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What wacky lineups will Joe Maddon produce? 西瓜将会怎样排出令人惊奇的"创意"打线勒??? As of this writing, the projected 25-man roster features Ben Zobrist, B.J. Upton, Sean Rodriguez and Willy Aybar. With the exception of Aybar, the quartet shares a common positional genesis at shortstop, so it should be no surprise that versatility is in high supply. 在预计25人名单中值得注意的有Ben Zobrist、B.J. Upton、Sean Rodriguez和 Willy Aybar。除了Aybar之外,其他人都可以守游击这个位置,有这麽多人可以灵活调度 所以应该没有突发状况造成调度困扰。 Zobrist has 130 major league appearances at shortstop, 99 at second base and 89 in the outfield (he actually appeared at every position except catcher and pitcher last season). Zobrist在MLB守备130场的游击、99场2垒和89场外野(在上个球季能在投手和捕手以外的 位置确实的做好守备工作。) Upton has more than 350 starts in center field, but also 63 appearances at third base, 48 at second and 16 at short. When Jason Bartlett suffered an injury last season, Upton actually took grounders at shortstop just in case. Aybar is being restricted to third and first base this season, but has taken reps at short and second for the Rays and Rodriguez is essentially the new Zobrist. Upton在中外野守备超过350场先发,不仅如此,3垒也有63场、48场2垒和16场游击 守备经验,假使Jason Bartlett再像上一季受伤,Upton也可以客串守游击守备。Aybar 本季原则上只会守备1垒和3垒,但他也能守备2游,Rodriguez在守备上就像是第2个 Zobrist一样(注1)。 注1:作者这里应该是想表达他们同为工具人 Having four players with the capability to play, well, everywhere provides a ridiculous amount of flexibility for Maddon. Factor in that the Rays have a number of platoon-heavy hitters and things are going to be in constant flux. If Hank Blalock somehow makes the roster, there’s a chance the Rays could produce this lineup versus righties (career wOBA versus righties): 拥有这4个有能力的球员可以同时上场,好吧,这就像拥有一手强到夸张的好牌给西瓜 调度使用,原因就在於Rays有一群好打者且他们的能力都渐趋稳定。如果把Blalock放入 球员名单,闪光打线在面对右投时能有更多机会(以生涯面对右投的wOBA): C Dioner Navarro (.334) 1B Carlos Pena (.382) 2B Ben Zobrist (.335) 3B Evan Longoria (.377) SS Jason Bartlett (.310) LF Carl Crawford (.345) CF B.J. Upton (.332) RF Matt Joyce (.357; 小样本数据) DH Hank Blalock (.362) 然後以另一份打线名单去面对左投(以生涯面对左投的wOBA): C Kelly Shoppach (.419) 1B Carlos Pena (.333) 2B Sean Rodriguez (.289; 小样本数据) 3B Evan Longoria (.364) SS Jason Bartlett (.372) LF Carl Crawford (.307) CF B.J. Upton (.343) RF Ben Zobrist (.366) DH Pat Burrell (.389) That's four changes and without taking Aybar and his switch-hitting ability or Gabe Kapler and his .363 wOBA versus lefties into account. That's also assuming the southpaw hitting Reid Brignac isn't around and, 我们看到这里有4个位置做了更动,而没有把Aybar(两打)或是Kapler(左杀,生涯 面对左投有.363 wOBA)考虑进去,同样地也没考虑到Reid Brignac(左打)。 well, you get the point. This club is deeper and more complex than a painting by M.C. Escher. Maddon is no stranger to mixing and matching either. During his four years with the Rays, he's used 125, 100, 100 and 93 different lineups. 好的,这样你抓到重点了吗?这个球队甚至比M.C.Escher的规划还有深度而且更复杂 。西瓜并不陌生如何去混合和调配它,他在Rays的4年间,总共使用了125、100、100和 93种不同的打线。 How many innings for Rafael Soriano? 要给Rafael Soriano设定多少的救援局数呢? Team owner Stuart Sternberg and the acquisition of Soriano have produced some quality quotations. Before the offseason began, Sternberg said something to the ilk of, "There aren't any $7 million closers coming here." To which Andrew Friedman, who runs the baseball operations, said, "Hey, about that." 