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※ [本文转录自 ChicagoBulls 看板 #1DvRuUjf ] 作者: eertllams (Tree666) 看板: ChicagoBulls 标题: [外电] 先别丢狗蛋的球衣 时间: Wed Jun 1 12:20:43 2011 http://tinyurl.com/4yt5llt So the Detroit Pistons are looking to dump Richard Hamilton and are rumored considering dumping the 8th overall pick to save 20 million or so in cash. The Bulls don't have a trade exception to save all that money for Detroit, so they can't get in on that deal. However, they might be able to dangle an even better deal for Detroit. One that also helps the Bulls considerably as well. Detroit trades Ben Gordon + #8th pick for Kyle Korver, Keith Bogans, Jannero Pargo, John Lucas III, and one (or both) of the Bulls late 1sts. I know what some of you will say: Ben Gordon can't defend. -- He's better than Kyle Korver Ben Gordon hogs the ball. -- They need that for the 2nd unit Ben Gordon costs too much. -- Without a hard cap it doesn't matter The Bulls need a selfish scorer to lead the second unit. They need a three point shooter who performs in the clutch. They need someone who can put the ball on the floor when team's try to chase them off the three point line. Ben Gordon can do all these things, Kyle Korver can not. This is a big talent upgrade. The Bulls can also likely resign Bogans after Detroit waives him to save money if they want him while Pargo and Lucas were signed to deals specifically to make trades easier. With the eighth pick the Bulls draft? Don't know, Kevin States will probably tell us soon, however, DraftExpress has this guy going eighth right now, and he sounds pretty good to me. Regardless of whom the Bulls get at eighth, it's likely someone who is more likely a future NBA starter with a likely to have a role player floor. Better than deep in the draft where we're hoping for role player potential with a 'not in the league' floor. So what's the catch? There are several. First, this plan hinges on the fact that the new CBA will not institute a hard cap. I believe that's likely, because I don't believe the owners are going to get the world, and a hard cap could actually be disastrous for the league as well as unlike football which has national interest due to fantasy football regardless of who is popular, parity may not work so well in the NBA. Of course we'll need to wait and see what the next CBA brings before knowing for sure. Unfortunately, the trade needs to be made prior to the new CBA being ratified, so the Bulls may get gun shy there. Can Ben Gordon and Bulls management get along? By the end, they clearly didn't like each other all that much. Gordon didn't wait for an offer from Chicago, and Chicago didn't look like it was going to make one if Gordon waited. I'm sure there was some bitterness over his failed contract negotiations with the Bulls in consecutive seasons, and Gordon was surely initially amped to join such a winning organization like the Detroit Pistons. Totally different atmosphere there