作者seekforever (sadnessflower)
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标题[讨论] Free Agent Profile: Jon Lester
时间Thu Nov 20 21:52:43 2014
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/free-agent-profile-jon-lester.html
Ten months ago, the common belief was that Jon Lester would sign an extension
that would keep him in a Red Sox jersey into his late 30s. A lot can change
in a few months, however, and Lester soon found himself donning the green and
gold of the Oakland A’s following a midseason trade from a surprisingly poor
Boston club. Though many Red Sox fans wouldn’t have believed it would come
to this, the lefty is now fair game on the open market.
十个月以前 一般认为Lester会跟红袜签下延长合约 成为终身红袜人
然而上季球队战绩的不振 让他意外在季中穿上了运动家的球衣
现在他得以在市场上测试他到底值多少$$
Strengths/Pros 优势
To put things in the simplest of forms, Lester is a true ace at this point in
his career. He misses bats, has strong control and piles up innings. Among
free agent starters, Lester’s 2.46 ERA last year leads the pack by a long
shot, as does his 2.80 FIP. He was worth 6.1 wins above replacement, per
Fangraphs’ version of the metric (which is based on FIP), and he was worth
5.8 wins when looking at RA9-WAR, which is based on actual runs allowed. Both
metrics were tops among free agent starters. He struck out 220 hitters and
walked just 48 in 219 2/3 innings this season (9.0 K/9, 2.0 BB/9).
简单来说 他在此刻是个真ACE 能让打者挥空 控球好又能吃局数
上赛季2.46的防御率在FA中领先 以FIP来看 他上赛季的WAR是6.1
以实际帮球队省下来的分数来看 他上赛季的WAR是5.8
两者都显示他是顶尖的先发投手
上赛季他在219局里三振了220位打者 只保送了48人 (9.0 K/9, 2.0 BB/9)
The 2014 campaign marked the sixth time in seven seasons that
Lester has topped the 200-inning threshold, and he totaled a strong 191 2/3
in the lone season he fell short (2011). His 219 2/3 innings trails only Max
Scherzer (220 1/3) and James Shields (227) among fellow free agents. Dating
back to 2008, his age-24 season, Lester has averaged 207 innings per season.
He’s hit the DL just once in that time, spending a mere 19 days on the shelf
with a strained lat in his left shoulder. That minor injury is all that
prevented him from seven straight 200-inning seasons.
上个球季是他过去七个球季里 投球局数第六度达到200局大关
唯一没到200局的2011年 也吃了191 2/3局
上季投了219 2/3局 FA中仅次於Scherzer (220 1/3局)跟Shields (227局)
2008年起 他平均每年可以吃下207局 只进了DL一次 (19天)
Lester was a strikeout machine early in his career, but his K/9 numbers
dipped in recent seasons, settling in the mid-7.00s before his resurgent 9.0
K/9 in 2014. Lester pounded the strike zone early this season, registering a
61.4 percent first-pitch strike rate — the highest mark of his career.
Perhaps being ahead in the count more often than ever improved the
effectiveness of his curveball, or perhaps it was the fact that he threw it
slower than ever before (75.1 mph average), but Lester’s 18.2 percent whiff
rate on his curve was easily the strongest of his career, resulting in the
restored strikeout rate.
他生涯早期是个三振机器 虽然12跟13年 K/9曾经掉到7.5左右 上赛季又回升到9.0
上季的好表现得力於他积极攻击好球带 第一球好球率高达61.4% 生涯最高
同时改善了他曲球的效率 或许是调整了曲球的速度 使得速差更明显的关系
18.2%的让对手挥空率 也是生涯最佳 让他重新找回他的三振能力
Most of Lester’s career has come in a large market in the game’s most
hitter-friendly division, and he’s thrived in that setting, for the most
part. Teams will appreciate that component of his game, and his postseason
experience won’t hurt either. Lester has a 2.57 career ERA in 84 postseason
innings. He’s a two-time World Series champion that has been on five playoff
rosters.
