作者coolfly (]v[EGADET]-[)
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标题[情报] Mike Portnoy暗指Dream Theater新歌抄袭
时间Fri Dec 16 16:33:36 2011
来源:Blabbermouth(
http://tinyurl.com/86aqfql)
简单说就是有人在DT非官方网站上指出新歌Build Me Up, Break Me Down
和之前打手枪自选的2011年最爱专辑之一,基督教乐团RED的Until We Have Faces上
第一首歌Feed The Machine相像
MP听完後说:
「
Check out the first song on JP's fav album of the year....
听听看JP年度最爱专辑上的第一首歌
WOW, the arrangement and orchestration sounds awfully familiar!!
哇~编曲和管弦的编制像爆了!!
Surely it must be an intentional "nugget" for the fans...
一定是故意给歌迷的"彩蛋"吧...
It couldn't possibly be blatant formula plagiarism now could it...??
不可能是大剌剌照抄嘛...对吧?
I just have to laugh.... : )
我超想笑的...:)」
结果引发网友两极化的反应,一方指称MP离团後的表现非常没品
另一方则表示DT在MP还在籍时也有不少作品有别团的影子
MP说:
「
Hey...I'm not trying to start a war.... and I am indeed totally in a happy
place in my life and career... I'm just merely making an observation and
posting openly on my own forum like I always have and always will... If
anybody ELSE wants to blow this up, it's their choice and doing...not mine!
嘿,我不是想引战...我对自己现在的生活和工作很满意...我只不过是把观察到的事,
公开贴在我的个人论坛上,就像我一直在做的一样...假如有其他人想拿来大做文章,
那是他们的事,不是我的」
「
And PS - to defend music that I co-wrote/arranged (that were cited
previously in this thread), there's a difference between 'inspiration
corner'/'copping a certain vibe' and blatantly re-writing an existing song or
formula section by section...
此外,我要帮我合写/合编的歌曲辩护一下(前面的讨论有人批评它们),『截取灵感』
和『复制同样的气氛』,与大剌剌地以现成的歌曲为蓝本重写,或是一段一段地去复制
人家的编曲,是不同的」
「
Hey, I'm not mad...just merely sharing an observation as a listener...
sorry, when I heard that RED song, it immediately jumped out at me and
was pretty obvious.
嘿,我没生气...只是分享我作为听众所观察到的事而已...抱歉,当我一听到RED那首歌
这念头马上就浮现在我脑海,两者明显很像」
後面则是Ultimate-Guitar.com之前访问打手枪
问说有歌迷说A Dramatic Turn Of Events和92年的Images And Words很像
JP表示DT很多歌迷观察入微,不过他们并没有复制Images And Words的意思
RED - Feed The Machine
http://youtu.be/zj2uZO7xnus
Dream Theater - Build Me Up, Break Me Down
http://youtu.be/IPjG_OKlgic
---原文--
Did DREAM THEATER Draw Inspiration From Christian Rock Band? MIKE PORTNOY
Seems To Think So - Dec. 15, 2011
A registered user of the DreamTheaterForums.org web site, which is described
as the largest unofficial DREAM THEATER fan community on the Internet, has
pointed out the alleged similarities between "Feed The Machine", the opening
song on "Until We Have Faces", the third full-length studio album from
American Christian rock band RED, and "Build Me Up, Break Me Down", a track
from the latest DREAM THEATER CD, "A Dramatic Turn Of Events".
"Until We Have Faces" was released this past February and was selected by
DREAM THEATER guitarist John Petrucci as his favorite album of 2011. The
musician, who is responsible for the bulk of the songwriting in DREAM
THEATER, told the Roadrunner Records web site, "I just love everything about
the RED album. The songwriting, playing and production are all stellar!"
After a link to Petrucci's list of top albums of 2011 was posted on the
official forum of former DREAM THEATER drummer Mike Portnoy, Portnoy took it
upon himself to comment, "Check out the first song on [John Petrucci's] fave
album of the year.... WOW, the arrangement and orchestration sounds awfully
familiar!! Surely it must be an intentional 'nugget' for the fans... It
couldn't possibly be blatant formula plagiarism, now could it...?? I just
have to laugh..."
