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Shawn Adorno (Saugerties, NY): I've heard a comp of Carlos Delgado for Rafael Devers. So hard to project power... but do you think that is his ceiling? Also, how quickly do the Red Sox feel Moncada could reach the bigs? Thanks. @Shawn Adorno (Saugerties, NY): 我听到有人将Rafael Devers比为Carlos Delgado, power真的很难预测啊...但你认为Devers的天花板在哪? Alex Speier: His ceiling is middle-of-the-order All-Star, and he has a chance to stay at third, which opens up a different array of comps. I heard comparisons to young versions of Cano, Beltre, and Sandoval. There isn’t that much imagination needed to project his power, though — I saw him demolish some pitches to straightaway CF, in a way that 18-year-olds rarely do. Alex Speier: Devers的天花板是打线核心的全明星球员,而且他有机会待在三垒─这点 让模板比较更复杂了。我听到的版本有年轻版的Cano, Beltre, Sandoval。还有有关他的 power预测,其实不需要用太多的想像力补足,Devers已经能把球干出中外野─这对18岁 球员来说是相当罕见的。 -- CVC (Ohio): Is Marco Hernandez breakout sustainable? and do you think he'll be able to be a regular or mainly just a utility player? CVC (Ohio): Marco Hernandez的爆发能持续吗?他能成为先发还是只能担任工具人? Alex Speier: Most likely a utility guy, but he’s a solid defender with the ability to make some hard contact, so there’s at least a chance he could spend time as something more than that at some point in his career. Obviously, the Sox thought it was worth a 40-man spot to see where his 2015 step forward goes. Alex Speier: 比较有可能成为工具人,但是他的防守佳、打击能打得紮实,所以他至少 有机会获得更多的上场机会。显然红袜认为把他加进40人名单、多加观察是值得的。 -- Kyle (Columbus): What is your opinion on Wendal Rijo. Was he close to making this list. Does he look like a Regular or a utility player? Kyle (Columbus): 你对Wendal Rijo的评价如何?他偏向先发还是工具人? Alex Speier: Rijo doesn’t have a clean consensus. He has at least a chance to be an everyday guy, because the hit tool is very advanced for a teenager and he showed considerable defensive improvement this year at 2B. He doesn’t seem to profile as a utility option, however, since he’s probably limited in the IF to 2B. He’ll represent an interesting 40-man protection question after this coming season. Alex Speier: 球探们对Rijo的评价依然不一。他还有机会成为每日先发,因为他拥有超 龄的hit tool、二垒的防守也有大幅进步。 但是Rijo并不符合工具人的要件,他应该只能守内野或二垒。他在下季结束後能不能进 入40人名单将是观察重点。 -- Randall (Salem): What do we think the power upside on Benintendi is? Would you venture a comp? Randall (Salem): Benintendi的power天花板在哪?