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B.J. Upton-Justin Upton: The Upton brothers are the talk of the industry
these days -- in part because of their prodigious skills, but also in part
because they haven't joined the sign-on-the-dotted-line parade.
Upton兄弟最近几天被大家广泛的给讨论,一方面来说是他们有惊人的技巧,但另一方面
也是因为他们还没有加入”签约线”的乐园。
In Tampa Bay, B.J. is the most prominent young player the Rays haven't been
able to lock up, much as they'd like to. But Upton's agent, Larry Reynolds,
told Rumblings that his client is in no rush to sign.
在TB,B.J.是最耀眼的球员但Rays还没有准备签下长约把绑住,即便是他们很想。但
Upton的经纪人,reynold说了他的客户还没有打算急着要签下一笔长约。
"Everyone has to look at their situations differently," Reynolds said. "And
the most important factors, in my mind, are how well educated is the player
[about the market] and how confident is the player in his own abilities. At
this point, I just think it's in B.J.'s best interest to take it year by
year, and then listen again next year."
“任何人的情况都不太相同”Reynold说道。”对我而言最重要的在於告知球员[在市场上
]的优势以及对自己的能力有信心。从这个观点来看,我认为B.J.最棒的选择就是每年都
签一次,然後明年在重新听一次我的分析”。
In the case of Upton's little brother, however, there has been next to no
conversation with the Diamondbacks about a massive contract -- mostly because
we're talking about a player who has barely even 100 days of big league
service time.
来看看小Upton,目前他还没有和小蛇有任何进一步的动作,注意:最主要的原因在於我
们现在说的这位仁兄他在大联盟时间还不到100天。
"I think they understand that we're going to play this year out," Reynolds
said, "because that's what Justin wants to do -- go out and help the team win
and worry about that [contract] stuff next year."
So in a way, we're talking about two distinct situations with their own
separate contexts. But not entirely. Clearly, B.J.'s reluctance to jump at
the same kind of below-market deal as many of his Rays teammates has
implications for Justin, too.
“我想他们应该知道我们会努力把这一季打完”Reynolds说”因为这是Justin想要的,尽
一切最大能力帮助球队赢球然後来年在取为合约大小来伤脑筋”。所以从这方面来看,我
们讨论的是两个截然不同的情况。但不是绝对的,简单来说,BJ对於和他的队友们一样签
下一笔低於市场行情的合约是不太情愿的,而这也会影响到Justin的决定。
Like Tampa Bay, Arizona has a slew of core players approaching their
arbitration years -- and will need to lock up quite a few as economically as
possible. If both Upton brothers feel secure enough to go year to year now,
it's a good guess they're not going to be either team's idea of a bargain.
How that affects their long-term futures will make for one -- uh, make that
two -- fascinating sagas.
和TB一样,Arizona将要面对到许多中心球员的仲裁年,因此他们将需要尽可能且迅速的
用最经济绑住这些人。如果Upton兄弟感到一年一签是不赖的,我们可以容意预见到他们
两个将不会是球团未来主要谈论的对象。他们对未来很长一段时间的影响或许将可以写成
一部,喔..是两部,即为迷人的传说。
Russell Martin: You might be surprised that many people now casually refer to
Martin as the best catcher in baseball. But though the other young contenders
for that honor -- Victor Martinez, Joe Mauer, Brian McCann -- all signed
multiyear deals early, Martin has had other ideas.
你或许会对现在有很多人将Martin视为当球中最好的捕手感到有点惊讶。但想想其他享有
这个荣耀的年轻竞争者们-Victor Martinez, Joe Mauer, Brian McCann-他们都已经签下
了长约,Martin则有着其他打算。
Dodgers GM Ned Colletti told Rumblings the club approached Martin's agent,
Bob Garber, last fall and again this spring about a contract that most likely
would have stretched through Martin's first year or two of free agency (i.e.,
through 2013 or '14). They were told, "No thanks."
So there are no immediate plans to resume that conversation. And there are no
indications the Dodgers have approached any of their other young players --
such as James Loney, Jonathan Broxton or Chad Billingsley -- about any
similar deals. But presumably, that's only because the club wants to let
those players establish themselves. Colletti says his team has no fear of
such a contract, as long as it goes to the right guy.
Dodgers的经理Colletti告诉我们在去年秋天和今年春天他们已经和Martin的经记人
Garber接触过了,并谈论到合约的问题。延长合约可能会包括了Martin成为FA後的第一年
以及第二年(换言之,延长和约会到2013或14),但他们说”不了,多谢”。所以现在并没
有立即的计画要来重启会谈。而且现在也没有迹象显示出Dodgers有和任何其他年轻球员
-James Loney, Jonathan Broxton或Chad Billingsley-来接处并谈论类似合约。所以可
能Dodgers有打算要让这些年轻人来证明自己能耐八。Colletti说他们从来不会怕给任何
一个年轻球员这样的合约,如果他真的有这价值的话拉。
"If you know the person, and you know his priorities, and you know what kind
of player he is now, and you know what kind of player you project him to be,
and all those things are positive, then it's a great idea," the GM said. "But
if you have any doubt about any of that, then you're really rolling the
dice."
