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SBNation之火箭队季後赛特别报导(四) Can the Patrick Beverley effect spark the Rockets off the bench in the playoffs? By NVP http://0rz.tw/LlGRf Since joining the Rockets in January, Patrick Beverley has found his way onto the court and into the rotation in no time. Now, he's one of Kevin McHale's most trusted bench players. What is his secret? 前言:自从PB在一月份加入火箭队後,他找到他场上打球的方法并且无缝接轨在轮替里面。 现在,他已经是MCHALE在板凳区最信任的球员之一,到底是甚麽魔法呢? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Houston Rockets must lead the league in players that make people say "who the hell is that ?" Ok, maybe the Minnesota Timberwolves have them beat in that department, but not by choice and not by much. The Rockets have the league leading offense, and they are one of the bigger surprises of the 2012-2013 season (sorry, the struggles of the Lakers beat them out for the biggest surprise). NBA scribes all over the web have written and raved about the Rockets and how different and unique they are, and now could be on a collision course to a massively hyped playoff matchup against the heavy favorite for the Western crown, the Oklahoma City Thunder. 今年火箭队肯定是NBA所有球队中让人觉得"最不可思议的!" (这边还酸一下湖人才是真正的最不可思议 冏) 而整个NBA都在关注并且报导这股"火箭新浪潮",而接下来火箭队有极大机会 将在季後第一轮面对西冠大热门 - OKC。 Rockets may not be a team with a lot of national buzz, but they are certainly very trendy among basketball fans. Yet if you asked people to name 5 Rockets players, a lot of them would stop short at just 3, maybe 4 if you give them a little hint. James Harden, Jeremy Lin, and Chandler Parsons grab most of the headlines and attention. Omer Asik leads the league in total rebounds, but he is ironically one of the more obscure names on the roster. After those 4, the notoriety of the players on the roster really falls off a cliff. Night in and night out we listen to announcers making up stuff about the players' game, pretend to know things about them. Patrick Beverley is one of those players that people have to pretended to know. 大意: 指除了当家门面HARDEN+LIN+CP以外(甚至苦工ASIK)的其他人, 或许我们都不够了解,更遑论那些每天在电视频道大发掘词的评论专家了。 Not everyone can have a documentary about his life and yet still remain a relative unknown; Patrick Beverley has somehow managed. No one saw "Hoop Reality" because it was an unworthy sequel to its brilliant predecessor "Hoop Dreams," but Patrick Beverley’s story has a better ending than Arthur Agee. Unlike Agee, Patrick Beverley has managed to make his hoop dream a reality. The 6 foot 1 athletic guard from the mean streets of Chicago has taken the long way around, traveling halfway around the world before finally making his way to the NBA, but now that he is here, Beverley is doing everything in his power to make sure he stays. 大意: 先跟大家抱歉一下,这个笔者对PB太有爱,但是我只想翻译重点,所以这段略。 主要就是讲PB的小人物奋斗史跟一位叫A.Agee的一位球员和电影Hoop Dreams 有所呼应。