模板? Alex Speier: He hit 31 homers in about 110 games in college and the minors this year, so … the ultimate power upside has to be viewed as impressive, even if a more reasonable expectation would be about half that figure. Some of the comps brought up by scouts/evaluators: Mark Kotsay, LH version of Mookie Betts (small in stature but with great approach and ability to barrel the ball), Ellsbury, among others. Alex Speier: 他在大学和小联盟的110场比赛就打出31支全垒打,所以最高的天花板... 很棒─合理推估可能落在一半。有些球探的比较是Mark Kotsay、左打版Mookie Betts (身材矮但打击策略优异、能紮实咬中球)、Ellsbury等等。 -- Ben (Rhode Island): I know it's tough to predict but who does Anderson Espinoza remind you of in today's game? And what do you see his ceiling being? Ben (Rhode Island): 我知道很难预测,但是Anderson Espinoza像哪位投手?他的天花 板在哪? Alex Speier: His slight stature, smooth delivery, incredible power stuff, and maturity/makeup prompted a lot of people to say that he reminded them of a teenage Pedro, including Goose Gregson, the Red Sox’ Latin American pitching coordinator who worked with a 16-/17-year-old Pedro with the Dodgers. Pedro said the same. He has the makings of three plus pitches, so there’s legitimate ace potential. That’s far from a guarantee (see Bundy, Dylan), but he’s ridiculously talented at a ridiculously young age. Alex Speier: 身材稍偏矮瘦、投球机制顺畅、惊人的球速并拥有成熟度和不错的makeup ,让许多人声称看到年轻版Pedro(包含在Pedro年轻时合作过的训练员)、甚至是Pedro 本人都这麽说。Espinosa有三个plus球种,所以这代表着ace潜力。当然这不能保证他确 实能成为ace(看看Dylan Bundy),但是Espinosa这麽年轻就拥有这种天分,夸张。 -- Raymond (New York): Hi Alex, what do you think of the cost for Kimbrel ? I think the Red Sox did quite well as they kept a lot of their better prospects and didn't lose any high draftees.(Owens,Johnson,Ball, Kopech,Bradley) thanks Raymond (New York): 您觉得Kimbrel交易案的代价如何?我觉得红袜做得很好,他们留 下很多更棒的新秀,也没丢掉高顺位选进来的人(Owens,Johnson,Ball, Kopech, Bradley)。 Alex Speier: They preserved their complete inventory of major league cornerstone players (Bogaerts, Betts, Swihart, Rodriguez) and their top four prospects. I’m still at least a bit surprised that three prospects of that caliber ended up getting moved (Guerra and Margot along with Asuaje wouldn’t have done it?), but I also think that the way the market values relievers is in a state of flux that requires everyone to reassess their preconceptions … in the same way that we need to stop expressing shock that “OMG, how is worth $20 million a year?” To get an elite starter along with two elite relievers while giving up two excellent prospects who happened to be at redundant positions and keeping the draft pick … the larger picture seems reasonable for what the Sox have done this offseason. Alex Speier: 红袜保留了所有大联盟基石(Bogaerts, Betts, Swihart, Rodriguez)以及 四大新秀。