他生涯绝大部分的时间都在大市场球队以及对打者最有利的球场之一投球
而他大部分的时间都展现了他的压制力
季後赛的表现与例行赛同样杰出 84局里防御率低到只有2.57
五度名列季後赛名单里 已经拿下两枚冠军戒指
Lester’s main competition this year will be Scherzer, with Shields
representing the third-best arm on the market. However, unlike his peers atop
this year’s free agent class, Lester does not have a qualifying offer
attached to him; he was ineligible to receive one after being traded
midseason and can therefore be signed without the forfeiture of a draft pick.
在自由球员市场中 他主要的比较对象是Scherzer Shields则是第三选择
与其他两人不同 由於季中被交易的关系 他身上没有绑QO 签下他的球队也不用赔第一轮
Weaknesses/Cons 弱点
Lester was flat out elite this season, much like he was in his first full
three seasons, but from 2011-13, he looked more like a good starter than a
truly great one. In that time, Lester posted a 4.03 ERA, 3.84 FIP, 7.7 K/9
and 3.1 BB/9 — useful numbers to be sure, but not the type of stats one
associates with a pitcher in search of a six- or seven-year contract.
他上赛季的表现无疑是精英级的 与他前三个完整球季(08-10)一样
然而在2011-2013这段期间里 他看起来像是个好投手而非顶尖投手
这段期间里他的防御率4.03 FIP则高到3.84 7.7 K/9跟3.1 BB/9等数字
都让他看起来不像是个可以拿到六至七年长约的投手
Though he averaged better than 93 mph on his fastball earlier in his career,
Lester’s velocity settled into the mid-92 range from 2011-13 and dipped even
further in 2014, averaging 91.8 mph. Of course, that’s still plenty of life,
especially considering the fact that he’s left-handed.
生涯初期均速有93 mph以上 在2011-2013这段期间里略降到92.5左右
在上个赛季更降到只有91.8 mph
当然这还是个不错的数字 特别是他还是个左投手
Lester turns 31 in January, meaning that a six-year deal would run through
his age-36 season and a seven-year pact would run through his age-37
campaign. Clearly, that’s a risky commitment, though such is the case with
all top-of-the-market free agents. He’s younger than Shields, but Scherzer
pitches most of next season at age 30, so his main competitor has age on his
side.
他在一月将满31岁 这意味着给他六年约将会涵盖他36岁的球季 (七年约则同理)
显然这是一个有风险的决定 即便这是追逐顶尖FA球员的典型风险
他比Shields年轻 比Scherzer大一岁 所以Scherzer在年龄上会有些优势
Personal 人格特质
Lester’s battle with cancer early on in his career was well-documented, and
in addition to the great comeback story that culminated in him winning the
clinching game of the 2007 World Series, that battle has shaped the work he’
s done in the community. Lester partnered with Charity Wines to release his
own line of red wine, the proceeds of which benefit the Fred Hutchinson
Cancer Research Center. His NVRQT charity sends all of its proceeds to the
Pediatric Cancer Research Foundation, and Lester explained how the charity
came about and what it means to him in a guest column for the Boston Globe in
2013.
他的抗癌历史已经众所皆知 在07年重回球场帮助球队拿下WSC
下略
This past July, Peter Abraham of the Boston Globe wrote about the strides
Lester has made in terms of maturity both on the mound and with the media
after being a bit hot-tempered earlier in his career. (Abraham references
glaring at umpires after questionable calls and the infamous chicken-and-beer
incident as examples.)
Lester is married and has two sons. The Tacoma, Washington native now resides
near Atlanta in the offseason.
Market 市场状况
Lester is one of the arms referred to as the “Big Three” of this offseason,
along with Scherzer and Shields. However, while MLBTR’s Tim Dierkes noted
that a third or more of the teams in the league could have viable interest in
Shields, the younger Lester figures to come with a higher price tag that may
take him out of the picture for a number of clubs.