球队老板Stuart Sternberg在获得能稳定守住比赛胜利的Soriano之前发生过一段 小插曲,这是在去年球季结束之後的事情,老板对Friedman嘴炮说出"球队是不会出现 超过年薪$7M的终结者",不过是谁真正在维持球团的事务运作呢? "嘿!!! 就像现在 发生的事情那样",这就是我想要说的。 Now the Rays did not pursue or acquire Soriano because he's a closer, but more because he's a good pitcher. Nevertheless, Sternberg said the Rays intend to have a little fun with their shiny bullpen toy, which raises the question: How thin is the line between an efficient workload and abusing the arm? Fingernail thin when that arm is under contract for only one season and that one season is the most important in team history. Rays不只是因为Soriano是一个专职的终结者而需要他(注2),但更多理由是因为他是 位优质投手。无论如何,老板说他打算为牛棚带来一些令他们高兴且能稳定牛棚信心的 事情,这边点出了一个问题:如何能为薄弱的牛棚创造出一个有效率的使用量又不会滥用 呢?让Soriano在光芒仅有的一个球季,为球队带来重要的贡献。 注2:Rays从08年季末Troy Percival受伤到09年球季结束,就没有一个专职终结者负责 在比赛後段替球队守住胜利。这段期间,西瓜将牛棚组成救援委员会,每场比赛 几乎都有不同的中继投手负责关门。 The 30-year-old Soriano posted a career high in appearances and innings last season, which suggests that the Braves' Frank Wren and Bobby Cox intended to stretch the boundaries as well. Throughout Soriano's career, he's been death to righties (.520 OPS against) and an irritating annoyance to lefties (.707 OPS), which means calling upon him to face batters of either hand is no issue. 现年30岁的Soriano在上个球季创造出了他的生涯年,让勇士的GM Frank Wren 和 总教头Bobby Cox也想看看他的极限在哪边(注3),综观他的生涯,对右打者相当有压制力 但对上左打者则较为不利(面对右打OPS.520 左打OPS.707),依照这样的成绩来看,球队 可以让他同时面对左右打者应该不会有太大问题的。 注3:Soriano的伤病史还算蛮丰富的,但是最严重的一次是在08年,那年因为受伤的缘故 ,几乎整季报销。 这边要感谢虎喵大提供勇士的运作情形,让我能了解作者想要表达的意思。 Soriano figures to rack up something like 30-35 saves in 2010. Of those with at least 30 saves in 2009, only Jonathan Broxton and Fernando Rodney pitched at least twice as many innings as they had saves. Soriano在2010球季应该可以成功救援30至35次,在09年球季至少有30次救援点的投手 中,只有Jonathan Broxton和Fernando Rodney的局数是救援点的两倍以上。 Brian Fuentes was the low man, with 1.1 innings per save, and the average of the group was 1.7. Expect Soriano's innings per save ratio to be higher than Troy Percival's in 2008 (1.6) but lower than J.P. Howell’s in 2009 (3.9). Brian Fuentes是个短局数的救援投手,平均每1.1局获得一次救援点,联盟里平均 获得救援点为每1.7局1次,可以合理期待Soriano获得救援点的平均救援局数会高於08年 的Troy Percival(1.6局1次)但会低於09年的J.P. Howell(3.9局1次)。 The risk the Rays run is that Soriano's arm will give out. He has a history of arm injuries and one caused him to miss most of 2008. Under Maddon's watch the Rays have never had a reliever top 90 innings (Howell came awfully close in 2008 though, literally outs away). Rays在使用Soriano将会伴随着风险产生,在他的伤病史里因为手臂受伤而使得08年 球季几乎快要整季缺阵,在西瓜的看管下,Rays使用RP从未超过90局(虽然08年的Howell 和这个数字几乎相去不远,注4) 注4: J.P. Howell在08年的投球局数为89.1局 How Maddon balances Soriano's duties as the Rays'harbinger of finality will be something to watch for, if only to see what the Rays'definition of fun is. 随着Maddon如何适当的使用Soriano,光芒的未来是被看好的。只要好好观赏Rays的 比赛所带来的乐趣吧。 Will the Rays trade Carl Crawford or Carlos Pena? Rays会将Carl Crawford或是Carlos Pena?