我多少还是对於三个这种层级的新秀被卖掉感到惊讶,但我认为市场对於牛棚 投手的价值衡量已经改变了,大家必须跟着改变旧思维─就像是我们必须停止屏除「挖, $20M欸,好贵」这种思维。为了抓下王牌先发和两个优质牛棚,卖掉位置重复的两位顶级 新秀并留下选秀权...通盘思考,红袜的move似乎合情合理。 -- JJ O'Connor (Mass): Where would Manuel Margot rank on this list? And is it true he wasn't as valued by Red Sox officials as most in the outside thought? JJ O'Connor (Mass): Manuel Margot排在哪?他在红袜眼中是否没外界估的那麽高? Alex Speier: He was valued plenty … but the Sox have Betts, Bradley, Benintendi, not to mention Basabe. The industry consensus on him, both inside and outside the Sox organization, came across as very consistent: Excellent likelihood of being a roughly average everyday CF who hits in the bottom third of the order. Alex Speier: 他的评价很高,但是红袜手上已经有Betts, Bradley, Benintendi,还有 是Basabe。球团内外的评价都很类似,很高的机会能成为平均等级的先发CF、打线中的 最後三棒。 -- Wellington (Fort Myers, FL): There seems to be a drop off after the top 6/7. Anyone on the lower levels of the system that could make a big leap? Wellington (Fort Myers, FL): 感觉第6,7名跟後面的新秀有很大的落差。後面有哪位新 秀能爆发? Alex Speier: I do agree that there’s a pretty significant drop beyond the top seven — not a lot of guys beyond that who combine high probability with high ceiling, but that’s the nature of the beast. It was, frankly, ridiculous that the Sox had as deep a pool of high-end prospects as they did prior to the Kimbrel trade. Alex Speier: 我同意Top 7跟後面有不小差距,农场里高成功率与高天花板兼具的球员 毕竟是少数,但是在Kimbrel交易案前红袜农场中的高级新秀深度只能用夸张来形容。 -- Adirondack (Syracuse, NY): Red Sox first baseman of the future, Travis Shaw or Sam Travis? Which player has the better all around skills? Adirondack (Syracuse, NY): 红袜未来一垒手,Travis Shaw or Sam Travis?哪一位 选手较为全面? Alex Speier: Good question. Travis has a better hit tool. Shaw has more present power and is a better defender. He’s also lefthanded, which helps. Somehow, I see the Sox gerrymandering playing time for both for a number of years. Alex Speier: 好问题。Travis有比较优的hit tool,Shaw展现出更多power,防守也比较 好─而且是左打,这点有不小帮助。我的感觉是红袜有几年会给两个人分享上场时间。 -- Manolo Ozuna (Providence, RI): How do scouts grade Espinoza's secondary pitches? Manolo Ozuna (Providence, RI): 球探对Espinosa的变化球评价? Alex Speier: The changeup and curve were both viewed as being at least average now, albeit without the consistency one would seek out of a major leaguer. But Espinoza has super-long fingers that let him perform some feats of prestidigitation when it comes to manipulating and spinning a baseball. Alex Speier: changeup和curve至少都是average,但还缺乏大联盟球员的稳定性。 题外话,Espinosa拥有超长的手指,这给他操控球种的优势。 -- Athletic frame. High baseball IQ. Xander Smooth, fluid swing. Bogaerts Elite batspeed. #01 Strong and explosive hands. Above-average-to-better power ceiling, potential 30 home run bat. --