“如果你了解这人,了解他的优点,了解他现在是怎样的球员,了解你计画他将会成为怎
样的球员,而这些结果都是正面的,那这(合约)就是不赖的”,GM说道”但如果你对上面
这些有任何怀疑,那你最好赌赌你的手气了”。
Zack Greinke: Royals closer Joakim Soria just cashed in on a three-year,
$8.75 million extension last week that could grow to six years, $32.75
million. So the logical question is: Where's Greinke's extension? And where,
for that matter, is Alex Gordon's extension?
Well, GM Dayton Moore made it clear to Rumblings he would like to "sign as
many good players long-term as we can." But he also said he's evaluating
every one of his players "case by case." And though he wouldn't discuss
specifics, Greinke isn't exactly his most clear-cut case.
Royals的终结者Soria上星期刚得到了一笔三年32.75m的延长合约。所以个问题很自然就
出现:Greinke的延长合约勒?那对Gordon的延长合约有啥影响呢?恩…GM Dayton Moore
很清楚的告诉我们我很乐意去签下”尽我们所能去给好球员签下一笔长约”。但是他同时
也说了他会对每个人的评价都是”单一个案”。此外他在讨论中并清楚谈论Greinke,或
许Greinke在他眼中并非一个那麽清楚的case。
On one hand, we're talking about a 24-year-old future ace with a 2.18 ERA. On
the other, we're talking about a complicated young man who once had to walk
away from baseball with a social anxiety disorder. So what's the right time
to lock up a player with Greinke's history? Now? Six months from now? Or
never? That's obviously a decision the Royals are still in the process of
making.
一方面来说我们说的是一位24岁防御率2.18的王牌,另外一方面我们说的是一个曾经因为
社交恐惧症而逃离球场的复杂的年轻人。所以在什麽时候把Greinke绑住才是正确的时机
呢?现在?六个月之後?或者不绑?在Royals做出决定之前他们还有许多东西必须要考虑
的。
Prince Fielder: Fielder's reaction, after Braun got his income levels squared
away through 2015, was succinct: "I'm just happy for Braunie." The Brewers
undoubtedly would have preferred something more like: "Where do I sign?"
小王子在Braun得到了一笔延长到2015年的合约之後,他简洁的说:我为他感到开心。酿
酒人毫无疑问的宁可去选择:我该在哪里和你签约?
But they're dealing with a different animal in Fielder, who has Scott Boras
for an agent and more grandiose salary plans in his head.
"The only reason to do these deals," said one GM, "is if you're getting a
discount. If you're not going to get a discount -- and a pretty good discount
-- there's no reason to do it, because then the team is taking on all the
risk."
但他们在和小王子谈论时候必须要面对不同的怪物,因为小王子的经纪人可是Boras而且
在他脑袋中总是有一些夸张数字的合约。”唯一一个可以签下这合约的理由”。一位GM说
道”就是你拿到了折扣。如果你没有拿到折扣,而且是很大的折扣,没有理有去干这种事
,因为你这样做等於是把整个球队放在极度危险状况中。”
But that word, "discount," isn't in Boras' dictionary. So when one prominent
agent was asked to assess the chances of Fielder's doing a Braunesque deal,
he replied: "None. Zero. No chance."
但是”折扣”这两个字没有出现在Boras的字典里面。所以当一位资深的GM被问到小王子
有没有可能签下和Braun相类似的合约时,他回答”没有,一点机会都没有”。
Felix Hernandez: The Mariners already signed Hernandez to one near-record
contract -- namely, the $710,000 bonus it took to corral him as a Venezuelan
teenager. They've also been aggressive in signing their other young
core-group players (à la Yuniesky Betancourt and Jose Lopez).
水兵在Hernandez还是个小朋友时,用了破纪录的天价签约金-0.71m-把他从委内瑞拉给绑
下来。他们对於其他能够成为核心的球员也采取着积极的态度和他们签约。(Yuniesky
Betancourt and Jose Lopez)。
So logically, King Felix ought to be about as high on their contract priority
list as anybody on the roster, now that he's approaching his arbitration
years. But there's every indication that the Mariners have made a run at
signing him -- and gotten nowhere.
所以照逻辑上来考量,Felix应当是他们签约考量名单中最优先的人,比任何其他球员还
要优先,现在他已经靠近了他的仲裁年。但目前没任何的消息指出水兵正在努力要签下他
-此时此刻签下。
GM Bill Bavasi stuck to team policy and wouldn't tell Rumblings the details
of his negotiations with any player. But Bavasi did say this:
"Felix has tremendous confidence in his abilities and values his freedom of
going year to year more than the security of a long-term deal at this point.
And you can suffice it to say that with any young player we think highly of,
we broach that subject early on. … But long-term deals aren't for
everybody."