(有兴趣请看: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Agee ) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ON DEFENCE When he is on the court, opponents score about 5 points less per 100 possessions than when he is off the court. Even though the sample size is limited, McHale has been very liberal with his usage of Beverley, which means that these numbers did not exclusively come against bench players or garbage time, but rather a mixture with some serious starter minutes thrown in. Part of why Patrick has such an effect comes from his ability to create extra possessions when he is on the court. His single game stats usually do not jump out at you, but as a collective whole, they demonstrate how active he is on the court. He steals, grabs offensive rebounds,blocks shots, and draws charges, all in limited time. Every time he gets one of those, he single-handedly eliminates an opposing position and converts it to a Rockets possession. 1)当PB在场上时,对手的每一百回合平均得分比PB在场下少5分(即使样品数不多) 即使PB不是很高,但MCHALE仍然大胆地在正规战中启用他。(非垃圾时间刷数据。) 就是第一替补,最佳第六人之类的意思。 2)PB的影响力来自於,他能在场上制造给自己或者球队有更多次的(进攻)机会。 或许单单只看一场的BOX,你并不会对他感到特殊。 但是当你看到他在场上在有限的时间里,偷拐抢骗?!,抓进攻板,盖火锅,作进攻犯规 每当得手一次,球队就多一次机会,相反的对手就少一次。 How good is Patrick Beverley at this task? In the 636 NBA minutes, Patrick Beverley has grabbed 42 offensive rebounds, blocked 19 shots, stole 34 balls, and drew 3 charges, essentially converted 98 extra possessions for the Rockets. That calculates out to be 5.5 extra possessions for every 36 minutes Patrick Beverley plays which places him 2nd among all guards behind the ultra athletic Eric Bledsoe. For comparison's sake, elite big men like Roy Hibbert and Joakim Noah creates 8.6 and 7.3 respectively per 36 minutes, and athletic wing Josh Smith only creates 5.0 extra possessions per 36 minutes. He and Eric Bledsoe are far and away the best among the guards at doing this, with next best in line being Tony Allen and Ricky Rubio at 4.8 per 36 minutes, lagging nearly a full possession behind Beverley and Bledsoe. 到底PB有多棒呢?! 请参考以下数据(少年PB的NBA 636分钟奇幻漂流): 1) 怒抓42个进攻篮板,怒盖19个火锅,智抄34球,巧作3进攻犯规 = 制造98个球权。 2) 平均下来 = 5.5个增加的球权/每36MINS,以这个条件来看, 他只输给另一个也非常有运动能力的PG = LAC的Eric Bledsoe 3) 跟其他优秀球员相比: Roy Hibbert : 8/Per 36Mins Joakim Noah : 7.3/Per 36Mins Josh Smith : 5/Per 36Mins Tony Allen : 4.8/Per 36Mins (竟然干掉後卫大锁TA!WOW!) Ricky Rubio 4.8/Per 36Mins (一球哥:T.T) There is no glamourous secret to how Patrick Beverley does this, it basically boils down to basic defensive fundamentals, vigilance and elite reaction speed. At times, he does not particularly stand out as an individual defender. He is only 6'1", weighing in at 180 lbs, so he is forced to fight against bigger, stronger guards on a nightly basis, but his team defense is where he earns his keep. There is not much tactical or schematic brilliance in the way he plays defense, he simply just plays defense the only way he knows how: hard. He approaches defense by going on the offensive, actively attacks the ball. The Rockets happen to feature a pair of backcourt players in Jeremy Lin and James Harden that are among league leaders in steals, but the way Patrick Beverley steals the ball is fundamentally from the 2 of them. 这些PB默默靠高警觉性与优异的速度所产生的战功,是在传统的防守数据中看不出来的。 有时,他并不能称为一位单防大锁,他只有6'1"高+180lbs重,所以常常得对位到比他 更高更壮的球员。但,他的团队防守才是他的价值所在阿。 而他并没有甚麽撇步,他只是尽他所能带着侵略性地去压迫持球者与球本身。 这段比较PB与LIN和HARDEN这两名在联盟抄截榜上有名的後场。 PB的抄截方式是与这两位不太相同的。 