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出处:http://atbat.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/02/1096842.aspx I had a brief up close look at Manny Ramirez while covering the Red Sox in last year’s playoffs. My having been a National League broadcaster throughout Ramirez’s career, the views I had on him previously were few. 我在去年曾有短暂的机会在季後赛观察米粉头。因为我过去都在国联担任播报员 ,所以事实上我对於米粉头的了解其实有限。 What did I take away from seeing him in the postseason? Well, he’s smaller than I thought and fitter than the baggy uniforms he wears make him appear on television. Asking around I learned that he earns admiration from teammates for his work ethic, often going to Fenway Park in the morning of game days for workouts. 当我在季後赛时候远远看到米否头时候有哪些想法呢?Mmmnn...他比我想像中 还要小支而且总是穿着大一号的球衣使得他在电视上看起来很像是小朋友穿着 老爸的衣服。当我问了周遭所有人有关他的事情时,我听到了他对於工作的认 真态度使他赢得了所有对有的敬重,在芬威比赛时,他总是一大早就到球场练 习。 I also saw his ability to match the moment. Last year he had a mediocre regular season but October uncovered a hero in Ramirez. He launched a Francisco Rodriguez heater over the Green Monster to win Game 2 of the ALDS and never stopped during Boston’s march to a second World Series triumph in four years. 我也见到了他那种融入环境气氛的能力。去年他正规赛季的成绩不甚理想。 但是到了十月分他就便身成为钢铁人了。他在ALDS夯了K-Rod一只飞过绿色 怪物的全垒打帮助球队赢得第二场而且在波士顿冲冲冲的时候一点都没有停下 脚步,最终止花了四年时间就赢得了axdxm3x3所说要再花上八十几年才能赢得 的第二作冠军。 So what I saw matched what I had heard: the San Francisco Giants investigated trading for Ramirez before the 2007 season. Looking for a bat to replace Barry Bonds after failing to sign Alfonso Soriano or Carlos Lee, Giants management considered Ramirez. Their investigation found two things: Manny was not the questionable clubhouse presence often believed and that he was one of the purest right-handed hitters to play in years. 所以罗,我所看到的其实和我听到的相一致:去年季前,旧金山老人队本有打算把 米粉头给交易过去。在争取抱歉阿诺和李德瑞失败之後,他们打算用米粉头的大家 伙来填补棒子爷不在以後的空缺。他们的算盘显示出两件事情:米粉头并不是大家 印象中那中会伤害休息室气氛的人,以及他是这几年以来最为优秀的右打者之一。 And there’s the key point. Of all the numbers that wash over us after Manny’ s 500th home run, one stands out above all: his .312 career batting average, fourth highest among the 24 players who have 500 or more home runs. 好拉,G点来了,在米粉头打出第五百支全垒打以後,有些数据吓到我们惹。他生涯 打击率0.312,是所有24位打出五百支全垒打或者打出更多的打者中第四高的。 Ramirez is not just a slugger, he is a great hitter. He needed the eighth fewest at-bats (7,263) to reach the 500 home run milestone. And he has 24 postseason home runs in 353 at-bats -- a superb ratio given the caliber of pitching generally faced in October. 米粉头部只是一位长打者,他还是一位打击技巧优秀的击球者。他到达500全垒打里 程碑所需要的打击数(7263)是第八少的。而且他在季後赛的353个打数就敲出了24支 全垒打,这个夭兽的比例使的所有投手在十月份遇到他都必须小心翼翼。 So where does Ramirez stand in the hierarchy of the game’s hitters? Hitting 500 home runs has been devalued. That’s not the fault of Ramirez but it is something with which he must live. We don’t know yet the degree to which Hall-of-Fame voters truly value home runs in the BALCO era given Mark McGwire ’s paltry Hall-of-Fame vote totals. 那麽,米粉头在所有棒球打者中所拥有的地位为何呢?打出五百支全垒打可能没啥 用处。这也不是他的错拉但这是他所处的年代。就名人堂的Voter而言,生处BALCO 年代对McGwire生涯打出的全垒打以及最终那难堪票数造成影响的比例有多少。 There some other things to reflect upon. Ramirez hit 437 home runs as an outfielder. He has not used the DH, yet, to extend or save his career. He has eight straight years in which he has finished in the American League’s top 10 MVP vote getters -- a measure of the respect he gained in his era. And at only 36, he is looking strongly at enough years left in his playing career to surpass 600 career home runs, enhancing his legacy. 还有些东西是我们要稍稍注意的。米粉头以外野手身份打出了437支全垒打。 目前来说他还不需要利用DH身份来延长或保护他的球员生涯。他连续八年在 美联MVP票选最终结果都在前十名,这也表示了他在他所处的年代赢得了该 有的尊重。而且他才36岁,他的家伙就像吃了斑龙丸一样还有足够的力量去 推个几年来达到生涯600 HR,将他的传说更加延伸。 