交易出去吗? The last time the Rays dealt with relevant players nearing the end of their contracts, they chose against the draft picks and took the security of choosing the prospects. Such efforts netted them a mixed bag of results. Rays处理最近一次关於合约快要结束的球员,球团选择针对选秀顺位和较有保障的 新秀,就结果来说还算不错。 In 2006, they dealt relievers Danys Baez and Lance Carter to the Dodgers for starting prospects Edwin Jackson and Chuck Tiffany. (Jackson was later traded for Matt Joyce.) A few months later they finished the job, moving first baseman Aubrey Huff and cash to Houston for (then) shortstop Zobrist and starter Mitch Talbot. (Talbot was recently traded for Shoppach.) 球队在2006年将中继投手Danys Baez和Lance Carter交易至道奇换来先发潜力新秀 Edwin Jackson以及Chuck Tiffany(Jackson在08年球季结束被交易到老虎换来外野手 Joyce),另外把1垒手Aubrey Huff和付一些钱向太空人换来游击手Zobrist与先发投手 Mitch Talbot(球队在去年球季结束和印地安人做交易将Talbot换来捕手Shoppach)。 Friedman also spun two deals with the Dodgers. First, he shipped starter/ giant Mark Hendrickson, catcher Toby Hall and cash for starter/arsonist Jae-Weong Seo, catcher Dioner Navarro and outfielder Justin Ruggiano. Then, as the trade deadline came into view, he dealt shortstop Julio Lugo for outfielder Sergio Pedroza and infielder Joel Guzman. Friedman同样地再向道奇噱了两个对自己有利的交易,首先,送走身材高大的先发 投手Mark Hendrickson、捕手Toby Hall和付一些钱换来控球不稳的韩国先发投手徐在应 和捕手Dioner Navarro和外野手Justin Ruggiano,然後在快要到交易日期结束时,交易 掉Julio Lugo换来外野手Sergio Pedroza和内野手Joel Guzman。 Throughout the years, the Rays have demonstrated a high level of success in player scouting, whether it be domestic or international, prospect or amateur. The clash between team preference(seemingly taking the controlled variable, i.e. the prospects, rather than rolling the dice) and the reality of their contender status is compelling, if not ultimately won by the chance at a championship. 这些年来,Rays无论在国内或国际、潜力新秀还是业余球员的挑选上展现出高水准 评价,所以在潜力新秀的挑选似乎就变的可以掌握而不是像乱枪打鸟。因此如果没办法 获得在最後赢得冠军的机会,那就要考量在球队的优先选择权和球队的现实竞争力中作 出抉择。 The problem is that the Rays must rely not upon their scouts'eyes and notes, but first upon Elias'algorithm to correctly identify Crawford and Pena as being worthy of Type-A status. Neither, surprisingly, is a lock. Evidently being the best defensive left fielder in baseball for many years running just isn't worth as much to the Elias'system as it should be. 问题在於Rays不仅是依赖他们球探的眼睛跟报告,而是使用Elias演算系统去校正确认 Crawford和Pena是不是个A咖?但是令人惊讶的,两者都不是,这显然是个难题。明显地 拥有MLB左外野最佳守备并且已经守备多年的Crawford在Elias系统确认後并没有得到预期 的结果。 The flip side to the Type-A status dilemma is that Pena very well could accept arbitration if offered. He loves the area and the team. Plus, with a first base market that includes Lance Berkman, Derek Lee, and oh yeah, Albert Pujols, the chance of Pena breaking the bank in free agency seems less certain than before. Agent Scott Boras'tumultuous offseason with Johnny Damon could certainly fuel the flame of Pena sticking with the Rays. 由於在TypeA的边缘游走,如果球队提出薪资仲裁,Pena应该有很大的机会接受。 他热爱这个地方和这支球队,再加上一垒手的市场有Lance Berkman、Derek Lee还有 Albert Pujols这些大咖球员,Pena在自由市场的价值不会像以前这麽高。去年季末 经纪人Boras的胡乱喊话导致Johnny Damon没有获得好的合约促使Pena可能续留下来 的意愿会提高了很多。 