I'm sure. However, this is a case where time should heal all wounds. Gordon's in the midst of basketball hell right now. His playing time has been crap, his performance has slipped, his team stinks badly, and quite frankly Detroit, as a city, is no Chicago. I'm guessing that winning sixth man of the year for Chicago sounds a lot better than trying to resurrect the Pistons with their current cast. From the Bulls perspective, there simply aren't many high caliber SGs out there available. Especially ones that can both shoot and put the ball on the floor. Gordon is a good guy, a bit aloof, but an extraordinarily hard worker, and would actually fit with coach Thibodeau's style of coaching very well as he takes basketball extraordinarily seriously. Thibs also has great respect for Gordon from when the Bulls played the Celtics in 2009. What would the new Bulls rotation look like? Starters: Rose, Brewer, Deng, Boozer, Noah Bench: Watson, Gordon, Bogans, Taj, Asik, Thomas, #8 (assuming we resign Bogans after Detroit waives him and bring back Thomas for one more year) That gives the Bulls to put forth explosive offensive and defensive line ups that they can't currently do as well as have someone to carry the scoring load with the bench unit. For this to work out well for the Bulls they don't merely rely on Ben Gordon becoming a great player or a star player, they only rely on him accepting his role as a bench player. Something he's far more likely to do after spending a two year stint in basketball hell. Would the Pistons really do this? Who knows. The rumors of their pick being available for cap relief might be greatly exaggerated. If not, shedding 32 million rather than 20 million seems like a pretty sweet deal for them. --



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1F:推 bluesky3330:纠竟~~~狗蛋会不会回来呢? 06/01 12:24
2F:推 answertw:是第一轮第八顺位嘛?? 06/01 12:26
3F:推 opopoppj:应该还会再加CJ Watson吧 Korver+Bogans应该还不够 06/01 12:30
4F:→ qhaabk:老实说不考虑钱 Rose+Hinrich+Gordon的後场还满好的 06/01 12:33
5F:→ qhaabk:活塞真处理了Gordon 那RIP就没事了 06/01 12:34
6F:推 AhUtopian:矮了点就是 06/01 12:35
7F:推 rosebulls:Rose+hinrich+狗蛋 是很多牛迷爱的组合 06/01 12:36
8F:→ rosebulls:这样sg跟大锁还有第6人都有了 上季科科+玫瑰同时在场上 06/01 12:37
9F:→ rosebulls:公牛打出一波连胜 顺利抢到老8 科玫连线 威力不错 06/01 12:38
10F:推 AhUtopian:要是能成真就太好了 06/01 12:40
11F:→ rosebulls:狗蛋如果能回复转队前身手 那这笔交易 公牛算有赚 06/01 12:42
12F:→ rosebulls:明年noci约也到期 如果能回来 那公牛防守就更强了 06/01 12:43
13F:推 easychen:Gordon当第六人OK吗??记得他也是需要持球时间、热机慢 06/01 12:43
14F:推 AhUtopian:Gordon热机一点都不慢 他拿过最佳第六人的呀XD 06/01 12:43
15F:→ easychen:不过这样RB可以拉上先发就太帅了,希望它可以强化三分 06/01 12:43
16F:→ AhUtopian:而且现在回来心态上应该是可以接受当第六人 06/01 12:44
17F:推 Czero:狗蛋回归是好事,但是少了Bogans这防守悍将 06/01 12:44
18F:推 tmac03:替补好矮耶 尤其是小前锋 06/01 12:44
19F:→ rosebulls:如果科科能当先发sg 那狗蛋当第6人好像比较适合 06/01 12:44
20F:推 opopoppj:柯柯韩可能要等到他变FA才有机会回公牛 06/01 12:44
21F:→ qhaabk:天啊 Gordon热机慢 当他新人年第六人奖怎麽来的 06/01 12:46
22F:→ rosebulls:科科明年约到期 不过之前交易他换薪资事件 不知是否科科 06/01 12:46
23F:→ rosebulls:还不满 希望总管能够去跟他好好谈 不过湖人据说也在抢他 06/01 12:47