1) Attacks an unsuspecting big man on a double team ( http://0rz.tw/dB8Nx ) 包夹时,瞬间突袭没有防备的长人。 图为:PB 2) Or capitalizes on errant plays from the other team (http://0rz.tw/FUoG3 ) 利用对方的迷途羔羊所产生的失误。两张图一起服用:HARDEN(http://0rz.tw/W5X5s ) 3) Jeremy Lin is also very opportunistic, but he specializes on anticipation. He knows where the passing lanes are and he often times his steals very well. LIN是非常尖巧的赌博性防守,但他常能准确预测对方传球路径并成功抄截。 图:LIN (http://0rz.tw/t3cmh ) (http://0rz.tw/4Eu1P ) In the case of both Lin and Harden, they tend to steal the ball from someone else other than the playersthey are guarding. Patrick Beverley is not as opportunistic as James Harden, nor is he very anticipatory off the ball; the vast majority of his steals comes directly from the guy he’s guarding. I lied when I said Patrick Beverley does not have physical advantages. He has one very distinct advantage, a pair of go-go gadget arms. Beverley’s 6’7" wingspan at his height combined with his tendency to get uncomfortably close to the guys he guards allows him to unexpectedly reach past guards’ body protection and tip the ball away. 眼尖的你发现了吗?! 有别於LIN跟HARDEN都属於断非持球者的抄截。 而PB大部分都是直接往持球者身上偷走球。 PB虽然只有6'1"高,但却有6'7"的臂展+良好的体能 = 黏的对方七上八下,在不经意间球就被史莱姆(PB)抄走了。 4) http://0rz.tw/2tbE3 Here Beverley is having a staring contest with Brandon Jenning on the perimeter. He’s so close to Brandon Jennings that he can tell you what Brandon Jennings ate for his pre game meal. Drew Gooden, who apparently is still in the league, is coming over to set a pick for Jennings on a wing pick and roll. 这张图上,PB黏的JENNINGS紧紧的,甚至都闻的到JENNING赛前吃甚麽好料的(恶), 而身後的GOODEN这准备来给PB一个出其不意的挡人。 5) http://0rz.tw/AyBXy Patrick Beverley is one of the better pick and roll defenders on the team, and typically executes the right coverage for the right situation. Here he bodies up Jennings to prevent him from getting to the middle of the floor, and Greg Smith comes up to cut off Jenning’s sideline lane as well, properly executing ice coverage. If Greg Smith were not so foul prone, he’d probably trap more aggressively. 从这张图可以看出PB是队上较好的P&R防守者之一, PB用身体将(J的)左路卡死先断掉一个行径选项,而GS正赶来支援包夹(断右路), 是一个完美的包夹与P&R防守,若不是GS是犯规界乔丹,他会更有侵略性的包夹J。 6) http://0rz.tw/0w1RL Jennings pulls back his dribble to look for a pass in order to re-initiate the offense from the triple threat position, but Patrick Beverley never leaves him after he bodied him up. Brandon Jennings underestimated Beverley’s reach and Patrick Beverley easily pokes the ball away from him. JENNINGS被PB逼得只能向後运球,只能去(传球)寻找另一个能产生三胁的进攻机会。 但可恶的PB还是紧紧的贴着他,当J重心一高起来,即使他知道PB想抄球, 但是电光火石间,球就被PB抄走啦~~ 哇哈哈。 7) http://0rz.tw/6Jo7U Patrick Beverley also likes to pressure the ball and aggressively get a step ahead of screens, starting 94 feet from the basket. Here just off the inbound, He fights over a Jermaine O’Neal screen. 此图显示PB非常喜欢对球压迫,甚至抢在单挡者之前对持球员者压迫。 图显示太阳队只是刚发远方边线球,手痒的PB就已经在对抗单挡者O'Neal想抄後方者球。 8) 抄到球後 http://0rz.tw/mIWNP 直接扣篮 http://0rz.tw/6GQa3 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Did I forget to mention that Patrick Beverley is also pretty athletic? He’s got a 37 inch max vertical and won a dunk contest in Europe. That athleticism enables him to do number of unexpected thing from the guard position, Including: 对了,你知道PB的运动能力很好,那你知道他垂直起跳可达37inch (*2.54 = 94公分)吗, 而且他曾经赢过欧洲联赛的灌篮大赛冠军呢! 