他是今年FA先发投手三巨头之一 其他两人分别是Scherzer跟Shields
由於价位较高的关系 事实上追Shields的球队会比追他的来得多一些
Lester stated multiple times that he’d like to return to Boston, and last
winter he told reporters that he planned to be with the Red Sox until someone
“ripped the jersey off his back.” However, the Red Sox made an initial
offer of $70MM over four years, at that point, and while the reported
$110-120MM offer they made today might have worked in March, it feels too
light to make them a serious contender right now.
Lester曾经数度表示他希望回到Boston打球
去年冬天他告诉记者 "他希望在红袜待到有人扯下他的球衣"
然而 红袜去年只开给他四年70M的合约 而不是他们昨天开给他的110M到120M
现在看来 这个价钱还不足以让Lester回到红袜效力
The other popular landing spot for Lester is the Cubs, where former Red Sox
GM Theo Epstein is now president of baseball operations. Epstein and GM Jed
Hoyer were members of the Boston front office when Lester emerged as a
front-line starter, and the team is rich on young hitters without much in the
way of high-upside pitching (Jake Arrieta is a notable exception).
另一个Lester的热门去处是小熊 也就是Theo现在工作的地方
他们有一批年轻的好打者 但是缺Arrieta以外的前段先发
Other teams that figure to enter the mix are the typical names we see
assorted with high-end free agents. Though the Yankees maintain that they won
’t pursue Lester, Scherzer or Shields, it’s possible they’ll change their
tune if they’re unable to re-sign Brandon McCarthy and Chase Headley. The
Dodgers have the cash to pull off a deal, though they’re said to be looking
to tone down spending this winter. I still won’t rule them out as a
possibility. The Tigers and Angels have high payrolls but cloudy long-term
outlooks thanks to existing salary on the books. Neither seems a fit barring
trades to create some long-term flexibility.
另外就是几支大市场球队 例如洋基 道奇 老虎 天使等等
The rest of Lester’s market will have to consist of dark horses, and agents
Seth and Sam Levinson of ACES will likely need to pitch to owners of some
unlikely teams that Lester could be a franchise-altering decision. To this
point, the Royals have shown some preliminary interest, and Lester is set to
meet with the Braves on Thursday. The Cardinals have also been linked to
Lester.
其他黑马包括 皇家 勇士 红雀等球队 则需要经纪人直接找上老板沟通
让老板相信Lester会是那夺冠的最後一块拼图
Beyond that, a team like the Astros has the long-term payroll freedom to make
a move, as do the Marlins, who could feel that adding Lester would be a
significant step toward building a perennial contender now that they’ve
extended Giancarlo Stanton. The Nationals have plenty of money and are set to
lose both Jordan Zimmermann and Doug Fister next winter. Trading one and
swapping him out for Lester could is a long shot but not unthinkable. The
Giants haven’t spent at this level on the free agent market since their
ill-fated Barry Zito deal, but they have rotation needs and are flush with
cash following the World Series. The Rangers deserve a mention as a team with
a willingness to spend and a need for starters, but GM Jon Daniels has
indicated they may not be big spenders on the open market. Could a reunion
with his hometown Mariners be in the cards? Seattle’s primary need is
offense, but if they again have trouble luring hitters to Safeco Field, GM
Jack Zduriencik could double down on an existing strength and look to build
an even more imposing rotation.
除此之外 太空人 马林鱼 国民 巨人 游骑兵 水手等球队
某程度上也都会想要Lester在他们的阵中
Expected Contract 预期合约
As is often the case with big name free agents, it’s easy to look at Lester
right now and think that outside of the traditional big spenders, there’s
not much of a market for him if he’s seeking six or seven years at an annual
value north of $20MM. With players of this caliber, the market isn’t always
quick to reveal itself, but it does eventually materialize, and we typically
see the top names get paid.