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1F:推 jameshu0910: 12/23 00:05
2F:推 Okajima: Manuel Margot如果只能长成後三棒,那趁现在卖是对的 12/23 00:20
3F:推 JButton: 推 12/23 00:20
4F:推 KOSHON: 有看有推。哇呜,年轻版神右,有没这麽high 啊 12/23 00:21
5F:推 Unleashed: 推! 12/23 00:29
6F:推 tortoise2006: 每次看这种都觉得很热血 12/23 00:51
7F:推 mygoing: 每次看到有小Pedro之类的都有无限想像空间 12/23 01:47
8F:推 myde: Benintendi模板竟然是Kotsay,整个对他从超期待到冷一半 12/23 08:54
9F:推 oopsmamamiya: 这篇是过度捧吗? 很担心这麽看好是为了卖相 12/23 09:37
10F:推 maxspeed150: 选秀时就有说可能是power比较好的Jon Jay啦 12/23 09:49
11F:→ maxspeed150: 这篇还不到过度捧 至少一般乡民版球探报告都差不多 12/23 09:51
12F:→ maxspeed150: 这样 12/23 09:51
13F:推 JohnLackey: 蛮喜欢benintendi 不过他好像没上场空间了 12/23 09:54
14F:推 try107799: 推 12/23 12:33
15F:推 betadu: Kotsay 不差了 是可以打到15发,ops110的有手套外野 12/23 19:31
16F:推 alex710707: Mark Kotsay生涯才三个球季OPS+110以上,同时拿 12/23 19:50
17F:→ alex710707: Kotsay,M. Betts跟Ellsbury来比较,Kotsay跟他们根本不 12/23 19:50
18F:→ alex710707: 同等级,Benintendi是有可能只变成Kotsay这Level,但天 12/23 19:51
19F:→ alex710707: 花板绝不是Kotsay 12/23 19:51
20F:推 matsuhuang: 觉得比较像脚程更快的NIXON 12/23 20:21
21F:→ matsuhuang: 抱歉收回 这样太强了 12/23 20:23
22F:→ nickyang: 模板不是天花板。Ellsbury跟Kotsay怎样不同级? 12/24 03:15
23F:→ nickyang: 长成Kotsay很不错了,可以在大联盟先发6个球季的新秀已 12/24 03:16
24F:→ nickyang: 经非常成功 12/24 03:16
25F:→ nickyang: Margot本来就是个四号外野,可能有两三个先发不错的球季 12/24 03:17
26F:→ nickyang: ,要在大联盟每天先发是很了不起的 12/24 03:17
27F:→ cyscys: Speier是不是低估了Benin 12/24 04:52
28F:推 nickyang: 去看看Betts跟Kotsay在高阶打怎样先 12/24 06:12
29F:推 nickyang: 看完再想想在A打3/4/5的Benin拿他们当模板有没有道理 12/24 06:14
30F:推 matsuhuang: Kotsay很棒,跟Betts比我还不敢说,不过肯定和Ells不 12/24 08:29
31F:→ matsuhuang: 是ㄧ个等级 12/24 08:29
32F:→ matsuhuang: 洋基再凯也不会给Kotsayㄧ年2000up的大约 12/24 08:30
33F:推 matsuhuang: 不过如果只比power这三人的确是同等级。。 12/24 08:46
34F:推 alex710707: M. Betts>J. Ellsbury>M. Kotsay 12/24 08:49
35F:推 nickyang: 差了十年比价钱是什麽概念啊?2004年洋基也不会给David 12/24 08:50
36F:→ nickyang: Price 30M 12/24 08:50
37F:→ alex710707: M. Margot是4th OF,是指天花板,模板还地板? 12/24 08:52
38F:→ alex710707: 4th OF,怎能当金宝交易案主菜 12/24 08:53
39F:推 nickyang: 你是真的知道Kotsay是谁还是看BR在说故事? 12/24 09:01
40F:→ nickyang: Kotsay在背伤失去运动能力之前是联盟前五名的CF 12/24 09:01
41F:→ nickyang: Ells差不多也是,两个人可以给你115左右wRC+,plus的CF 12/24 09:02
42F:→ nickyang: 防守。打击的型态也很像,拿来相比非常合理 12/24 09:02
43F:→ nickyang: Magort的打击跟这两人不能比,在巅峰期可以期待有几个高 12/24 09:03
44F:→ nickyang: 过平均的成绩,如果他运动能力退化大概就没了 12/24 09:03
45F:→ nickyang: 你好像搞不清楚像Magort这样的球员有多少价值?可以守中 12/24 09:04
46F:→ nickyang: 外野,有几个球季能摸得到平均,大概前六年就能有20左右 12/24 09:05
47F:→ nickyang: 的WAR,拿来当换金宝的主菜很奇怪吗? 12/24 09:05