关於他在NBA的惊人事蹟,请看以下少年PB的NBA奇幻漂流 PART II: 1) 对马刺时的追魂锅(GREEN) http://0rz.tw/wEgtY (HARDEN: OH MY GOD....!!!) 2) 用轻功抢长(进攻)篮板 http://0rz.tw/1Dh8h Both plays require immense athleticism, but also a sense of timing that’ s difficult to teach players. He has had at least 1 block in the 9 of the past 10 games, and his offensive rebounding rate of 7.5% is 2nd among all guards that play at least 15 minutes a game. Shot blocking and offensive rebounding are some of the the toughest skills to learn in basketball even if you possess the body and athleticism for them. You can teach a great shot blocker to discipline himself and limit his fouls, but you rarely can teach a poor shot blocker to block more shots. The same goes for offensive rebounding. 以上的PLAY都需要相当惊人的运动能力才做得到,而判断落球点更是天赋难以用言语教导的。 最近9~10场比赛中,PB场均火锅将近1颗,进攻篮板率7.5%, 而这是在所有PG以每场出赛至少15分钟当前提的球员中,第二名。 火锅与进攻篮板是非常艰深的技巧,即使你有良好的运动能力也一样。 (体能好不等於会打锅,会抢进攻板)+(这些不是说教就学得来的) = 难能可贵的技巧。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- However, the full defensive value of Patrick Beverley does not show until you follow him through an entire defensive possession like the following. 关於PB的完整防守价值之少年PB的NBA奇幻漂流 PART III: (我累了,直接翻译不贴原文了。 冏) 1) http://0rz.tw/pngoZ 马刺使用一个高位挡拆,因为单挡压迫的关系, 看似PB需要帮JH补防PARKER,而JH补原先PB防守的S.JACKSON。 而这是一个每个球队都泛用的战术,而在这个图中,PB仍与对位的S.JACKSON保持适当距离 但他眼睛已经注意到持球者及P&R战术,但身体重心仍保持在S.JACKSON的方位。 (观察力好,但不会贸然行动。) 2) http://0rz.tw/hABA4 单档後,DUNCAN挡住了HARDEN,ASIK补防要防止PARKER切入禁区。 PB靠近禁区补防,将单挡制造的空间卡死,对於PARKER这个协防不是太重要, 因为後面还有CP甚至DEFINO可以补防PARKER,重点在於阻挡PARKER传给ROLL IN的邓肯。 3) http://0rz.tw/6QIZR 因为PB重心还是保持得很好,他还能转过头瞄一下JACKSON有没有偷跑, 他不需要紧盯持球者,因为那不是他首要任务(承上),他并没有过度协防的问题。 他也顺利到达他所想要占据的空间,并继续解读对方的攻势与选项。 4) http://0rz.tw/IdBNF 这张图中ASIK在错位後依然把PAKER挡在前方,做得很好。 而PB则是保持协防的意识让PARKER感觉过了ASIK,後面还有层层关卡的心理压力。 仔细看PB的姿势:弯膝随时保持机动性+重心放低+头部保持警觉和观察敌方。 当HARDEN已经在後方玩沙的时候,而TD则尾随在PARKER後面,伺机等待因ASIK协防TP 的漏洞,进而找机会ROLL近篮底以获得助攻。 5) http://0rz.tw/pGADn 当TP切入已超估PB的协防范围时,PB选择不挤去,而是改变重心一边专注持球者, 一边把TP传给JACSON的传球路径踩住。此时,ASIK也很棒地把TP切入篮球路径卡住, 而TP只剩下三种选择:Duncan, Jackson or Leonard。 在检视一次PB的站位,刚好可进可退,退则防远边传球给J和L的机会,进而抄TD。 而ASIK的体型优势也是在这个PLAY中帮助断传球路线的一大帮忙。 6) http://0rz.tw/zk6jB 说时迟,那时快,被逼到末入的TP只能传出一个软弱无力的变速球(TO JACKSON), 此时PB见有机可趁便纵身往JACKSON飞去,在这个MOMENT他是有机会抄球的。 7) http://0rz.tw/PLek6 (我说的那麽爽,结果没抄到,怒) 即使没抄到球,PB也赶到JACKSON的前面,刚好在把他阻挡在三分线後两步。 所以等於空档并没有因为这次的PLAY而出现 = PB成功。 那谁是该被打屁股的呢呢? 请看蓝箭头部分:HARDEN不但一时找不到对位的人,还跟DEFINO犯一样错:重心已放掉了。 8) http://0rz.tw/RYrlw 因为进攻时间快到,JACKSON只能硬切硬拔起来投。 结果就是PB一次成功的防守,让JACKSON投出了面包,而造成违例。 9)Patrick Beverley was never stationary in that possession, rather constantly paying attention to both the ball and his man, assessing and maintaining his angles while being aggressive. When the ball swung over to his man, he closed out quickly, aggressively crowded the opponent and contested the shot better than anyone could hope. If you watch Beverley off the ball, he is constantly surveying the entire court and adjusting his position, all the while paying attention to the ball. It explains a lot of Beverley's activity on the court and why he improves the defense. 