作者pennymarcus (De-troit Basketball)
看板Pistons
标题[ 王 ] 检讨大会
时间Thu Apr 23 15:54:42 2009
http://tinyurl.com/d9csv6
Chris McCosky / The Detroit News
Here's Charles Barkley on TNT: "You can't fake hustle. You either have to be
into the game or not. Cleveland is trying to win the championship, and
Detroit has one foot in Cancun. They are packing up their stuff as we speak."
巴爵士:活塞不够拼。当骑士想拿总冠军时,活塞的一只脚已经踩在潜水胜地 —
Cancun。当我们说话时他们正在打包。
And ESPN's Tim Legler gave video evidence of the Pistons' lack of heart and
hustle. He showed one play where Mo Williams took a 3-point shot. Four
Pistons surrounded the glass, yet Joe Smith knifed in for the rebound. He
also showed how lethargic the Pistons looked on offense. In the past, we
might try to defend the Pistons. But we can't.
Legler 也找到影带证明活塞没有心。当时 Mo 投了一颗三分,活塞有四个球员
围在篮下,但篮板最後被 Joe 抢到。另外也秀出活塞在进攻上了无生气的片段。
过去我们会想帮活塞说话。但这次做不到。
There's no defense for what we are seeing. Antonio McDyess at least had the
courage to call himself and his teammates out for not showing any heart.
我们看到的活塞是没有防守的。至少袋鼠有勇气承认他和他的队友没展现出任何决心。
But it's the same story. It may be new and shocking to the national media,
but we've been witnessing this all season. There is no fight left in the
veteran core of this team. It's either not there physically, mentally -- or
both.
对全国媒体来说或许是很震惊的消息,但我们整季看到的都是这样的情况。这个球队
的核心老将已经没有奋斗的心了。
Which brings us to the good news. There is no doubt about what needs to be
done this summer: An overhaul. At the beginning of the season, the plan was
to re-sign Rasheed Wallace as a backup, at a reduced salary, for another two
seasons.
所以好消息是,暑假的活塞需要大修。原本开季的计画是要用两年少一些的薪资
续签 Sheed 来打替补。
That's probably not going to happen. The Pistons put up with Wallace's
distractions, tantrums, and taking nights off during the regular season (and
playoffs) because his production in the end always trumped the indiscretions.
看到 Sheed 季赛和季後赛的表现後,这计画或许不会执行了。
The production-to-indiscretion ratio is no longer in the team's favor. At 34,
Wallace has legs that are spent. He isn't the same disruptive defensive force
he used to be. He can't close out on the perimeter and get back to his man in
the post. He can't protect the lane, and his offense has grown more
inefficient each season. It's been an enchanting, at times enraging, but
nevertheless unforgettable six-year run. At the beginning of the season,
Tayshaun Prince was embedded into the fabric of this team's future. Now, not
so much.
Sheed 的防守不再那麽好。保护不了禁区。他的进攻每况愈下。开季时小王子被划入
球队的未来中。现在,不太是这样了。
If the Pistons are going to rebuild and add a young, elite-level forward,
they may not be able to go the free-agent route. It might have to come
through a trade, and if that's the case, the most valuable chip other than
picks is Prince.
如果活塞要重建,补一个年轻顶级的小前锋,自由球员市场或许是行不通的。如果要
靠交易的话,比选秀权更好的筹码就是小王子了。
Prince has two years and about $25.1 million left on his contract, far from
unmovable. The Raptors have shown interest just as the Pistons have barely
hid their interest in forward Chris Bosh. Nobody is saying that will happen.
But Prince is no longer untouchable.
小王子还有两年大概两千五百万的合约。暴龙曾对他表示兴趣,活塞也几乎没隐瞒
过对 Bosh 的喜爱。没有人说这交易会发生。但小王子不再是不可动的人了。
(连续四行结尾是「了」) XD
The Pistons do want to re-sign McDyess, also a free agent in July. But with
the way this season has ended, you couldn't blame McDyess for seeking another
opportunity elsewhere.
活塞会想续签袋鼠。但球季这样的结束,你就不能责怪袋鼠会想去其他地方找机会。
http://dananbaplayoff.blogspot.com/2009/04/playoff-observations.html
By Dana Gauruder / The Oakland Press
Their starters have been alarmingly unfocused and listless. That's especially
true of Rasheed Wallace and Tayshaun Prince.