48F:→ nickyang: Betts的power如果没有长出来大概也是跟Ells/Kotsay差不 12/24 09:07
49F:→ nickyang: 多 12/24 09:07
50F:→ nickyang: 可以跟他们差不多已经是联盟前几名的球员了 12/24 09:07
51F:推 alex710707: 6年 WAR 20的球员是4th OF? 12/24 09:07
52F:→ nickyang: 他现在的sure thing就只有防守,说他是4th OF没什麽奇怪 12/24 09:10
53F:→ nickyang: 所有事情都往对的那面走他才会be more than 4th 12/24 09:10
54F:推 LucasDuda: Lagares健康打六年大概也有20WAR (逃~ 12/24 09:11
55F:推 alex710707: 照这样讲,应该说Margot"地板是4th OF,而不是模板是 12/24 09:12
56F:→ alex710707: 4th OF" 不是吗? 12/24 09:12
57F:推 nickyang: Margot的棒子问题太大,等他在3A还可以撑住他的BA再来说 12/24 09:14
58F:→ nickyang: 地板比较靠谱。 12/24 09:14
59F:→ nickyang: 现在比起去年要说他地板是4th已经可靠一点了,但是他的 12/24 09:15
60F:→ nickyang: power大概是不用想了,没有power的OF不管防守再好,不能 12/24 09:16
61F:推 alex710707: 我不清楚Kotsay过去的背景,低估了他没错,不过关於 12/24 09:16
62F:→ nickyang: 打个两成七两成八的想当4th也当不了几年 12/24 09:16
63F:→ alex710707: M. Betts跟Margot的部分,我认同 12/24 09:16
64F:→ alex710707: 不 12/24 09:16
65F:→ alex710707: 现在的Betts比Kotsay, Ellsbury好多了,21岁上MLB, 12/24 09:19
66F:→ alex710707: 22岁第一个完整球季就缴6 WAR 12/24 09:20
67F:推 alex710707: Of不是只看Power吧? 特别是CF,照这样讲,Ellsbury不就 12/24 09:22
68F:→ alex710707: 也是4th OF? 他也没Power 12/24 09:22
69F:推 alex710707: 各家对Margot 的评价都是average regular,包含比较不 12/24 09:28
70F:→ alex710707: 会椪风的BP,说Margot地板4th OF我认同,在MLB版大放 12/24 09:28
71F:→ alex710707: 厥词说他只是个4th OF,被笑不能怪人 12/24 09:28
72F:推 nickyang: 谁说CF只看power了? 12/24 09:47
73F:→ nickyang: 你去统计看看各家包含不会碰风的BP对2A评价是regular的 12/24 09:48
74F:→ nickyang: 最後几个人真的成了regular超过六年 12/24 09:48
75F:推 nickyang: 翻了一下BP,"comes with extreme risk"是可以无视的吗 12/24 10:08
76F:推 alex710707: Potential: High 6 first-division player, Realistic 12/24 10:24
77F:→ alex710707: Role: 5; average major leaguer, Risk Factor: High 12/24 10:24
78F:→ alex710707: risk 12/24 10:25
79F:→ alex710707: 没超过6年就是4th OF? 12/24 10:25
80F:推 alex710707: Michael Bourn没炮瓦 也打不到两成七,当了好几年 12/24 10:32
81F:→ alex710707: Regular 12/24 10:32
82F:推 nickyang: 谁又说没超过六年就是4th OF了? 12/24 10:44
83F:推 alex710707: 还有TOP 5 CF的Ellsbury打了8年(不算第一年)26 WAR 12/24 10:44
84F:→ alex710707: (有两年DL),为何预估打6年能有20 WAR的Margot就是 12/24 10:44
85F:→ nickyang: 你要讨论,回文之前先想一下别人到底在说什麽好吗? 12/24 10:44
86F:→ alex710707: 4th OF? 8年26WAR跟6年20 WAR的差距是All Star到 12/24 10:44
87F:→ alex710707: 4th OF的落差? 12/24 10:44
88F:→ nickyang: Michael Bourn前几年每年位置都被挑战,到2011才喷发 12/24 10:45
89F:→ nickyang: 你要找例子佐证先去了解到底你举的例子是怎麽回事好吗 12/24 10:45
90F:→ nickyang: 一直看BR说故事是要怎麽讨论下去? 12/24 10:46
91F:→ nickyang: Ells的WAR多少是防守来的多少是棒子来的看一下好吗 12/24 10:47
92F:推 nickyang: 前几年Bourn就是个典型防守好但是打个90左右的CF 12/24 10:51
93F:→ nickyang: 那时候太色人一团乱就不说了,即使如此也一天到晚要换掉 12/24 10:51