从这几个PLAY中你会发现一件事:PB从来都是有在观察对手来对应站位, 有综观全场的视野,不只是傻傻的盯着对位的人或是持球者, 而是时时刻刻都在应映对方的进攻策略来调整脚步与站位。 以便对敌方的动作做出反应。这就是他防守的奥义之一。 10)There is a down side to Beverley’s invasive style of defense, that is, he picks up a fair amount of fouls on the perimeter. When games are called closely, Beverley usually is able to restrain himself, but he’s not nearly as effective. Like all of our guards, Beverley also has a tendency to gamble for steals and cheat under screens, it is part of the reason why he has poor isolation numbers on mySynergySports (also small sample size as well). However, the playoffs tend to allow more physical play on both side of the ball, so his style of defense will be a major plus. 当然人没有十全十美的, PB的防守策略有一个致命伤,就是:容易犯规。 当关键时刻时,而且比数接近的时候,PB就会开始为了避免犯规而趋於保守。 此时,他的功力就会减弱。而像其他後卫一样,他也会尝试赌博性的抄截和欺敌。 这也是为什麽在我的(小样本)数据中,他的单防能力其实并不好的原因一。 尽管如此,一到进了季後赛,裁判吹罚的标准或许会对於肢体上接触的更宽松。 那此时,他的防守方式将会变成一大亮点也不一定。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ON OFFENCE If you noticed that I have not talked about Patrick Beverley's offense, it is because there is not much to talk about. For a vaunted "Chicago guard" that once went toe to toe with Derrick Rose, Patrick Beverley has largely served as somewhat of a 3 point specialist in his NBA minutes so far. He is extremely selective with his shot location, really limiting himself to around the rim and right side of the 3 point arc. He is a below average finisher in close range at only 58% despite his above average athleticism, but an above average 3 point shooter at 38%. 对於PB的进攻端实在没有太多可以描述的,但还是再漂流一下吧: 1.原文说: PB是跟D.ROSE(被高估的)的实力平分秋色的,而PB射了更多3PT。 (版主:除非是我翻错了,我不是要引战呀,原文看起来就是这样,有待高手解读。) 2.有趣的是,PB非常注重出手选择: 篮框附近右侧3PT为主。 3.近距离占了出手命中总数之58%,3PT则是38%。 (详见出手分布图: http://0rz.tw/vDYnd + 命中率分布图 http://0rz.tw/fmAVz ) Most of Beverley's assists are also to 3 point shooters. According to 82games.com, over 50% of Patrick Beverley's assists are to 3 point shots, and 35% are to close range shots and dunks. He tries pretty hard to make the most efficient plays. Beverley is not really a stand out playmaker, but he does something that our other guards struggle to do, which is managing to keep his turnovers low. His assist to turnover ratio hovers around 2.7 which is the best on the team, and he averages a very respectable 3 assists a game average coming off the bench. The problem with Beverley's style as a game manager is that it is heavily subject to inconsistency of the 3 point shot. When the 3 points shots do not fall, a lot of Beverley's passes become wasted, and lead to long rebounds that leads to fast breaks for the other team, which is as good as a turnover. Since he doesn't look for his own shots as a penetrator, the offense becomes too heavily dependent on the perimeter and the shooting % of the team tends to drop. 4.更有趣的是PB大部分的助攻都传到三分线射手,而非禁区球员。(ASIK表示...) 根据82GAMES.COM调查,有超过50%助攻都是传给3PT SHOOTERS。 35%到禁区或者灌篮。 5.或许PB不像LIN或HARDEN是一个出色的PLAYMAKER, 但他总是尽力用力地把每个PLAY效益最大化,而这些绝活或许LIN跟HARDEN也作不太来。 例如:降地失误(助攻失误比[AST/TO]:2.7] + 3 ASTS/PER GAME的助攻数) 6.但这样的助攻法则终究会有漏洞: A.全体三分劳赛时,冏。 