Portnoy's post was met with a mixed bag of reactions from the fans on his
forum, with some expressing their disappointment over the "classless" way he
chose to bring up the topic and some suggesting that DREAM THEATER has always
drawn "inspiration" from other bands, even while Mike was still a member of
the group. This led to Portnoy's follow-up message in which he wrote,
"Hey...I'm not trying to start a war.... and I am indeed totally in a happy
place in my life and career... I'm just merely making an observation and
posting openly on my own forum like I always have and always will... If
anybody ELSE wants to blow this up, it's their choice and doing...not mine!"
He added, "And PS - to defend music that I co-wrote/arranged (that were cited
previously in this thread), there's a difference between 'inspiration
corner'/'copping a certain vibe' and blatantly re-writing an existing song or
formula section by section..."
He continued, "Hey, I'm not mad...just merely sharing an observation as a
listener...sorry, when I heard that RED song, it immediately jumped out at me
and was pretty obvious."
This past September, a longtime DREAM THEATER fan posted an article online
which pointed out the alleged musical and structural similarities between "A
Dramatic Turn Of Events" and the group's breakthrough 1992 release, "Images
And Words".
When asked by Ultimate-Guitar.com for his response to the article, Petrucci
said, "I think our fans enjoy analyzing our music and looking at things under
a microscope and stuff, and it shows the level of passion from the fans for
what we do. They look at what we're doing, and they wanna know what's going
on. With every album people wanna try to find hidden messages and new
meanings, secret nuggets and things like that. People have always searched
for those types of things in our music. It shows how much our listeners are
strongly interested in what we're doing in a very detailed manner."
He added, "We really like music. We have a certain thing that we try to
accomplish musically, a certain sound that makes us who we are. The core
elements of DREAM THEATER, of who we are and how we make music. Those are
elements that are identifiable. That's what gives the band its sound, and
keeps the band having an identity."
After being pressed to comment on the fan's allegation that DREAM THEATER
"simply rewrote 'Images And Words'" for "A Dramatic Turn Of Events", Petrucci
said, "We wouldn't rewrite an album, no. That wouldn't be something that we
would do."
--
I had
nothing but the
embittered sun...
我一无所有,除却那怨毒的太阳……
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※ coolfly:转录至看板 DreamTheater 12/16 16:36
1F:推 kopfschuss:乐团人生... 12/16 16:37
MP离团後种种缺乏风度的表现令人相当失望:(
2F:推 nosap:I'm not trying to start a war~ 12/16 17:36
3F:推 LiGungShia:虽然很没风度 可是真的好像喔= = 12/16 18:27
4F:推 yesno1011:有完没完阿 囧 12/16 18:38
5F:推 lyl90:MP好糟糕.... 12/16 20:08
6F:推 Slash1987:对MP的印象直直下落= = 12/16 20:14
7F:推 opt815:原本有点同情他的说...现在是不是剩Neal Morse会理他... 12/16 21:10
8F:推 FantasyNova:正常的 人多少都会有点小傲娇 12/16 21:24
9F:→ FantasyNova:自己生出来的乐团 却只有自己离开 XD 12/16 21:24
10F:→ FantasyNova:多种情绪交杂再一起是很复杂的 如同感情~ 12/16 21:24
不是不能理解MP的心情,毕竟是曾为它奋斗多年过的乐团
却发现没有了自己,乐团依然发展得很好……
不过当初本来可以好聚好散的,搞成现在这样的局面
还是令人看了很难过
※ 编辑: coolfly 来自: 114.38.125.83 (12/16 22:03)
11F:推 jyunwei:好酸,满没风度的…之前走了想回回不去的关系吗 12/17 00:04
12F:推 kee32:我们等个20年看看,看他们会不会和解....... 12/17 11:46
13F:推 HouseOfSleep: 某个最近和解的等了30年...... 12/17 12:51
14F:嘘 wpd:我怎觉得这两首像的地方很少.... 12/17 17:52
15F:→ wpd: 纯嘘MP 12/17 17:52
16F:推 Gotthard:MP不是戒酒,难道现在改喝醋了ㄆㄆ~ 12/17 19:01
17F:→ Gotthard:赶快去做张超越DT的专辑,别光在那边酸~ 12/17 19:03
18F:推 adagiox:mp现在的心情是被老友背叛不要他了 跟怨妇一样 哭哭 12/18 18:02
19F:推 rockheart:mp应该参考DM才对啊,去组个dreamdeth 12/19 13:40