Baseball-reference.com is a favorite tool for studying playing careers and their comparative values. At the bottom of each player’s stats page, the website names 10 players most comparable at the current moment. Again, this is objective, strictly based on numbers. So imagine my surprise when the player listed as most comparable to Ramirez at this stage of his career is Larry Walker. Baseball-reference.com是大家用来研究一个球员生涯纪录和其最相符合的价值。 在每一个打者的统计表格页面的最底下网页列出了十个和其最为类似的打者。必须 说明的是这是客观且依照每位打者生涯数据所举出来的名单。但让我惊讶的是和米 粉头最为相似的打者竟然是Larry Walker。 My first reaction is that Ramirez is a Hall of Famer but Walker is not. There are some differences in their numbers, the 500-home-run milestone foremost among them, and there is the Denver factor (unlike with the BALCO issue, the writers who take part in the Hall-of-Fame voting have yet to render a verdict on the impact of stars playing their home games in the Mile High City.) 我第一个反应是米粉头是一位Hofer但是Walker并不是。他们两个彼此之间的数据有 些差异,最重要的就是一位有500HR另一位没有,此外还有丹佛因素(不像是BALCO 议题,一位曾是名人堂票选成员的作家日前指出,对於主场在高海拔地区的明星球员 能否进入名人堂有激烈的讨论)。 The next most comparable player to Ramirez listed is Jim Thome – Ramirez’s peer from his Cleveland playing days. While Thome has 500-plus home runs he does not register to me as a no-brainer for the Hall of Fame. 第二个和米粉头最为相似的打者是金汤米,米粉头之前在印地安人的队友之一。 虽然金汤米干了500+发HR,可是对我而言他仍没法LOGIN棒棒堂。 So the question of Ramirez’s legacy may be more debatable than I initially thought. Of course, Ramirez can end the debate with three or four more solid seasons which will push him past 600 homers and well past 2,500 hits. Now I wonder if he is trying to separate himself from Jim Rice, another Red Sox right-handed power hitter who was devastating in his era, but who didn’t play long enough to earn Hall-of-Fame status. I think Ramirez is a stronger Hall-of-Fame candidate than Rice, but does Ramirez need to pad his numbers to make sure of his place in the Hall of Fame? 可是目前米粉头传说所要遇到的问题可能比我事先所想的还要多。当然,米否头还 能够在猛三到四个球季把他的生涯记录推到600发以上且生涯安打数推到2500支。 现在我期望的是他要将他自己和Jim Rice(另一位曾经在肥袜强力右打者,在他 所处的年代有着极大的破坏力,但因为生涯不够长所以无法成为Hofer)分开来,我个 人是认为他比Rice有着较大机会成为Hofer候选人,但是他是否需要更多的数据来为他 将来在棒棒堂中的位置铺路? --
1F:推 mayday896614:不像某队连季後赛都没得打 笑死人了 丢脸死了10/08 09:07
2F:→ mayday896614:诅咒你红袜队明年一样进不了季後赛!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!10/08 09:17
3F:→ mayday896614:袜迷的推文当做没看见 诅咒红袜10年进不了季後赛!!!!10/08 11:18
4F:→ mayday896614:你刚刚就针对我了 跟他们版主一样没品 没救了10/08 11:19
5F:推 mayday896614:那你批评我干嘛?! 批评我红袜还不是进不了季後赛?!10/08 11:23
6F:→ mayday896614:我们是在讨论 不行吗?! 你不爽什麽 出来单挑啦10/08 09:54
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7F:→ majohn:本文请勿转至MLB版 06/03 16:59
8F:推 rockyue:axdxm3x3真是袜子福星 06/03 17:00
9F:推 aloha888:推axdxm3x3 06/03 17:03
10F:推 Miguel:============马约翰魂!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!============== 06/03 17:04
11F:→ majohn:其实我翻这篇时候断线两次 干 06/03 17:05
12F:推 Jimmy74:推肥油人 现在油这麽贵他身价满高的呢 06/03 17:07
13F:推 albertjet:Thome会上的机会比不会上大,career OPS+ 149 & clean 06/03 17:07
14F:推 iamokk:打击率是不是第四高的?还是我看错了@@ 06/03 17:09
15F:→ majohn:我也是认为金汤米会上 科科 06/03 17:10
16F:→ majohn:可能是因为他姓金 而且是韩国人八 06/03 17:10
17F:推 bj26bj:国姓魂!!! 06/03 17:12
18F:→ majohn:我记得之前有人波过500HR俱乐部成员的一些数据 06/03 17:12
19F:→ majohn:但我忘记在哪了 06/03 17:12
20F:推 mrkey:作者是谁呀? 很好奇 06/03 17:22
21F:推 Ivanliao:打击率应该是第四高,有趣的是前三位B.Ruth, J.Foxx 06/03 17:22
22F:→ Ivanliao:T.Williams生涯都待过红袜队 06/03 17:23
23F:→ majohn:对,第四高,我演残了 ㄎㄎㄎ 06/03 17:34
※ 编辑: majohn 来自: 140.137.37.198 (06/03 17:34)
24F:→ majohn:网页右边有个人头那是作者 06/03 17:38
25F:→ majohn:左边,说错了 ㄎㄎㄎ 06/03 17:38
26F:推 Carmelo3:axdxm3x3 多一个x啦 06/03 17:41
27F:推 Opeth:请尊重吉祥物 06/03 17:41
28F:→ majohn:科科 我故意的阿 不然等等被ㄔㄞㄆ 06/03 17:42
29F:推 Carmelo3:马囧魂 06/03 17:44
30F:推 AJPierzynski:majohn...你每次都让我想到魔人啾啾... 06/03 18:31
31F:推 therock0809:推axdxm3x3 大家也可以去双城版2047笑一笑~~~ 06/03 23:54
32F:推 pedroholio:第四段是说Carlos Lee 不是Derek Lee 06/04 00:36
33F:推 MarioPuzo:推axdxm3x3所说要再花上八十几年 06/18 12:09







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