBIZA:大忌...这也Mchale这两个礼拜一直在跟Harden讲的 04/19 13:40
53F:→ IBIZA:更正: 应该说黏球是MO的大忌, 而固执的尝试切入造成黏球 04/19 13:43
54F:推 fireunicorn:四人站底线...去找一下mo哪一种路线是这种的... 04/19 15:19
55F:→ fireunicorn:说mo...不如说iso比较正确吧...^^? 04/19 15:20
56F:→ fireunicorn:CP先绕出来接应~因为胡子盘到剩10秒 04/19 15:23
57F:→ fireunicorn:lin又跑出来~接应这时候c4就丢过来了... 04/19 15:24
58F:→ exrickey:跟MO差太多了 04/19 16:01
59F:→ IBIZA:怎麽可能有四个人站底线...起码Asik就不站底线 04/19 18:16
60F:→ IBIZA:我刚刚把OT的九次进攻录影全部看了一次 没有一次是所谓的 04/19 18:22
61F:→ IBIZA:四人站底线, 事实上P&R的比例比我印象还多不少..@@ 04/19 18:22
62F:→ IBIZA:不对...是11次 还有两次是进攻犯规 04/19 18:23
63F:→ IBIZA:我现在从第四节往前看...我想所谓的四人底线 应该几乎没出现 04/19 18:24
64F:→ IBIZA:过... 04/19 18:24
65F:→ IBIZA:OT第一球, Greg发球, Lin中场, Asik上高位伺机掩护引出DH 04/19 18:31
66F:→ IBIZA:弱边只剩CP跟MWP, Lin传Greg传CP切入, 切到篮上碰到DH, Foul 04/19 18:33
67F:→ IBIZA:OT第二球, Lin切入吸引包夹, CP出现短暂空档, Lin传CP, 但 04/19 18:34
68F:→ IBIZA:Blake很快上来协防, CP没办法出手, 切入後掉球 04/19 18:35
69F:→ IBIZA:OT第三球, Lin带过中场, 跟Asik作P&R, 没出手, 传Greg, Greg 04/19 18:35
70F:→ IBIZA:跟Harden作一个screen&hand off, Harden出手, 没进 04/19 18:36
71F:→ IBIZA:OT第四球, Harden利用Asik作一个screen之後切入到篮下, 被 04/19 18:37
72F:→ IBIZA:DH扯下来, 没犯规, OT 04/19 18:37
73F:→ IBIZA: TO 04/19 18:37
74F:→ IBIZA:OT第五球, Lin跟Asik先做一个P&R没出手, 传CP, 再跟Greg又作 04/19 18:39
75F:→ IBIZA:一个P&R, 还是没出手, Greg原本还要再做, CP拒绝之後自己 04/19 18:39
76F:→ IBIZA:切入, 没进 04/19 18:39
77F:→ IBIZA:OT第六球, Harden利用Asik作Screen, 切入篮下得分 04/19 18:41
78F:→ IBIZA:OT第七球, HArden利用Asik作screen, 出现空档後三分出手, 没 04/19 18:41
79F:→ IBIZA:进 04/19 18:42
80F:→ IBIZA:後面还有几球 我是真的没有看到有哪球是所谓的四人底线 04/19 18:44
81F:→ IBIZA:光这七球, 几乎都是MO打法, 第一球是开後门的标准打法之一 04/19 18:46
82F:→ IBIZA:第二球是标准切传, 三四六七都是无球掩护或是hand off 04/19 18:48
83F:→ IBIZA:只有第五个是真的iso, 但是也是作了两次无球掩护之後才做的 04/19 18:49
84F:→ IBIZA:我刚刚看完harden第四节7次进攻...我发现印象真的很靠不住XD 04/19 18:58
85F:→ IBIZA:晚上看完第四节其他人的出手 再说好了..只看harden的也不太 04/19 19:00
86F:→ IBIZA:准... 04/19 19:00
87F:推 tomatoai:楼上应该自己开一篇的啊X"D 04/19 19:06
88F:推 fireunicorn:有人有第四节最後的录影吗...^^? 04/19 19:35
89F:→ fireunicorn:OT也顺便一下吧...老实说...ot前面中间已经关掉萤幕.. 04/19 19:36
90F:→ fireunicorn:第四节末接到大家所谓的"炸弹"就是这样跑法的... 04/19 19:38
91F:→ fireunicorn:ibiza大说的是OT 不是"炸弹"传球那次阿~ 04/19 19:39