活塞的先发极度的不专注且无精打彩。特别是 Sheed 和小王子。
I remember watching Ben Wallace in his final year with the Pistons, thinking
'He's lost it. He doesn't have the same explosion anymore.'
我记得班蛙活塞最後一年就是这样。
Same thing this year with Sheed, though Sheed's at an age where you expect
that. He just doesn't have the mobility to be a special defensive player
anymore, as he was during his first 3 or 4 seasons in Detroit.
Sheed 也是一样,但依他的年纪这是可以料想到的。他不再是特别的防守球员。
Prince is a more maddening case. He seems to be full of excuses every
postseason. Before, he'd decline in the conference finals. This year, he's
gone into the tank from the start. He's averaging 6 points in his last six
postseason games.
小王子就是比较让人生气的例子。他几乎每次球权都有满满的藉口。过去他在分区
冠军战表现就会下滑。今年他从一开始就这样了。过去六场季後赛平均只有六分。
I have to believe Joe D. is thinking the same thing. To somehow challenge the
Cavs and LeBron in future years, he needs someone who's at least willing to
stand up to LeBron and also make him work at the defensive end. Prince
appears mentally defeated against Cleveland before the game starts.
我相信 Dumars 也认为未来要能给骑士和 LBJ 一些挑战,他需要一个至少愿意勇敢面对
LBJ ,还要让他在防守端上做些努力的人。小王子显然在赛前精神上就被骑士打败了。
Don't be surprised if one of the moves that Joe makes this offseason is a
change at small forward. The restructuring of this team is going to take more
than an inside scoring option and a shooter off the bench.
所以 Dumars 如果暑假换掉小前锋可别惊讶。
http://www.detroitbadboys.com/archives/2009-04-22/on-lacking-leadership/
On lacking leadership
Published by Matt Watson on April 22, 2009 in 2009 Playoffs.
Granted, both of these players are dinged up, but this late in the season,
everybody is. Just a few weeks ago, I was of the mind that re-signing Wallace
to a modest two-year deal would be a smart decision, especially if he
understood he was going to be phased out of the starting lineup. Now, I’m
not so sure. As for Prince, we’ve been waiting for years for him to take the
next step. Realistically, it’s just not going to happen — time flies, but
he turns 30 next year.
几星期前我原本想说用两年续签 Sheed 是个聪明的决择,特别是如果他能了解他会
慢慢被移出先发阵容的话。但现在我不这麽确定了。至於小王子,我们等了好几年希望
他能有所进步。但并没有发生,他明年也要三十了。
What’s even more frustrating than the lack of on-court production is the
apparent lack of fire. For all the talk about how the Celtics would have been
a better matchup, Kevin Garnett actually seems to instill more fire and
confidence in his teammates than any of Detroit’s starters — and he’s yet
to even done a uniform.
再来就是斗志的问题。KG 对他的队友的信心,逐渐灌输给他们的斗志就胜过任何活塞
先发,他还穿着球衣坐场边。
I’m reluctant to post this because I hate to pile on the negativity, but as
someone who’s watched as many Pistons games as anybody the last several
years, this team just doesn’t have the same fire.
但过去几年活塞的斗志不再了。
There’s a serious leadership vacuum on this roster, and until it’s filled,
it won’t matter who’s traded or signed. I don’t subscribe to the theory
that you need a superstar to win, but an alpha dog in the locker room to keep
everybody accountable is almost always a prerequisite for success. Ben
Wallace used to fill that role, and no one’s taken the torch since. That’s
not necessarily Wallace or Prince’s fault, just like it’s not necessarily
Rip or McDyess or Stuckey’s fault. But that’s the reality this team faces.
活塞少了一个领袖。这跟明星球员无关。以前的活塞是班蛙,他走後就没人了。这不是
小王子或 Sheed 的错,也不是 Rip、袋鼠或 Stuckey的错。
I’m not saying the players don’t care — I think they do — but it’s one
thing to take responsibility for yourself and another to demand it from your
teammates. The issue of “accountability” isn’t new — it was the most
frequently used talking point by the players in the locker room after being
eliminated last year — but in the past it’s been dressed up as a coach’s
responsibility, which was the biggest reason Flip Saunders got chased out of
town. But as we should have learned by now, it’s not.
