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标题Re: [讨论]Buchy遭到怀疑违规投球
时间Sat May 11 02:21:32 2013
Pitchers doctoring baseballs, but is it cheating?
http://0rz.tw/MUSld By Marc Normandin on May 9 2013, 8:00a
When Jack Morris and Dirk Hayhurst accused Clay Buchholz of doctoring the
ball against the Toronto, the Blue Jays themselves were oddly quiet about it.
After reading a report from Yahoo!'s Jeff Passan, we might have a better
sense of why it is that the Jays didn't think Buchholz was cheating: if he
was doing anything to the ball, it was with something that is as "prevalent
across baseball as chewing tobacco and sunflower seeds."
虽然Jack Morris和Dirk Hayhurst都跳出来指控Clay Buchholz对球动手脚,但是蓝鸟队
本身却异常的安静。Yahoo!的Jeff Passan指出为何蓝鸟并不视其为作弊行为:这种行为
就像嚼菸草和葵花子一样常见。
Sources told Passan that pitchers use BullFrog spray-on suncreen and mix it
with rosin in order to create a substance they can utilize for better grip,
and that they've been doing it for years. It's not a movement thing -- the
key is grip. And pitchers just don't see how it could be considering cheating:
消息来源告诉Passan投手们会用BullFrog牌喷雾式防晒油来混合止滑粉,而该混合物能让
头手握球时更好握─这已经行之有年了。这跟球的尾劲无关,重点在於握球。投手们并不
视其为作弊行为。
"I just don't get the difference between BullFrog and hitters using pine
tar," the NL pitcher said. "No difference whatsoever. Pitcher needs better
grip so he knows somewhat where it's going and doesn't hit the batter in the
head.
某国联投手表示:「我看不出来投手使用BullFrog和打者使用松焦油的差别在哪里。完全
没差别─投手要确定自己得球会往哪里去,而不是直接往打者的头飞去。」
Hitters want a better grip on their piece of game equipment, and pitchers
just seem to want the same. According to Peter Gammons, there are hitters who
don't even have an issue with pitchers loading up on sunscreen and rosin:
打者想在握自己的器具时能握的更好,投手也是。据Peter Gammons表示:有一些打者完
全不在意投手去弄防晒油和止滑粉:
Explained that Jeff Passan's Bullfrog resin story was not about "cheating," 3
hitters agreed, "better pitchers have grips than "bean us."
有三位打者认同Jeff Passan的说法,「投手抓好球总比打中我们好。」
So, pitchers don't deem it unfair, as it doesn't create movement like a
scuffed baseball would. To back that up, remember, Clay Buchholz's pitches
actually have less movement on them this year according to PITCHf/x, but his
command seems to have improved. Then there are hitters, and while the three
Gammons spoke to aren't a full sample of the hundreds in baseball, it's also
probably safe to think that hitters wouldn't make a stink about it. After
all, their own pitchers are utilizing the same methods, meaning it's just a
part of the game at this point -- it's not exactly a secret they are just now
learning because Hayhurst and Morris decided to make a stink.
所以投手们不认为那不公平,因为那不像磨损的棒球能制造球的轨迹变化。辅助证据就是
PITCHf/x─Buchholz在今年球的变化幅度甚至还比较小,但同时他的控球有进步。同时也
有打者─虽然三位不足以代表全体球员─但我们或许可以因此得出打者们并不会对这件事
多做抱怨的结论。毕竟自家的投手也这麽做─这已经是比赛的一部份,而不是秘密了。只
是Hayhurst和Morris决定拿这件事出来开炮。
Honestly, this Passan story makes Hayhurst and Morris look worse for bringing
up a supposed cheating scandal with no proof to begin with, especially since
Hayhurst's follow-up article essentially said, "cheating is okay and it's
also okay if Buchholz uses something, he should just be more discreet about
it!" and Morris was committed to calling Buchholz's pitches spitters, as well
as something about the number of rodeos he's been to. But, rather than get
into that whole tired thing, where Red Sox fans will defend their side and
Blue Jays fans will defend their own, how about we all just quit on this one
and agree that, since hitters and pitchers seem to think this is a non-story,
that it's a non-story?
老实讲,Passan的文章让拿不出证据就指控他人作弊的Hayhurst和Morris更难堪─尤其是
Hayhurst在不久後追加的文章中酸说「作弊是OK的,Buchholz用什麽东西也OK,只是他应
该藏好一点」之类的话。Morris也称Buchholz的球为「口水球」,还在那里扯rodeo的次
数( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rodeo 是什麽意思自己看XD )
。但是在红袜迷蓝鸟迷会各自拥护自家球队的情况下,这不过只是一场无聊的烂仗而已。
既然打者和投手不认为这有什麽,这就不代表着这没什麽?
The real story is why Major League Baseball doesn't have an approved and
readily available substance for grip like they do for hitters with their
bats. Pitchers are complaining about the balls this season, saying they're
harder to grip, increasing the need for something like the BullFrog and rosin
concoction. It's hard to believe the league when they say, "There have been
no changes to our procedures for the preparation of baseballs" when you've
lived through such claims about the production of baseballs during the
late-90s -- that time to the benefit of hitters -- despite research that says
exactly the opposite occurred. If Passan's claims about widespread BullFrog
use are true, it doesn't sound as if an MLB-approved substance would change
much in the game besides the need for discretion.
我们真正需要探讨的议题是大联盟为何不开放帮助握球的物质,就像开放松焦油那样。有
些投手抱怨这季的球更难抓,所以才会增加投手使用BullFrog加止滑粉的需求。很难相信
联盟所谓的:「我们一直以来都没有改变棒球的制程。」这种话─尤其是当你经历过90年
後期那段听说棒球制程对打者有利的时期(虽然数据结果似乎不是这麽说)。如果Passan所
谓的「BullFrog是被广泛使用的东西」是真实的报导,那麽我想:联盟开放合格的物质似
乎也不会对比赛造成太大的影响。
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文章中引用的原报导是
http://0rz.tw/5bY3i By Jeff Passan
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http://ppt.cc/D3RL
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※ 编辑: XBogaerts 来自: 122.117.20.246 (05/11 02:26)
1F:推 redsoxnation:推!! 05/11 06:15
2F:推 TanoYuuka:rodeo解释超白烂 老外真的会这样喔XD 05/11 09:51
3F:推 MazdaRx7:一开始就觉得那两位脑袋浸水了 05/11 09:51
4F:推 gahooi:推 05/11 12:53
5F:推 Jaicabai:推 感谢翻译!! 05/11 19:12
6F:推 mp39999:感谢翻译~ 05/12 00:31