24F:→ rosebulls:据说老鹰要拿Josh Smith+kirk换阿泰+bynum 06/01 12:48
25F:推 opopoppj:那个不可能成真啦= = 06/01 12:49
26F:→ opopoppj:不过我不知道活塞有必要拿到 第八顺位来换吗 我有点质疑 06/01 12:49
27F:推 rosebulls:防守的话少bogans是很可惜 大锁巴爷暑假约到期 06/01 12:50
28F:→ qhaabk:因为活塞也要公牛未来的一个以上第一轮啊 06/01 12:51
29F:→ rosebulls:看有没机会补到他 不过他的防守 应该满抢手就是 06/01 12:51
30F:→ qhaabk:要补到很难 我还是赌鲁蛋是满体力的超人好了 06/01 12:52
31F:推 opopoppj:喔喔 那这笔交易到是还有道理 06/01 12:53
32F:→ rosebulls:以公牛战力 未来第一轮顺位大概也是倒数 06/01 12:53
33F:→ opopoppj:如果有第八顺位 今年好歹也可以选到Alec Burks 06/01 12:53
34F:→ opopoppj:先发SG好好养他也不错 06/01 12:54
35F:推 answertw:但是之前是因为大家还没有认真守Rose阿...现在不同了 06/01 12:54
36F:推 opopoppj:可是今年後场火力全集中在Rose身上 对方也很容易守 06/01 12:56
37F:→ opopoppj:加上老席狂用1号战术 对方非常好守 06/01 12:56
38F:→ qhaabk:有狗蛋在 还敢包罗斯 准备被射爆 06/01 12:57
39F:推 rosebulls:老席本来就把卤蛋当超人用阿 可是卤蛋又不是体能王LBJ 06/01 12:57
40F:→ rosebulls:之前包玫瑰是因为 他是进攻重心兼进攻发动机 06/01 12:58
41F:推 easychen:Gordon也是以第六人身分上场,可不见得他有多突出的表现 06/01 12:58
42F:→ oldwei:看来T-mac还会再待一阵子 06/01 12:58
43F:→ rosebulls:如果玫瑰传导进步又补上好的sg 公牛进攻战术可以更灵活 06/01 12:59
44F:推 opopoppj:起码最後一击的选择多了狗蛋这只大心脏 06/01 13:00
45F:推 rosebulls:要跟三王拼 进攻点要多点 而且他们防守不输公牛 06/01 13:05
46F:→ AhUtopian:To easychen:Gordon在公牛时期就是热机很快的第六人呀 06/01 14:20
47F:→ AhUtopian:Gordon自己是希望打先发 但是此一时彼一时 Gordon应该 06/01 14:21
48F:→ AhUtopian:可以接受自己在公牛就是"被安排"这件事实了 06/01 14:21
49F:推 opopoppj:Gordon最好的位置就是像小牛的JET 这样是最棒的 06/01 14:22
50F:推 reichs:DET应该不会为了丢出Gordon而送出8号签啦... 06/01 17:54
51F:→ reichs:CHI真的需要可以自行持球进攻的第6人。 06/01 17:57
52F:→ reichs:Gordon可以扮演这角色。 06/01 17:57
53F:推 pro:1千万的第6人 有这种钱 可以补很多位置了 何况他的防守比KK烂 06/01 21:25
54F:推 easychen:我是对现在的Gordan存疑,他还有多少身手看不出来 06/01 21:41
55F:→ easychen:而且我怀疑他也失去企图心了 06/01 21:42
56F:推 pro:跟楼上有同样看法 他在活塞打先发都 没法刷出漂亮数据了 06/01 21:45
57F:→ pro:说不定赚到一纸肥约 企图心跟身手早已不复存 千万合约还是别碰 06/01 21:46
58F:推 tonicame:我没有狗蛋的7号球衣~不过有KUKOC的.... 06/01 22:13
59F:推 hellogym:太贵了 谁要接这种烂约阿 06/01 22:29
60F:推 smallhowchou:拜托不要 回来的话感觉会变成累坠 06/01 22:31
61F:推 Pierce34:一千多万的替补@@还有球员选择权一千三百万=.=慢走不送.. 06/01 22:36
62F:推 brucelee768:活塞要砍预算吗?近日连续传出RIP&GORDON的乳摸! 06/01 22:46
63F:→ brucelee768:GORDON先发常被对方打点,以前有前队长罩他! 06/01 22:48
64F:→ brucelee768:现在他的搭档..... 06/01 22:50
65F:推 aagun:算了吧~以前就吃过後场双卫不够高的苦啦 06/01 22:54
66F:推 brucelee768:看了一下活塞今夏可跳脱合约球员为PRINCE & STUCKEY 06/01 22:59
67F:→ brucelee768:RIP&GORDON合约分别还有2年及3年,如果能清出开始重建 06/01 23:02
68F:→ eertllams:重点应该是第八顺位的签 跟台面上的好SG不多 或是不来 06/01 23:20
69F:推 pro:弱选秀年 第8顺位说不定还比18顺位差咧 薪水却多很多 不吸引人 06/01 23:24
70F:推 opopoppj:第八应该选得到Alec Burks 06/01 23:29
71F:推 larson:这样换的话,先发SG应该是Brewer,#8应该选个替补SF,例如像 06/02 00:24
72F:→ larson:Kawhi Leonard, Chris Singleton或是Marcus Morris吧? 06/02 00:24
73F:推 opopoppj:我觉得第八选秀是要补火力的SG耶 Brewer火力没好多少= = 06/02 00:25
74F:→ opopoppj:Brewer顶先发感觉还是很贫攻= = 06/02 00:25
75F:推 answertw:Bogans先发就好了阿== 06/02 01:06
76F:→ eertllams:Brewer先发 !! 06/02 01:11
77F:推 easychen: Brewer先发 !! 06/02 17:59
78F:推 DetHill33:借转活塞版 :D 06/02 19:00
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79F:→ dhec10701p:这四只後卫来不知可以干嘛@@ 06/02 19:33
80F:→ AhUtopian:纯清薪资空间用吧 都是到期约 06/02 19:47







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