That's not to say the Rays haven't been stocking up on first basemen like suntan lotion this offseason. The 2008 cult hero Dan Johnson and former prospect Ryan Shealy are in the system, as is the aforementioned Blalock. There's also Matthew Sweeney, a poor-fielding third baseman with offensive potential whom they acquired in the Scott Kazmir trade. And the Rays signed Cuban outfielder/first baseman Leslie Anderson to a contract worth nearly $4 million. 这并不是说Rays从来没有在休赛期间补强一垒手,农场里包括08年的Dan Johnson、 昔日潜力新秀Ryan Shealy还有Blalock都是上述所讲。当然也包括从Scott Kazmir交易 案中换来的Matthew Sweeney,虽然他守备不好可是有好的攻击潜力可以培养。而Rays 也用$4M的合约签下古巴球员Leslie Anderson(可以守备外野以及1垒)。 The most comforting news for fans of the team who share a passion for amateur talent is that the club will hold six of the top 90 selections this June, including compensatory picks for failure to sign their first- and second-round selections in 2009 and a supplementary selection for the loss of Gregg Zaun. 在今年六月最让球迷感到欣慰的消息是选秀时可以在前90个选秀顺位中保有6个名额 (注5),包括因为没有签下09年的第一轮和第二轮选秀权球员的补偿顺位和成为自由球员 的捕手Gregg Zaun所得到的额外选秀权。 注5: 前90选秀顺位其中6个分别是: 1. 2009年因为没有签下第一轮和第二轮顺位的球员,今年可以重选。 2. 2010年补偿去年没有选到所以再加2个。 3. 捕手Gregg Zaun和中继投手Brian Shouse皆为Type B得到2个三明治选秀,但是 Shouse被红袜签下後在春训前又被释出,要等有人捡他并且在MLB出赛才能正式 获得。 总结,前90个顺位只有5个,应该是原文作者算错,顺带一题今年Rays的选秀顺位 是17、31、47、66、79、98。 这边请教了Jayin07大、qazwsdf大在推文中指正和Belladonaa大在MLB板的说明,谢谢。 So whether Crawford and Pena stay or leave via trade or free agency, the Rays will be making a ton of early selections over the next two Junes which, along with the rise of arms like Matthew Moore and Alexander Colome, should keep the Rays'farm system amongst the best in baseball, even with the graduation of guys like … 因此,无论Crawford和Pena留下或透过交易或成为自由球员离开,Rays在未来2年的 球员选秀都保有很多较好的选秀权顺位,而且农场里投球威力逐渐展现出来的投手 Matthew Moore和Alexander Colome,也因为如此使得Rays的农场系统可以继续傲视全MLB ,即便是3A球员毕业也不会影响太大。 Will Desmond Jennings see the majors this year? 今年是否能看到Desmond Jennings上MLB呢? The short answer: Probably not until September. 简短的回答:大概要到九月扩编之後才能看到他 The long answer: Jennings is the undisputed top prospect for the Rays. He's a 23-year-old center fielder who bats right-handed, throws right-handed, and possesses five tools. Last year, Jennings played in 132 minor league games across Double- and Triple-A and combined for a batting line of .318/.401/.488 with 11 homers, 31 doubles and 52 steals in 577 plate appearances. 详细的回答:Jennings身为Rays农场系统最好的顶级新秀这点是毋庸置疑的。 今年23岁的他,右投右打,守位为中外野,并且拥有Five Tools的上等新秀评价(注6)。 Jennings去年在2A和3A总共出场132比赛,打击三围为.318/.401/.488,且在577个打席 里留下11发全垒打、31个2垒安打和52次盗垒的纪录。 注6:Five Tools Player 指选手拥有好的 -> Hitting For Average(打击能力)、Hitting For Power(长打力) Baserunning Skills and Speed(跑垒技巧和速度) Throwing Ability and Fielding Abilities(传球和守备能力) Many will tell you that Jennings is the typical Rays prospect. That's a quick way to say the player is hyper-athletic with huge upside and likely has dark skin. Jennings is all of that. Some would say he's a walk-conscious version of Carl Crawford, or a hybrid of B.J. Upton and Crawford. The Rays chose Jennings out of an Alabama Juco in the 10th round of the 2006 draft, the same draft that produced Longoria. 许多人会跟你说Jennings是Rays农场系统所出产的典型新秀:球员皮肤黝黑、身材高大 且拥有良好的运动能力,这都是快速认识Rays新秀的方法。并且他也都符合了上述所说的 条件,有些人注意到他就像是Carl Crawford的翻版,或是B.J. Upton和Crawford的综合体 。Rays在06年选秀会第10轮签下从Alabama Juco大学毕业的Jennings,类似像这样的事 还有Longoria(注7)。 注7:Longoria和Jennings都是在同一年被Rays签下。 