看看那些有钱花的球队 就不难推测Lester的可能下家有哪些
没有很多球队负担的起每年20M 六到七年的大约
虽然这类球员的市场成形需要一些时间 但最後他们通常都会拿到该拿的$$
Lester has said free agency isn’t all about the money, but I’d be surprised
if his agents hadn’t at least kicked around the goal of trying to break CC
Sabathia‘s $161MM guarantee, which is still the record for a free agent
pitcher. (The Yankees did spend $175MM on Masahiro Tanaka, but $20MM of that
sum went to Tanaka’s former team in Japan.)
Lester曾经说过打球并不完全是为了钱
但如果他的经纪人不试试看能否让他打破CC的161M保障约纪录 将会令人讶异
Were Lester coming off a pair of dominant seasons, as Scherzer is, I think
there would be a better case for that figure. As it is, however, he showed a
significant gap between his two most recent dominant seasons. Also of note is
that Sabathia, like fellow high-priced hurlers Zack Greinke and Cole Hamels,
signed his contract at a significantly younger age than Lester. While we have
to account for some inflation, as those deals are now older (and Hamels’, of
course, was not an open-market deal), Lester may have a hard time getting the
seventh guaranteed season. Looking at the majority of the significant
pitching contracts signed in recent history, guarantees typically stop in the
age-36 season, if not sooner. If that’s the case, Lester would need to
achieve a $27MM annual salary to top Sabathia on a six-year deal, which seems
a touch steep.
如果Lester是连两季有去年这种宰制级的表现 这个目标将会比较容易达成
即便他在去年之前表现有些落差 考虑通膨因素之後
合理的比较对象应该是Hamels(7年153M)跟Greinke(6年159M)那两张约
由於Lester拿到第七年保证约的机率不大 大概没办法超越CC的161M纪录
In the end, I do think Lester can top the marks set by Hamels and Greinke.
Lester was the best performer among free agent pitchers in 2014, so I can’t
completely rule out him getting a seventh year and/or passing Sabathia’s
mark. However, his age and the lack of a consistently dominant track record
has me pegging him for a six-year, $153MM contract.
由於Lester是14年表现最佳的FA先发 我认为他将会拿得比Hamels跟Greinke还多
然而考虑到他的年龄以及并非持续性的维持宰制力 我预料他将会拿到六年153M的合约
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看到昨天球队开给Lester的110M到120M offer之後 很多版友都觉得FO搞砸了
不过我想说的是 事实上在Lester去年赛扬级的表现之前 他连三年的表现都不是ACE级的
去年冬天开给他4年70M 顶多是一个保守的offer 但不至於有到羞辱人的程度
当然如果去年就端出6年120M的合约给他 他很可能会接受
但问题还是回到前面 开给31-36岁的二号先发6年120M的"延长合约"是明智的吗?
个人认为拿他14年的表现来指责FO 这有点事後诸葛
至於季中该不该交易他 这又是另外一个问题了
至少从报导上看来 这并没有影响他重返红袜的意愿
而我们也拿到多一年合约的Cespedes 可以顶上中心打线 或换另一个先发来补轮值洞
个人不觉得这是一个错误的move
不过在Lester去年的强势表现之後 显然现在要找他回来要付出更大的代价
如果如本文预测的六年150M以上 (平均一年25M) 大家觉得值得吗?
