推 rocf117: 蝴蝶球投手 指力好像有限制 请高手解答 05/31 10:44 → rocf117: 投太多 指力撑不下去 05/31 10:45 蝴蝶球当然还是有限制的如果没有投球数限制,2012年Dickey 让他一直上就好了,对吧?2012年先发33场,平均投球数约101球 我本来以为球速越慢的蝴蝶球,球数限制越少,但查Wakefield的平均用球数, 其实还少一点 另外,前阵子FG有一篇S. Wright谈蝴蝶球的文章 http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/wrights-stuff-talking-knuckleballs-w ith-a-knuckleballer/ On his knuckleball: “I watched a lot of video of R.A. and Wakefield. I just throw it. I just grip and it and rip it. For me, I think its trying to stay under control. R.A. throws his harder, Wakefield threw his slower. I feel like I’m right in the middle of them – I don’t throw quite as hard as R.A. or quite as slow as Wakefield. We’re all pretty similar, we just throw it at different speeds.” On Dickey’s fast knuckleball: “The velocity definitely helps if it’s moving. It gives it sharper break, usually it’s later, and just the fact that it’s harder. If it’s thrown right it’s a tough pitch to hit. If it’s thrown slow it’s a tough pitch to hit. That’s just where he feels comfortable. It’s not that he’s trying to throw it that hard, that’s just how it comes out, so that’s how he’s comfortable pitching.” On whether harder knuckleballs work better in certain parts of the zone, akin to a high-spin fastball located up: “I think as long as it’s inconsistent in its movement, it will work. That’s the biggest key to knuckleballs: you want to be able to throw for strikes, but you want them to be inconsistent in the zone. You don’t want it to have predictable movement. I think that’s where the hard knuckleball kind of helps, because it can be a not-great knuckleball, but as long as it’s inconsistent, then you can get away with it.” On Wakefield’s three-quarters arm slot: “[Wakefield] still got pretty on top of the ball. I feel like every knuckleballer that I’ve seen throw is pretty much at the same type of arm slot. It’s a tough pitch to throw since you’re trying to throw with no spin so you’ve got to be behind the ball. It’s tough to do, but I think everybody’s sort of at the same.” Wakefield On what makes a bad knuckleball: “Usually it’s rushing. I try to overthrow. If I try to overthrow then it slips out and takes off. That’s something I’ve been fighting my whole life, even when I was a conventional pitcher.” On old knuckleballs: “I’ve seen a little bit of [Phil] Niekro and some Charlie Hough, it’s just that they’re real hard to find. They had video and stuff back then, they just didn’t keep it like they do now. Everything now is stored in a database and one click of the button you can have it. I usually try not to watch too much video, actually, because I’m not trying to mimic them. Sometimes I get caught up in trying to mimic how other knuckleballers throw instead of going out and being who I am as a pitcher.” On the evolution of the knuckleball: “I think it’s the same. It hasn’t changed much at all. You’re still throwing the pitch with the same intent – kill the spin. It’s not like curveballs and sliders where people have different release points trying to change the shape. You can talk about finger pressure and all that stuff, but when it comes down to it, you’ve got to stay behind the ball and through the ball to kill the spin. Especially because nowadays, with other pitches, everything is taught to try and create spin. We’re trying to do the opposite. We’re trying to not create spin at all. So I think over the years it’s kind of been the same. I worked with Charlie Hough and he did it for 20-something years, and he’s telling me pretty much the same stuff that Wakefield told me.” On varying finger pressure: “I don’t vary it much, and I don’t know many who do. You can feel it when you throw it, off your fingers, which way it’s going to go. But I can’t purposely do it. “When you put too much pressure on the ball, you usually spike it, because you hold onto it too long. When you don’t have enough pressure, it usually stays up. That one gets hit harder. But there’s a number of things that can happen. You can hold it too tight and still throw a good one. “I’ve done both, certainly a lot when I was learning. I’ve had too much pressure, I’ve had not enough pressure. It’s something that, it’s such a feel pitch, that some days are different than others and you just try to find it as fast as you can and when you do find it, you just try to keep it for as long as you can and hope for the best.” Wright有看过老蝴蝶Dickey的影片,也看过 Niekro跟C. Hough的, 老蝴蝶的KN球比较慢,Dickey的比较快, 老蝴蝶: 66 mile Dickey: 75.9 mile Wright: 74.7 mile 速度会帮助KN球位移更锐利,很难打,但老蝴蝶速度慢也是很难打, 看投手自己觉得怎麽投比较适合自己 蝴蝶球重要的是球位移越不可预测越好,球要乱飘但要进好球带 bla bla bla 大致上意思是这样吧,没闲翻全部,有兴趣自己看原文 -- 秦仲海: 去你妈的狗杂碎少说两句不嫌吵！ --

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