感谢qazwsdf大指正。 The problem—and literally, it might be the only problem—with Jennings has been health. He missed most of 2008 with a strained back and his spring training experience ended prematurely with a sprained wrist. The other problem, and this isn't so much with Jennings or so much a problem, is that the Rays have incredible outfield depth in the majors already. Crawford, Upton, Kapler and Joyce form a solid foursome, with Zobrist and Rodriguez being able to take reps there as well. There's also future poet laureate Fernando Perez and Jaime Cevallos' newest patient Ruggiano roaming around Durham, just itching for a crack at St. Petersburg. 保持健康是Jennings的问题...这可能也是他唯一的问题。前年因为背部拉伤错过 大半球季,并且在春训前扭伤手腕也使他马上提前结束春训。还有一个问题,不过对 他来说可大可小,Rays在外野位置已经有一卡车的球员卡在前面,包括有防守不错的 Crawford、Upton、Kapler和Joyce,还有身为工具人的Zobrist和Rodriguez也可以守备 这里。也包括相当被看好的潜力新秀Perez和待在3A Durham接受Jaime Cevallos修正 打击姿势的Ruggiano,即将在St. Petersbug崭露头角。 Will James Shields ever be appreciated? James Shields是否会受到注意呢? Minus the 2008 playoffs and the now infamous "Big Game" nickname controversy, Shields has avoided the spotlight like his favorite meal is blood. Yet, over the last three seasons, Shields has a lower xFIP than John Lackey, Chad Billingsley, Adam Wainwright, Cliff Lee, Ubaldo Jimenez, Justin Verlander, Andy Pettitte, Gil Meche, Scott Kazmir, Scott Baker, Mark Buehrle and John Danks. He's thrown more innings than everyone in baseball except CC Sabathia, Roy Halladay and Dan Haren over that period as well. 扣掉08季後赛和"Big Game"的这个绰号争议不谈,Shields向来都不是焦点所在。然而 ,在过去三个球季,Shields拥有比John Lackey、Chad Billingsley、Adam Wainwright 、Cliff Lee、Justin Verlander、Andy Pettitte、Gil Meche、Scott Kazmir、 Scott Baker、Mark Buehrle和John Danks还要低的xFIP。同样在这段时期他所吃下的局数 只比CC Sabathia、Roy Halladay和Dan Haren要少。 So, why doesn't the guy get more love? It's hard to say. Nothing about Shields' approach is spectacular. His velocity doesn't win him radar gun groupies, his change-up is fantastic but he's taken to using it less and less as the opposing hitters expect it more and more, and his mellow persona doesn't allow for much in the way of imagination. He's just James Shields. He's just the guy who never reached top prospect status and appeared in 2006 under the name of Jamie. He's just the guy who took the win in Tampa Bay's first playoff game and lays claim to the only positive World Series decision in franchise history. 那麽,为什麽这个小子会没有受到关注呢?这其实不太好说,Shields没有什麽 接近可以使人印象深刻的表现,他的速球只是普普通通并不会快到引人注目,拥有极品 的变速球,但是当打者越猜测他会投变速球时,他就越来越少使用它,个性柔和的他并 不会使人留下深刻的印象。但那就是他,虽然在06年没有达到顶级新秀的地位,却在队史 上第一次季後赛为球队拿下第一场胜利且积极地助其进入世界大赛。 He's just James Shields, the old chew toy on a staff of young guns. He's just James Shields, and that means he's just on the wrong end of some bad luck. He's never won 15 games in a single season (which would be a Rays record) despite being just fantastic throughout most of his career. His run support per game started has dwindled (from 3.8 to 3.7 to 3.3) despite the Rays' offense setting a franchise record for runs per game in 2009. 这就是他,在年轻有活力的球队中总是默默的扮演好自己的角色,总是找不到摆脱 负运的方法,综观他的球员生涯里从未过单季获得15胜--->目前还只是个梦想(假设有的话 就是队史纪录)。