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1F:推 tortoise2006: 感觉他签的到6年150M 值不值得就看他退化速度了 11/20 21:58
2F:推 JButton: 6年120M,我想应该已经是我们的极限了吧。不过我想Lester 11/20 22:02
3F:→ JButton: 没办法终身红袜也许也有点影响到他的意愿,虽然去绿帽的 11/20 22:02
4F:→ JButton: 时间很短。 11/20 22:02
※ 编辑: seekforever (111.243.100.53), 11/20/2014 22:08:46
5F:推 eetolo: 在这支球队内部没有接替人选以及往外找同等级又得付出过大 11/20 22:10
6F:推 DanielNava: 说这麽多 签就对了 11/20 22:10
7F:→ eetolo: 代价的时候,6y/120M真的有那麽不智吗? FUCK U 4y/70M 11/20 22:12
8F:→ seekforever: eetolo 如果Lester去年仍然是2号先发的表现 11/20 22:17
9F:→ seekforever: 六年120M今年一样签得下来 只是他去年刚好生涯年而已 11/20 22:17
10F:推 KayRain: 生涯也就一年比较差而已就被打到二号 这样想当然觉得不值 11/20 22:32
11F:→ KayRain: 一个过去这麽有贡献的球队一号开4y/70根本是笑话 11/20 22:34
12F:推 KayRain: 是光芒或绿帽这种没预算留人的球队也就算了 又不是没钱 11/20 22:36
13F:→ seekforever: 他11-13三年xFIP分别是3.62, 3.82, 3.90这样算1号吗? 11/20 22:42
14F:→ seekforever: 他真正ACE级的球季分别是09,10跟去年 11/20 22:42
15F:→ seekforever: 如果没有水晶球 请问看到他从11-13的表现 11/20 22:43
16F:→ seekforever: 有办法预测他14年会投出这样的表现吗? 11/20 22:43
17F:推 lovemost: 根本把30只球队全部列过一遍 11/20 23:01
18F:→ lovemost: Greinke签约时年轻许多,Hamels好像不是FA时签的? 11/20 23:02
19F:→ lovemost: 我不觉得是保守offer,那已经到相当过份的程度 11/20 23:03
20F:推 lovemost: 主要的可能不是在合约价格,而是合约长度,这年头要签一 11/20 23:08
21F:→ lovemost: 个第一次进FA的1号(就算不是Ace)也不是四年可以签到的 11/20 23:09
22F:→ lovemost: 季中交易我觉得策略上没甚麽问题,有问题是情感上的... 11/20 23:10
23F:→ lovemost: 至於最後一句问的值得吗,我想他值这个价码,但是不一定 11/20 23:10
24F:→ lovemost: 对每个球队来说都是,如果他是我们未来几年王朝的拼图当 11/20 23:10
25F:→ lovemost: 然值得,不过看投手超过30退化的例子好多... 11/20 23:11
26F:推 Orcish: 11/20 23:22
27F:推 jackwelch: 基本上如果签回来,在红袜退休的机会可能很大? 11/20 23:49
28F:推 yypan99: 基本上红袜对自产的球员非常抠门、是众所周知的事、然後 11/21 00:07
29F:→ yypan99: 捧大把钞票去签一些打出成绩的FA、又不是人人都像小派一 11/21 00:07
30F:→ yypan99: 样佛心… 11/21 00:07
31F:推 maxspeed150: Lester本来就是elite #2而非ace啊 11/21 00:33
32F:推 tsubasa6405: 我记得他原本只要6y/90M就会留了 11/21 01:22
33F:推 tsubasa6405: 如果没记错 根本不用看他14年成绩就知道不给很抠门 11/21 01:24
34F:推 myde: Pedey真的是太特别的例子了,这态势是要退休背号的阿 11/21 01:46
35F:推 myde: Lester赶紧回来吧,现在能终生红袜的实在少之又少 11/21 01:50
36F:推 kazamishu: 小派99%了吧..2座(↑)+MVP+佛约 11/21 02:25
37F:推 igoati60153: 我印象原本是6y / 105M 11/21 02:30
38F:推 dragon2000: 快签啦!轮值惨翻天 11/21 09:11
39F:推 mp39999: 希望能回得来啦T_T 11/21 09:15