B.漏赛後长蓝板被对方反快攻 = 跟失误没两样 XD C.队形关系後卫占出手数高,而他相反是传球优先。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overall, for a 24 year old free agent rookie point guard from Russia signed in the middle of the season, Patrick Beverley has outperformed expectations by a mile, which fits the theme of this young Rockets team. While offensively, he has nominal impact, he is a disruptive force of hustle on the court defensively. He possess good natural tools and the proper instincts to use them to his advantage on defense. Hustle is infectious; every steal, block and offensive rebound that leads to points not only gets the team going, but also the fans. The ability to consistently spark energy from the hustle is a rare talent in itself, and Patrick Beverley brings that edge to play every single game. Beverley has proven himself an NBA player, an impactful one at that, and I for one, am glad that the Beverley effect works for the Rockets. 总结 以一个在季中突然空降的24岁小夥子,PB的表现已经出乎预料的好了。 他的融入火箭队,也为自己写下一个新的里程碑。 或许他在进攻端的表现并不抢眼,但他有强烈的防守强迫症! PB在防守端有着天生俱来的天赋和第六感,而且他的拼劲可以感染全队。 每一次抄截+每一个火锅+每一个进攻篮板,不只帮助球队得分,也感动了球迷们。 并且他带着这样的专注,这样的态度,这样的拼劲在每一场比赛中。(佩服,给你赞!) PB已经证明了他绝对能够在NBA生存, 而身为球迷的我(们)也同样为了他带给火箭队的火花而开心。 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 短评:这篇文章又让我学到好多,PB还真是有爱。 希望LIN跟HARDEN的会比这篇还长!!!!!!!!!! --



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1F:→ KenRock:我有事要出门了,这篇实在大长,晚一点再继续翻。 04/14 15:14
2F:推 ninaman:推,不过PB是6尺1喔!原po翻成6尺11了 04/14 15:28
3F:推 takewind:防守积极有时候会被吹一些很无言的犯规,改进就更完美了 04/14 15:32
4F:推 ppppllo:我是欣赏他打球的态度..全力以赴 04/14 16:00
5F:推 snowwof:推推,有些形容很好笑XD 可是LIN的抄截图连结失效 04/14 16:04
6F:→ KenRock:谢谢题醒!修车厂保养中! 04/14 16:21
7F:推 aaron123:所以他实在是莫雷的一偷 便宜又好用的角色球员 04/14 17:43
8F:推 Jormungandr:PUSH 04/14 17:55
9F:推 wengna:推 04/14 17:56
10F:推 olivelee:感谢翻译,这系列文章都很好看,没想到小贝也有专文 04/14 18:50
11F:→ KenRock:哈哈 我终於翻译完了! 累死!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 04/14 19:41
12F:→ KenRock:抱歉有部分推文不小心被我删掉了 ^_< 04/14 19:44
13F:推 hrmymeg:推~翻译辛苦了~这篇真的好长 04/14 19:45
14F:推 jaylafiend:推用心~ 而且我也感受到作者满满的爱了…XDD 04/14 19:46
15F:推 jt:推原po辛苦了 完全感受到作者对小贝满溢的爱 04/14 19:57
※ 编辑: KenRock 来自: 111.242.110.251 (04/14 19:58)
16F:推 olivelee:看完再推一次 喜欢小贝的拼劲和 对比赛的热情 04/14 20:04
17F:→ olivelee:原文提到小贝助攻方式给三分线居多 回想起来真的是这样 04/14 20:04
18F:→ olivelee:之前刚上场没几分钟就三四次犯规 现在真的好很多 04/14 20:05
19F:→ olivelee:情绪的控制也是 刚开始会打的过high吃T 现在好很多 04/14 20:06
20F:推 YTOM:推.... 04/14 20:42
21F:推 rutenac:推 辛苦了 很棒!! 黏的对方七上八下<<笑到我XDDDD 04/14 21:50
22F:推 meandre:关於Rose那段,"Chicago guard"指的就是PB 04/14 22:59
23F:→ meandre:因为在Chicago Public league 他跟Rose曾经同场竞技. 04/14 23:03
24F:→ KenRock:谢谢提醒,那请问" vaunted"是形容PB被高估的意思吗? 04/14 23:05
25F:推 meandre:我看其他文章发现很多人说PB是euroleague的Rose 04/14 23:09
26F:→ meandre:vaunted好像是吹嘘的意思,我还没想到这句话合理的翻译:P 04/14 23:11
27F:→ KenRock:Noted with Thanks! 04/14 23:18
28F:→ meandre:我会翻译成:身为曾与Rose同场精彩竞技而被大吹大捧的 04/14 23:18
29F:→ meandre:"芝加哥後卫",他目前在NBA却只多半是被当成三分射手使用 04/14 23:19
30F:推 meandre:这句话的背景知识也太多了,我还查了好多篇文章啊^^! 04/14 23:21
31F:推 barkleyc:推翻译 04/14 23:33
32F:→ KenRock:谢谢,我明天改,晚安,七点vs King喔 04/14 23:39
33F:推 meandre:不客气.也谢谢你量多质精的翻译~ 04/14 23:41







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