队友在他先发时的火力支援却是逐年降低(这三年里从平均每场3.8、3.7 甚至降低到去年的3.3分),尽管09年球队的每场平均得分是队史纪录。 He's the dude with the chin hair who wears number 33 and warms to the violent sounds of Du Hast. He's the dude who hasn't missed a start due to fatigue or injury since 2006, and missed a start in 2008 only because he tried being James Braddock. He's one of only two long-term investments on the Rays, alongside that Longoria guy, and he's under contract through 2014 for an average salary of roughly $7 million despite the Rays buying out a pair of free agency years. Consider this: Shields won’t make more than $8 million in a single season until 2013. Former teammate Edwin Jackson will make nearly $8.5 million next season. Here’s the kicker. Jackson’s career best season (as judged by xFIP) would be Shields' worst. James Shields,一个下巴留有胡子的大男人、背号33号、喜欢摇滚乐团主唱Du Hast 粗旷的声音。自从06年以来从未因为身体疲劳或是受伤缺席过任何一场先发,其中除了 因为2008年跟拳王Coco Crisp的对决被禁赛因此而跳过了一次先发。目前Rays阵中有两位 长约的球员,他是其中之一,而另外一位是龙哥。他有一份平均7M合约到2014年,尽管 Rays已经买下成为自由球员的前两年。让我们来想这点:到2013年之前,在Shields身上 任何一季薪水都不需要花超过8M,而昔日队友Edwin Jackson下个球季会需要花到将近 8.5M。就xFIP来看,Jackson生涯最好的球季比Shields最烂的球季还差,但Shields却比 Jackson还要便宜,这是多麽荒谬的事情!!! Shields is probably going to pitch pretty well in 2010. He’ll probably do it without much fanfare or attention either, which is fine, that’s just who he is. Shields在2010年很有可能会投的非常好,而也很有可能还是不会受到众人关注。 但是没关系,这就是他。 by R.J. Anderson March 16, 2010 原文出处网址:http://tinyurl.com/yhv23nq 後话:这篇文章的翻译主板几天前就已经出来了,可是我想要翻的详尽一点,但是因为 英文不是很好,所以向英文好的朋友请教过,也感谢文中的两位大大提供我资讯,如果 有哪边翻错或是曲解作者想要表达的意思,还请板友不吝指教,谢谢。 --



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1F:推 Mystery0 :推 04/07 14:10
2F:推 qazwsdf :先推用心翻译:) 不过选秀部份应该分成1个TypeB的补偿 04/07 14:18
3F:→ qazwsdf :2个去年未签下的补偿跟3个2010年顺位的选秀 04/07 14:19
4F:→ qazwsdf :Jennings第三段的部份 我想是与龙哥同年选秀翻得比较 04/07 14:21
5F:→ qazwsdf :顺也比较合句意吧! 一点小意见,可能也有错 04/07 14:21
6F:推 WadeDavis :感谢翻译:) 04/07 14:47
※ 编辑: knoxvillt 来自: 61.231.50.141 (04/07 16:03)
7F:→ knoxvillt :已经针对板友的建议做了内文修改 多谢板友提醒^^ 04/07 16:04
8F:推 js2004nt :推用心 04/07 21:51
9F:推 catsondbs :最後一段Shield是已经买下他FA前两年的约却只平均7M 04/07 22:42
10F:→ catsondbs :-> 很便宜的意思 XD 04/07 22:42
11F:→ knoxvillt :猫大觉得那段怎麽修改会比较好呢? 04/07 23:20
12F:推 qazwsdf :我觉得意思都差不多@@ 不过K大翻得比较生硬,要知道 04/08 00:02
13F:→ qazwsdf :合约内容才比较好懂你的意思 04/08 00:03
※ 编辑: knoxvillt 来自: 61.231.50.141 (04/08 00:07)
14F:→ knoxvillt :已修正 04/08 00:07
15F:推 jayin07 :我不太懂pick那边的问题 04/09 22:33
16F:→ jayin07 :还一度以为是作者算错 04/09 22:33
17F:→ jayin07 :你们去年没签下Washington和Diekroeger 04/09 22:34
18F:→ jayin07 :今年补两个(+2) 04/09 22:35
19F:→ jayin07 :再加上一个Zaun离开从酒鬼那边拿到的typeB(+1) 04/09 22:35
20F:→ jayin07 :而今年前90顺位,一、二轮,论战绩的话 04/09 22:38
21F:→ jayin07 :你们应该是不会到前90顺位就能选吧? 04/09 22:38
22F:→ jayin07 :但是今年有多少三明治我就没有仔细算了 04/09 22:39
24F:→ qazwsdf :前两轮还有17跟66的顺位 04/09 22:48
25F:→ qazwsdf :前90顺位的选秀应该只有两个 04/09 22:52
26F:→ qazwsdf :打错...五个-.- 04/09 22:52
27F:→ knoxvillt :所以... 6个到底是哪6个@@ 我搞混了QQ 04/09 23:23
28F:→ knoxvillt :有人可以提供一下吗 我找不到@@ 04/09 23:23
29F:→ qazwsdf :作者搞错的可能性比较大... 04/09 23:27
30F:推 jayin07 :我好几天前有写信去问,但是没回-_- 04/10 00:47
31F:→ jayin07 :我不管怎麽算都是算五个 04/10 00:48
※ 编辑: knoxvillt 来自: 61.231.50.163 (04/10 18:11)







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