我不是说球员不在意,我认为他们在意。但为自己负起责任是一回事,要求队友
又是另一回事。去年被淘汰後"负起责任"这词常被提及,但过去这常被认为是教练
的职责,也是老桑被赶走的最重要原因。但就现在看来,还是没做好。
Everything begins with the players. Garnett (who, incidentally, got along
famously with Saunders) knows this, as do the best players on every other
legitimate contender. Until a voice in Detroit’s locker room either emerges
or is acquired who accepts the responsibility as task master (and until the
rest of the roster respects that player’s place), nothing will change.
每件事都因球员而起。Garnett 了解这点,每个有夺冠实力球队中的最佳球员也都知道。
除非活塞休息室有人开始愿意承担这个责任,或有人愿意接受这个任务(且让每个球员
信服),不然活塞还是一样。
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1F:推 Uber:看来五虎班底可能都要掰了~~~~~~@o@ 04/23 16:13
2F:→ Uber:揪竟~~~~~~P妹会情归何处呢 (爆) 04/23 16:14
3F:→ freijaking:MC:我认为我们还能赢下这系列 04/23 16:14
4F:→ freijaking:Curry: I'm gonna ban myself. 04/23 16:23
5F:推 bahamutuh:有MC在 不意外 04/23 16:29
6F:→ bahamutuh:现在活塞队连个"目标"都没有 04/23 16:30
7F:推 tc89:其实我很想问队长现在到底是谁 官网的Roster某天突然消失记号 04/23 16:38
8F:推 LTP:小王子和RIP的样子 04/23 16:39
9F:推 tc89:这两场我觉得Sheed跟Prince两个人的低迷表现和表现出来的消极 04/23 16:40
10F:→ LTP:其实让小王子走也好啦 搞不好去别的地方会找到更适合他的打法 04/23 16:40
11F:→ tc89:那种愁云惨雾的氛围对球队其实不是好事情 可能跟日前就有传出 04/23 16:41
12F:→ tc89:暑假有打算交易他的打算也有关 04/23 16:41
13F:→ tc89:我记得以前就三队长 CB+RIP+Prince 但时好像自从把CB交易走 04/23 16:42
14F:→ tc89:官网roster的队长记号就消失掉了 可是外电也没看到其他消息 04/23 16:42
15F:推 malone321214:小王子每年都是最累的人. 04/23 16:43
16F:推 LTP:也许今年小王子有下滑啦 我觉得他今年有些时候打的很不果决 04/23 16:45
17F:→ LTP:不过你要是想想 每场比赛都是小王子出去守别队的第一得分手 04/23 16:45
18F:→ LTP:那种体力的耗费根本看不出来 不像是有些人只要得分就好 04/23 16:46
19F:→ LTP:况且去年小王子第一轮对76人时 整个数据硬是把小ai比下去 04/23 16:48
20F:推 tc89:也许也是 他这几年操下来累积的伤害大概也不比其他人少 04/23 16:48
21F:→ tc89:所以在进攻的战术上比较少设计他当主攻选择 通常是负责策应 04/23 16:49
22F:→ LTP:反而是枪西对上A.Miller效果不太好 没有对方打的出色 04/23 16:49
23F:→ tc89:他对明星球员的一对一防守确实不错 但是遇到高壮型SF真的很累 04/23 16:50
24F:→ LTP:以前枪西在的时候 很常就是小王子和rip一人跑一边 04/23 16:50
25F:→ LTP:小王子有一招还是跑出来後再从中路跑进去禁区 枪西马上传给他 04/23 16:51
26F:→ LTP:灌篮 这招今年到现在我还没有看过 04/23 16:52
27F:→ chaffy:如果Sheed跟Prince都走了... 那记忆中的活塞也就结束了 04/23 17:08
28F:推 il2985:重建了.............换血来个猛的吧!!! 04/23 17:44
29F:推 ntoufatman:走了王子才是最伤的~Needforsheed也很伤.. 04/23 18:07