GM Bavasi对於任何有关球队政策以及任何他和球员谈判的细节都只字不提。但Bavasi说
了这些:Felix对於他自己的能力以及价值有极度的自信,因此目前来说他对於一年一签
比签下长约感到自在。而你可以这麽说,对於任何我们认为天资极高的球员,我们都会提
早开始开始规划。…但不是所有人都适用长约。
Because Hernandez can't become a free agent until the winter of 2011-12, his
reluctance to sign isn't a big deal -- yet. But it's also an indication that
he's a guy who sees a very large payday in his future, and not necessarily in
the great Northwest.
因为Hernandez直到2011-2012年冬天前都不会成为FA,他目前不情愿的签下了一张不算大
的合约。但可以预见未来他会有张极大的合约,而且不一定会继续待在大西北区。
Jeff Francoeur: In the spring of 2007, the Braves approached both Francoeur
and his buddy Brian McCann with similar long-term offers, contracts that
could have tied them up through 2013. McCann said yes. Francoeur said no.
在2007年春天,勇士同时对Francoeur和他的队友McCann提出相同的长约,长约可以同时
将他们绑到2013。McCann同亿了,但是Francoeur说不。
So this spring, the Braves tried again, offering a contract believed to be in
the same range as Curtis Granderson's new deal (five years, $32.25 million).
Francoeur said no again. Eventually, the two sides couldn't agree on even a
one-year contract. So the Braves wound up renewing him (at $460,000).
在今年春天,勇士又尝试了一次。我们相信勇士提出了一份和Curtis Granderson新签下
合约(五年32.25m)相类似的约。Francoeur再一次说不。最後,双方同意了一份一年的
合约。因此目前勇士带着紧张的心情和他签下新约。(0.46m)
That makes two years in a row that Francoeur has gone the renewal route. And
that sets the stage for a much more intriguing negotiation next year, when
Francoeur finally becomes eligible for arbitration. The Braves will be out to
keep him from turning into their version of Ryan Howard. And though Francoeur
will continue to love being a Brave, and the Braves will continue to work at
keeping him around, there's a word for where this is headed: Expensive.
依照此路线来看目前Francoeur还有两年的时间要持续更新他的合约。在最终Francoeur取
的仲裁资格时,我们将可以预见明年将会有一场复杂的谈判出现。勇士将会极力的避免他
成为勇士队板本的Ryan Howard。但是即使是Francoeur很喜欢呆在勇士队,而且勇士也极
力想办法要把他给挽留住,但只有一个字能形容,”贵”。
Jonathan Papelbon-Kevin Youkilis-Dustin Pedroia: We could add other names to
this list of up-and-coming Red Sox luminaries. The name Jon Lester comes to
mind, for instance.
我们可以在未来红袜发光发热的名单中在增添上一些名字,举例来说,Lester也是需要注
意的对象。
But Lester, Clay Buchholz and Jacoby Ellsbury are still works in progress.
Papelbon, Youkilis and Pedroia, on the other hand, all have established where
they fit in the Red Sox's intricately woven tapestry.
In fact, the club already has made a run at locking up Papelbon and Youkilis
-- just without any success. And Pedroia conceivably could have joined that
fun, too, if he hadn't been in the midst of changing agents this spring.
除了Lester,Clay Buchholz和Jacoby Ellsbury也郑朝向这目标前进。另一方面,
Papelbon, Youkilis和Pedroia在红袜这一个复杂编织的毯子中都已经是完成体且找到了
适合自己的位置。事实上,红袜已经着手要把Papelbon 和Youkilis都给锁住,只不过都
失败了。而可以预期的是Pedroia也会加入这场游戏中,如果他在今年春天当中没有更换
的经纪人的话拉。
The expectation is that the team will try it again with all three next year.
But consider the big picture: The Red Sox have had great success lately with
persuading players to take discounted offers out of sheer love for playing
for their team. They're also a club with lots of money, so they can afford to
take the chance on going year to year. And they're big believers in roster
flexibility, which is the ultimate benefit of going year to year.
可以预期的是球队在明年还会对三个人再重试一次。但可以想像个一个很大的蓝图:红袜
在之前成功的说服了许多球员签下折扣的合约全然只是因为那些球於喜欢在红袜中打球。
红袜也是一只花的起钱的球队,所以他们对於每年的机会还有能力负担。而且他们是一只
深信球员名单灵活度的球队,这也带给他们未来几年最大的优势。
So it's not a sure bet that they'll get any of these guys tied up, unless
it's on their terms. That'll make this a team that all other large-market
franchises will eye verrry closely as the great Sign-'Em-Up-Young fad of 2008
continues to explode.
所以目前为止我们无法确定红袜有要把谁给绑住,除非这本来就是他们的菜。在2008年疯
狂抢签年轻球员的风潮中,这只球队将会是其他大市场球队注目的焦点
More to watch: Chien-Ming Wang, Ryan Zimmerman, Bobby Jenks, Nick Markakis,
Cliff Lee, Carlos Marmol, Tim Lincecum, Hunter Pence, Garrett Atkins, Casey
Kotchman.
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