94F:→ nickyang: 他。後来他打个105左右就拿到那张四年约,所以这不是很 12/24 10:52
95F:→ nickyang: 明白吗?MM的棒子决定他是值得别人给他四年约的还是一天 12/24 10:53
96F:→ nickyang: 到晚要被换掉的,他真打个90大概有两三年的regular可以 12/24 10:53
97F:→ nickyang: 打,超过100大概值得FA後一张长约,他现在的评价像是谁 12/24 10:54
98F:→ nickyang: 敢说他有多大机会打超过100的样子吗? 12/24 10:54
99F:→ nickyang: 教士搞定他们办公室的问题的话大概知道自己要重建个三四 12/24 10:55
100F:→ nickyang: 年至少,MM如果打个90要在教士当个CF机会很高,啊那些要 12/24 10:56
101F:→ nickyang: 拼的球队会想找这样的球员来当regular吗? 12/24 10:56
102F:→ nickyang: 红袜自己一个JBJ就一天到晚要卖要卖的,JBJ还已经打到ML 12/24 10:57
103F:→ nickyang: 了,现在在那边讲MM可以regular不知道是哪招 12/24 10:57
104F:推 alex710707: 照这样讲评估球员用oWAR就好,何必有WAR? 12/24 12:04
105F:推 nickyang: 你的世界都是全有全无的话我不知道要怎麽解释 12/24 12:30
106F:推 maxspeed150: 1.Margot有all-star的talent 而现在看起来他也至少有 12/24 13:47
107F:→ maxspeed150: 4th OF的地板 两者的差异在打击方面的成长 但是不管 12/24 13:47
108F:→ maxspeed150: 怎麽说期待Margot有Betts或Benin的power是不可能的 12/24 13:48
109F:→ maxspeed150: 所以他最好最好就是Michael Bourn #2 12/24 13:48
110F:→ maxspeed150: 2.能打的CF比能守的CF值钱 守备强如Lagares位置都抖 12/24 13:49
111F:→ maxspeed150: 抖了 Pillar如果遇到更会打而且又能守CF的也会让位 12/24 13:50
112F:→ maxspeed150: (能守=能给他站) 12/24 13:50
113F:→ maxspeed150: 所以 "Margot = 4th OF"的这个陈述如果是在描述现况 12/24 13:51
114F:→ maxspeed150: 的话倒是没什麽不对 但问题就在Padres会选他当主菜 12/24 13:51
115F:→ maxspeed150: 绝对不是期待他只当4th OF 而是想养成regular 12/24 13:52
116F:推 alex710707: 他的Power大概是平均水准,你不能因为他今年HR少 12/24 15:15
117F:→ alex710707: 就断定他没炮瓦,20岁打AA算很年轻了,Betts两年多前 12/24 15:15
118F:→ alex710707: 的Power评价还算below average呢 12/24 15:15
119F:→ alex710707: 4th OF该怎麽定义,2nd division regular跟4th OF 12/24 15:17
120F:→ alex710707: 是否有分别? 12/24 15:17
121F:推 carrhung: 每次看到两位对话都可以学到一些观念XD 12/24 20:02
122F:推 IanMason: 路过看两位吵,都觉得有吵再点上.重点是MM还太嫩 12/25 02:44
123F:→ IanMason: 现在不管怎麽吵都有理罗! 12/25 02:44
124F:推 alex710707: 不算嫩了,都打到AA了,版友觉得他嫩,打击不好,没炮瓦 12/25 06:08
125F:→ alex710707: 大概是看今年在A+跟AA三围吧?.740的OPS不算好,但也不 12/25 06:09
126F:→ alex710707: 差,更何况新秀在MILB层级的数据本来就是参考用的,20岁 12/25 06:09
127F:→ alex710707: 的新秀屌毛才长齐,更上一个层级打更Polished,球威更猛 12/25 06:09
128F:→ alex710707: 的投手遇到问题很正常,A升A+是一个重要关卡,A+到AA是 12/25 06:10
129F:→ alex710707: 另一个,要看这种问题是否严重不是单纯看三围而已,应该 12/25 06:10
130F:→ alex710707: 要去考虑各项Tool如何,手眼协调性,选球眼,运动能力, 12/25 06:10
131F:→ alex710707: Raw Power等,再从这些Tool去看他是否能把这些能力转化 12/25 06:11
132F:→ alex710707: 到棒球上(适应力),考量新秀的未来性,年纪,Tool跟适应 12/25 06:11
133F:→ alex710707: 力都是重要考量,他的Tool就不讲了,年纪跟适应力方面, 12/25 06:11
134F:→ alex710707: 3年从17岁RK一路打到AA,算很棒了,至於以他的素质在AA 12/25 06:11
135F:→ alex710707: 得普普未来是否能Break through或是就此卡关?这就要看 12/25 06:12
136F:→ alex710707: 球探报告,虽我没看过他季中以後的报告,但基本上应该是 12/25 06:12
137F:→ alex710707: 乐观的,一来如同上述他"刚满"21岁,二来百大新秀的排名 12/25 06:12