30F:推 friven2002:怎没人检讨管理阶层,一开季就说要交易谁,搞的一点都 04/23 18:17
31F:→ friven2002:没有向心力,要是看到自己的教练是这种料,关键拿不出 04/23 18:18
32F:→ friven2002:办法,油条球员一定没心打,准备等被交易再说吧 04/23 18:18
33F:→ friven2002:至於板凳,要拼个人数据当然要冲一点,所以不意外 04/23 18:19
34F:→ friven2002:SHEED根本不是老了,他根本没心在活塞了 04/23 18:20
35F:→ friven2002:到别队还不至於打替补,不要约约一起去金块 04/23 18:21
36F:推 ntoufatman:还没放暑假,我们已经在讨论放暑假了..XD 04/23 18:31
37F:推 ntoufatman:希望枪西抽空打电话给我们先发一下,应该比练球有用~ 04/23 18:40
38F:推 tc89:看到去金块我就笑出来了 04/23 19:19
39F:推 bluestaral:打电话给我们先发 然後叫他们一起去金块?XD 04/23 19:20
40F:推 ntoufatman:枪西:你们来金块,我会叫班蛙一起过来,创个新纪录. 04/23 19:21
41F:→ bluestaral:那我考虑要不要支持 丹佛活塞队....对了 甜瓜本来可能 04/23 19:21
42F:→ bluestaral:也是我们的 04/23 19:22
43F:推 vi6:这时候要有个人跳出来 04/23 19:36
44F:推 ntoufatman:Sharpe:你们走了我就有机会上场了! 04/23 19:52
45F:推 kyoyagami:Chris报导有够乡民.....他真的是随队记者吗 04/23 20:05
46F:推 tc89:结论:其实是Sharpe挑拨,为了把大家逼走争取上场时间 (惊) 04/23 20:59
47F:推 twister527:唉...MJ退休後 过好久才喜欢上一支球队的... 04/23 21:31
48F:推 friven2002:说说SHEED的部分,目前留在这里人大部分都有跟所有季赛 04/23 21:49
49F:→ friven2002:可以看出为何今年中锋还有防守篮板都被予取予求 04/23 21:50
50F:→ friven2002:我的观察是前场都是无法锁住第一步,以致突破被飞身到 04/23 21:52
51F:→ friven2002:禁区,所以今年禁区看起来很软,只要补防不是加一就是 04/23 21:53
52F:→ friven2002:被妙传底线禁区,造成内线永远补不完,这对打习惯团体 04/23 21:54
53F:→ friven2002:战的内线士气很伤,加上进攻烂,恶性循环罢了 04/23 21:55
54F:推 RH01033:再组个坏孩子三代吧! 04/23 23:02
55F:推 goodtoy1229:这言论太结果论了,现在打得有气无力.原因很多. 04/23 23:38
56F:→ goodtoy1229:如果Prince难用,MC之前还会狂操他?? 04/23 23:38
57F:→ goodtoy1229:Prince现在的疲累也很有可能是之前那段狂操造成的阿 04/23 23:39
58F:→ goodtoy1229:球员的有气无力不见得是生理上的,可能是情绪上的. 04/23 23:40
59F:→ goodtoy1229:Sheed我就觉得是情绪上的影响,球迷都骂MC骂翻天了. 04/23 23:41
60F:→ goodtoy1229:球员因为自己的本份当然教练说啥就是啥. 04/23 23:41
61F:→ goodtoy1229:但我就真的不信球员们自己会不知道这教练真正几两重.. 04/23 23:42
62F:推 tc89:其实我觉得这两位多半都是情绪上的问题居多 整体氛围太低迷了 04/24 00:36
63F:推 wilbear:不意外的报导 大部分跟我之前说的一样 老将已经没有心了 04/24 13:22
64F:→ wilbear:王子知道自己在的队早不是他想待的..没精神不意外的.. 04/24 13:24
65F:→ wilbear:但03~06这段期间的活塞 还是我心目中最棒的球队... 04/24 13:24
66F:→ wilbear:那种无私 团队打法的篮球 才是最高境界.. 04/24 13:24
67F:推 baronterry:已经没了ˊˋ 04/27 11:40
68F:推 tc89:近十年最完美的球队 已经在Ben老化离开後就开始慢慢消失了.. 04/27 11:42