40F:推 KAIS: 即便去年100/5都可考虑,Lester的投球型态有机会打老人球 11/21 09:47
41F:推 coldplay0211: 6 120感觉就是我们的极限了... 11/21 10:43
42F:推 sotight: 但说真的6Y/120M真的差不多啊...走完合约都36了... 11/21 10:50
43F:→ sotight: 投手风险又比野手大很多... 11/21 10:50
44F:推 JacqueJones: 看看Pedro跟Lowe 能提六年约已经是跨出一大步了 11/21 13:02
45F:→ JacqueJones: 这两个人在30岁红袜都不想开五年了 年龄真的是分界线 11/21 13:04
46F:推 coldplay0211: 不过抢人就是这样比凯的 ... 11/21 13:24
47F:推 s6525480: 1年25M 那就绑只真ace回来 不知是否被cc吓到 11/21 15:46
48F:→ s6525480: 老感觉合约年爆发的人 也就只有合约年会爆发 11/21 15:47
49F:推 KayRain: 今年除了他你也只能绑Scherzer 他可不只25M 11/21 16:09
50F:推 Carmelo3: 回来吧 T.T Jon 11/21 17:39
51F:推 s6525480: 若i版友提的6y/105M为真 现在6y/120M也合理 也值得 11/21 17:45
52F:→ s6525480: 那我也看不出为何试试6y/165M追看看薛泽有什麽不对 11/21 17:46
53F:→ s6525480: 我也是欧巴桑心态 再找过八 11/21 17:49
54F:→ s6525480: 两个都再看看 11/21 17:49
55F:推 ich2: 当初开那个70M 就已经是不想签他了啊 现在开这约是什麽意思 11/21 18:25
56F:推 lovemost: 现在开这约就差不多是redsox能开出的极限呀...上下不多 11/21 19:27
57F:推 vion321: 快回来吧~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 11/21 21:17
58F:推 htme: 自己家养出来的,情感上绝对不同 11/21 22:25
59F:推 anfernee0520: 自己养出来的!自己养出来的!自己养出来的!就这样 11/22 00:40
60F:推 s6525480: 他对你有那麽深感情 早就续下去了拉35 36的投手2000万 11/22 02:00
61F:→ s6525480: 想到就毛 11/22 02:01
62F:→ hunterqiji: 现在市场价120M/6y基本签不下Lester 11/22 06:56
63F:推 JacqueJones: 楼上说的我想很多人都知道吧 袜迷也知道 11/22 06:58
64F:→ JacqueJones: 所以球迷才在喊加码阿 11/22 07:00
65F:→ JacqueJones: 下礼拜Lester还要跟两队见面 要有结果大概要等到12 11/22 07:02
66F:→ JacqueJones: 月初了吧 11/22 07:02
67F:推 lovemost: 往好处想....至少到那之前还不会太伤心 11/22 18:26
68F:推 KayRain: 市面上这三个哪个3536不用2000万 这麽毛都不要签好了 11/22 19:12
69F:推 s6525480: 是 大大 都签 三只都签 我毛我错了 11/22 20:34
70F:推 Hans2479: XD 11/22 22:27
71F:推 betadu: XDDDDD 11/22 23:41
72F:推 vion321: 有种签3只阿XDDDDD 11/23 09:44
73F:推 kazamishu: 都签你要出钱吗? 11/23 13:23
74F:推 nicknhit: 不是很了解S65大的想法…165/6给薛泽的话同样也是35、36 11/23 14:28
75F:→ nicknhit: 要给27 11/23 14:28
76F:→ nicknhit: 这样不是更恐怖? 11/23 14:28
77F:推 s6525480: nick大 我的意思是都再看看 11/24 11:08
78F:→ s6525480: 对照当初4年 现在得加到6年 年薪也提高 11/24 11:09
79F:→ s6525480: 如果加码给Lester合理 那同样加码给薛泽为何不合理 11/24 11:11
80F:→ s6525480: 若给薛泽的合约内含逃脱 那依Boras的讲法 11/24 11:13
81F:→ s6525480: 逃脱条款订来就是要用的 那这两三年他健康他自己会逃 11/24 11:14
82F:→ s6525480: 其实还是再看看 当年雷姬拿1800丢那样子 看了很痛苦 11/24 11:17