92F:→ fireunicorn:那次是暂停完後~火箭队最该跑出明显战术的一次~ 04/19 19:42
93F:→ fireunicorn:也是各大球评骂得最凶的一球阿... 04/19 19:42
94F:推 fireunicorn:第49秒那个暂停...感觉是冰箱要harden投的... 04/19 21:26
95F:→ fireunicorn:hicannel~有影片~贾西亚比个投篮手是在比harden... 04/19 21:28
96F:→ fireunicorn:CP当时其实有跑出空档...只是harden没传~ 04/19 21:29
97F:→ fireunicorn:甚至CP都拍手要球...XD 04/19 21:29
98F:→ fireunicorn:harden停球後...没出手~lin跑来接应~才有"炸弹"传球.. 04/19 21:32
99F:→ fireunicorn:总觉得harden有点虽...XD 04/19 21:33
100F:→ fireunicorn:冰箱到底画什麽鬼战术...跑出空档的竟是CP...不是哈登 04/19 21:43
101F:→ IBIZA:你说的是Q4倒数第二球吧? 04/19 22:32
102F:→ IBIZA:那球是Greg先作一个screen, 但是切入入线挡着DH, 所以没切入 04/19 22:34
103F:→ IBIZA:然後CP在对角线第一次要球, 但是没有传球路线, 然後CP从底角 04/19 22:38
104F:推 fireunicorn:恩~没错~ 04/19 22:40
105F:→ IBIZA:往外围跑再要一次球, 但是AJ很快跟上来, 然後CP跟Delfino做 04/19 22:40
106F:→ fireunicorn:第四节末剩49秒那个~ 04/19 22:41
107F:→ IBIZA:了一次空手掩护...CP得到空档...BUT传球路线稍纵即逝.. 04/19 22:41
108F:→ fireunicorn:不是啦~是harden盘球盘很久那球~ 04/19 22:41
109F:→ IBIZA:最後剩五秒传给林 04/19 22:42
110F:→ IBIZA:就是这球没错 04/19 22:42
111F:→ IBIZA:这球有战术啊 不是单纯的iso 04/19 22:42
112F:→ IBIZA:第一个战术是Greg帮harden挡人...但是DH跟在後面没办法切 04/19 22:43
113F:→ fireunicorn:那球cp其实空档还蛮久的~ 04/19 22:43
114F:→ IBIZA:然後CP跑位 第一次没传球路线 第二次AJ跟上也没空档 04/19 22:43
115F:→ fireunicorn:但是~把画面再往前一点...喊暂停~时 04/19 22:43
116F:→ IBIZA:第三次CP跟Delfino做空手掩护 有传球路线 但是时间很短 04/19 22:44
117F:推 ppppllo:这篇推文真的可以发两篇耶 昨天第四节真的打得好差 04/19 22:44
118F:→ fireunicorn:去看贾西亚~对harden比手势~投球~ 04/19 22:44
119F:→ IBIZA:空档蛮久...应该没有喔... 04/19 22:44
120F:→ fireunicorn:都能拍手了要球了...=3= 04/19 22:45
121F:→ IBIZA:暂停的时候说了 说真的我不知道.. 04/19 22:45
122F:→ fireunicorn:那球该不算iso~ 04/19 22:45
123F:→ IBIZA:这球做给harden投是很正常 只是Greg的screen没成功 04/19 22:45
124F:→ IBIZA:那个拍手要球只是要启动而已 04/19 22:46
125F:→ IBIZA:拍手之後Delifno上来帮CP挡掉AJ, 空档才真的出来 04/19 22:46
126F:→ IBIZA:但是时间很短 AJ很快又脱身了 04/19 22:46
127F:→ fireunicorn:教练是要harden投的...如果去看暂停画面~ 04/19 22:47
128F:→ IBIZA:我相信那球暂停时是做给harden 但是greg挡的结果就没路线啊 04/19 22:47
129F:→ IBIZA:DH挡在harden切入路线中间.. 04/19 22:48
130F:→ fireunicorn:冰箱这样设计战术给harden投根本超失败... 04/19 22:48
131F:→ IBIZA:战术设计对方没责任配合的啊..orz 04/19 22:49