138F:→ alex710707: 他开季大概是60~90名左右,季中的排名升到20~30名左右, 12/25 06:12
139F:→ alex710707: 这些排名都是依据球探报告的,如果今年出现大问题,为 12/25 06:12
140F:→ alex710707: 何不降反升呢? 20岁打AA在百大20~30名算很好的新秀, 12/25 06:13
141F:→ alex710707: 地板: 4th OF,预期: 1st division Regular应该是合 12/25 06:13
142F:→ alex710707: 理的预期 12/25 06:14
143F:→ alex710707: 某专业人士在MLB版说Margot只能换後段轮值,还呛别人有 12/25 06:17
144F:→ alex710707: 没有看过他在Greenville打球根本出来丢脸的 12/25 06:17
145F:→ BusterPosey: φ(._. )> 12/25 08:41
146F:推 nickyang: 要你学会对事不对人大概是不可能的,但是Margot+Guerra 12/25 09:40
147F:→ nickyang: 跟其他你本人也坚持不是杂鱼的去换顶级CL,那麽他讲的MM 12/25 09:41
148F:→ nickyang: 换後段轮值并没错呀 12/25 09:41
149F:→ nickyang: 至於讲一大堆Magort怎样,为什麽不去翻翻你认为不如Ells 12/25 09:44
150F:→ nickyang: 的Kotsay在minor的数字呢? 12/25 09:44
151F:→ nickyang: 如果在2A打3/4/5的Kotsay如此不堪,那.27/.32/.42的MM 12/25 09:46
152F:→ nickyang: 可以一片光明又是什麽理由呢?怎麽看下来都只是你对他太 12/25 09:46
153F:→ nickyang: 有爱而已 12/25 09:46
154F:推 alex710707: 一般认为Elite CL价值等同3号不是吗? 怎会是後段? 12/25 11:35
155F:→ alex710707: 更何况近期GM对CL的价值评估似乎是提高了,即使 12/25 11:35
156F:→ alex710707: Margot+Guerra换CL 二换一,但除非开始皱掉的新秀, 12/25 11:35
157F:→ alex710707: 否则Top 30左右的新秀单换一个後段轮值我印象中是 12/25 11:35
158F:→ alex710707: 没有 12/25 11:36
159F:→ alex710707: Kotsay的部分我认同啊,前面推文就承认我并不了解这 12/25 11:36
160F:→ alex710707: 老球员过去的背景,承认低估了他 12/25 11:36
161F:→ alex710707: 小联盟三围本来就参考用的不是吗? 你断言Margot 12/25 11:36
162F:→ alex710707: PS+90的依据在哪? 单纯因为他今年三围? 12/25 11:36
163F:推 nickyang: Elite CL价值是3号,然後Margot单换换不到啊-_-到底有没 12/25 11:53
164F:→ nickyang: 没有在看别人写什麽啊?谁又断言MM打90了? 12/25 11:53
165F:→ nickyang: MM就是加了一堆你自己认为很威的新秀才换得到等同三号的 12/25 11:54
166F:→ nickyang: CL,啊说MM单换後段有很突兀吗? 12/25 11:54
167F:推 alex710707: 要这样挑着看,我无话可说 12/25 12:00
168F:推 nickyang: 挑着看什麽?你要硬把我没说过的话塞过来然後怪我不回应 12/25 12:04
169F:推 nickyang: 跟你这货认真真的浪费生命 12/25 12:44
170F:推 taker627: XDD 12/25 12:45
171F:推 alex710707: 你也不过是拿只小联盟数据来评估的家伙 12/25 12:48
172F:→ alex710707: 只拿 12/25 12:49
173F:推 nickyang: 讲得好像自己除了数据还懂得什麽一样XD 12/25 14:23
174F:→ nickyang: 那篇除了你最爱的百大排名之外什麽数据都没有啊BP专家哥 12/25 14:24
175F:推 alex710707: "拿小联盟数据预估大联盟表现不可靠"这不是基本常识 12/25 14:51
176F:→ alex710707: 跟你看法不一就是错的?一再拿这种不可靠的方法来说嘴 12/25 14:51
177F:→ alex710707: 是? 12/25 14:52
178F:→ alex710707: 互酸攻击已失去讨论本意,过去我在这跟其他版友吵干扰 12/25 14:52
179F:→ alex710707: 到别人,我不再让版主难做人,你要坚持己见是你的自由, 12/25 14:52
180F:→ alex710707: 我不再回覆 12/25 14:52
181F:推 nickyang: 大哥,你不要拿你写信问我时我跟你讲的东西跑来强调好吗 12/25 14:53
182F:→ alex710707: 更正第一行 这不是基本常识? 12/25 14:54
183F:→ nickyang: 到底是谁拿小联盟数据来预测啊?脑补恼羞还有什麽赖皮招 12/25 14:55
184F:→ nickyang: 呀? 12/25 14:55
185F:推 pain0: 断章取义好猛 12/27 16:37







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