oh well, 这是我寄给ps的信, 要求他们解释她们的ToC (terms and conditions) ---- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: 2010/10/05 14:39:35 To: [email protected] Subject: terms and condition question hi, my friend was telling me that it's perfectly fine to flip as long as players agree upon themselves and if it doesn't affect game flow. But you guys also said that it's not allowed to have 2 or more players flip in a FR game because it affect the smoothness of the game for other players. Those I understand and it makes sense. However, I have a serious question, because, me and few of my friends are feeling like gambling some of our money among ourselves (xmas is on the way and we are doing some life prop betting). I'd assume, based on the wording of your explanation of the ToC, if all 6 of us agree to flip on multitable tables in a 6max game, it'd be 100% legal and not against the ToC right? We're not chip dumping, colluding or cheating in any way and PS shouldn't have any right to prohibit us from donating our rakes to the system right? We really just want to flip small amount of money among ourselves and don't care about the rake we pay to the system. please answer my serious question. thank you. Terry 她们的回答: Hello Yun-Hsiang, Thank you for your email. Please be aware that the new policy will only apply to all multi-table heads-up Sit & Go tournaments. Not to regular SNGs or cash tables. This means that the scenario you present to us will not breach out TOS. I will like to take advantage of this opportunity to give you a little more insight of our new policy. A number of players have complained about certain players who sometimes work as a group. These players will 'flip' (that is, go all-in on the first hand)if they get paired together in the first round. If they are paired against a player who is not in their group then they play the match out normally. While this is not collusion, such players do gain some advantage in multi-table heads-up SnG tournaments. This is because when they are paired together, they have the ability to scout out how their next opponent will play, but the opponent has no way to gain any information on their own play. We have decided that the advantage these players gain by acting in this way is unfair and going forward will be enforcing the following policy: "All players are obliged to play out their HU matches, except for the final of any event, in a normal way without 'flipping', regardless of who their opponent is. Players are not permitted to engage in any form of prize-split or equity-sharing with any opponent in a tournament comprised of HU matches,except for their final opponent."Deal-making is still permitted in the final of any HU tournament. Note that PokerStars does not take any responsibility whatsoever for deals made without a Support Agent at the table, so you should call Support if you wish to make a deal and do not know your opponent personally. We will take action whenever we find any players flipping or profit-sharing in preliminary rounds of multi-table heads-up Sit & Go Tournaments. Our first action will be to prevent the offending players from playing together. As some players may not be aware of the new policy, we may remove this restriction if the offending players agree to abide by it in future events. However, for subsequent offences we may take stronger action ranging from disqualification from the tournament (with partial or full forfeiture of winnings), to barring from PokerStars. As always, we welcome feedback on our policies. If you have any questions or comments, please email us at. Regards, so...我们这个行为没有违规 想冲的人可以继续了 ※ 引述《KLgeo (Holdem)》之铭言： : 其实应该不用急... : PS应该会有反制的动作... : 我刚算了一下 只要底气足 : 用24桌去推年底前要推到3SNE根本就是轻轻松松 : 一个人推到3SNE PS大概要赔掉10几万..... : 假如几百几千个pro都来这样搞 ps不就要跳楼了 囧... : 我猜可能之後他会宣布一些规定来限制 : 例如:一次只能玩一桌这种特殊加乘的桌来限制你的速度吧... : ※ 引述《kongulee (卖FTP点数 )》之铭言： : : 我来算一下从0开始冲 大概要准备多少的BR才够 : : 洗到第一个sn 先要准备8333块的rake被抽走 : : 到这之前只有一点点的stellar eward可以补 : : 到1sn共换回2000的bonus 此时BR是-6333 : : -8333应该是0~1sn间的最低值 : : 1sn之後 : : 下一个bonus是250000FPP换4000 还差55644 FPP=15898 VPP=1325块rake : : -6333-1325=-7658 之後补回4000 为-3658 : : 下一个bonus还是250000FPP 需要再补5952块 rake : : -3658-5952=-9610 补回4000 为-5610 : : -9610应该是1~2sn间的最低值 : : 下一个bonus是2sn的milestone 3400 : : 到达2sn时 花费为-8333*2+2000+4000+4000+3400=-3377 : : 到这边应该已经度过了最难的关卡 後面就不算了 : : 所以加上狂推NL2的swing BR应该要准备10000以上 : : 当然如果现在已经是sn以上的 就更轻松啦 因为可以更快的达到milestone : : 附上用excel画出来的模拟图 : : http://0rz.tw/Qffqk : : 9sn跟10sn并没有milestone可以换 : : 或许PS其实有考虑到! : : 整个曲线只能在8sn附近短暂获利 : : 之後就要一口气到SNE 靠他的奖品来补 -- http://terryfanpoker.blogspot.com/ http://twitter.com/Terry_Fan http://www.deucescracked.com/coaches/terryfan --

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