132F:→ fireunicorn:这时候剩下4X秒...大部分都会执行...确实能做出空档.. 04/19 22:49
133F:→ IBIZA:这种东西不存在...而且复杂的多重挡人是平常就要练set play 04/19 22:50
134F:→ IBIZA:不可能临场打 04/19 22:50
135F:→ fireunicorn:冰箱却做出...CP跑出空档是哪招阿...=3= 04/19 22:50
136F:→ IBIZA:这就是mo啊XD 04/19 22:50
137F:→ fireunicorn:哪里不存在...火箭有执行过电梯战术~投球者是harden~ 04/19 22:51
138F:→ IBIZA:CP跟Delfino那次空手掩护 harden应该是有看到也有配合停球 04/19 22:51
139F:→ fireunicorn:却没投进~但...这火箭明明就有练过... 04/19 22:52
140F:→ IBIZA:要传...但是没传给CP..大概是觉得传不过?结果传给lin 04/19 22:52
141F:→ IBIZA:电梯战术不算复杂啊 04/19 22:52
142F:→ fireunicorn:传给lin是他停球了...对方防守都压上来当然要传~XD 04/19 22:52
143F:→ fireunicorn:对阿...当时就该跑这种...确实能得到空档的战术才对啊 04/19 22:53
144F:→ IBIZA:他停球原本应该是要配合CP...但是对方看起来也识破了 04/19 22:53
145F:→ IBIZA:Meek手都举起来了.. 04/19 22:53
146F:→ IBIZA:电梯战术也没有保证空档吧 04/19 22:53
147F:→ fireunicorn:....就算不空档...也会是...错位... 04/19 22:55
148F:→ IBIZA:总之 我只是要说 这场球大部分不是iso, 而是切不进所以黏球 04/19 22:55
149F:→ IBIZA:这也是Mchale这两个礼拜一直在提醒harden的问题 04/19 22:55
150F:→ fireunicorn:XD~我也不觉得harden黏球...尤其OT...XD 04/19 22:56
151F:→ IBIZA:我刚刚说印象有误 就是说我一开始讲的那段话 04/19 22:56
152F:→ IBIZA:我说切不进应该要想办法转移球或call小组.. 04/19 22:56
153F:→ IBIZA:我傍晚 还有刚刚看了OT跟Q4的play.... 04/19 22:57
154F:→ IBIZA:我发现多半还是有另想办法 而不是持续要切 04/19 22:57
155F:→ IBIZA:不过DH真的很威...我现在正在看DH的防守的部分... 04/19 22:58
156F:→ fireunicorn:後面其实harden出手是空档最大的出手...比起lin cp 04/19 22:58
157F:→ IBIZA:可以剪一个防守三秒大合辑...XD 04/19 22:59
158F:→ fireunicorn:OT时 3分0X秒~harden传给lin有稍微的空档~lin也没出手 04/19 23:00
159F:→ IBIZA:harden空档的确是比较多 大多是screen做出来的 不过因为 04/19 23:02
160F:→ fireunicorn:DH吗?他守harden2球不是该判犯规...才对吗~XD 04/19 23:02
161F:→ IBIZA:理面有一个DH在的关系 几乎都只能在外线 RA根本进不去 04/19 23:02
162F:→ IBIZA:另外....DH有好几球都防守三秒了 CP那个进攻犯规 我数了大 04/19 23:03
163F:→ IBIZA:概六秒... 04/19 23:03
164F:→ fireunicorn:第一球直接把球扯走...这...没吹有点...orz 04/19 23:03
165F:→ IBIZA:harden 被拉下来那球倒是没有三秒 但是那球应该是DH犯规 04/19 23:03
166F:→ IBIZA:估且不论防守三秒的问题 DH防守很成功 04/19 23:04
167F:→ IBIZA:几乎进不了RA harden那球也是RA外就被挡下来 04/19 23:04
168F:→ fireunicorn:cp那2球都被看破了~XD 04/19 23:04
169F:→ IBIZA:不过防守超过六秒都没吹...当然比较有机会守下来= = 04/19 23:05
170F:→ IBIZA:OT CP应该有两球都有防守三秒, 犯规那球很明显, 另一球比较 04/19 23:11
171F:→ IBIZA:有讨论空间.. 04/19 23:11