作者sophiajoan (sophiajoan)
看板Pharmacy
标题Re: [问题] Class IV antiarrthymic drug 机转
时间Sat Jul 28 00:52:53 2012
这本书的用词会让人产生混淆
就我的理解, 参考braunward 9th ch35
像Na/K/Ca 这一类voltage gated ion channel皆以三种形式存在
(有些药理的书也会提到 e.g. Katzung)
(voltage gated意指channel 打开受cell membrane potential 影响
cell membrane depolarization时才打开)
1. open/activated state (cell membrane depolarization才打开
这本书上写成:open, depolarized channels)
2. closed/inactivated state (Ca channel 在打开後, 就会直接进入
closed/inativated state, 这个state 无法再度被活化)
3. closed/resting state(cell membrane repolarization後, Ca
channel 才会从closed inativated state进入close resting
state 此状态下的channel 才可以再度被活化)
就因为Verapamil and ditiazem 只会抑制open/activated calcium cnannel
所以才叫use-dependent,而且不让open/ativated calcium channel 回到
close/resting state
(原文写prevent repolarization,应该就是不让calcium channel回到closed/resting
state, 而不是指prevent cell menbrane repolarization)
因为verapamil/diltaizem主要的作用就是抑制Ca流入细胞, 整体而言是会"加速"
cell membrane repoalrization, 但因为抑制calcium channel回到
close/resting state, 对下一个actional potential cycle而言, 可
以活化的calcium channel变少了, 因此会增加effective refractory period,
亦即传导速度变慢)
※ 引述《hpw01 (hpw)》之铭言:
: 在Lippincotts Illustrated Reviews Pharmacology第十七章提到
: 关於第四类抗心律不整药物Verapamil and diltiazem的机转:
: Actions: Calcium enters cells by voltage-sensitive channels and by
: receptor-operated channels that are controlled by the binding of agonists,
: such as catecholamines, to membrane receptors. Calcium-channel blockers, such
: as verapamil and diltiazem, are more effective against the voltage-sensitive
: channels, causing a decrease in the slow inward current that triggers cardiac
: contraction.以上可以读懂
: Verapamil and diltiazem bind only to open, depolarized channels,
: thus preventing repolarization until the drug dissociates from the channel.
: 这边开始不懂了
: 为什麽只接在打开跟去极化的通道会防止通道的再极化?
: These drugs are therefore use-dependent; that is, they block most effectively
: when the heart is beating rapidly, because in a normally paced heart, the
: calcium channels have time to repolarize and the bound drug dissociates from
: the channel before the next conduction pulse.
: 不太理解甚麽叫做钙离子通道的再极化
: 书上讲动作电位有一个图将Action potential of a Purkinje fiber分成
: 0 1 2 3 4 五个phase
: 其中phase3再极化时作用的不是主要是钾离子吗?跟钙离子有甚麽关系呢?
: 最後一段(前面的问题解决了应该就懂了,打上来帮助理解)
: By decreasing the inward current carried by calcium,
: verapamil and diltiazem slow conduction and
: prolong the effective refractory period in tissues that are dependent on
: calcium currents, such as the AV node. These drugs are therefore effective in
: treating arrhythmias that must traverse calcium-dependent cardiac tissues.
: 书上还提到Verapamil and diltiazem治疗心房性心律不整比心室性心律不整有效
: 请问是为什麽呢?
最後一个问题, 我的理解是verapamil and diltiazem主要作用於SA node and AV node,
心房性心律不整, 一定要经过AV node 传到心室, 才会造成心搏过快
因此只要抑制AV node整体速度就会降下来,
反观心室性心律不整并不需要AV node就可以跳,
因此你抑制SA node or AV node,对心室性心律不整没有帮助.
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1F:→ sophiajoan:可以活化的calcium"channel"少减.PO文有误不知如何编辑 07/28 01:33
2F:→ sophiajoan: 减少 07/28 01:34
3F:推 hpw01:谢谢详细的回答^^ 07/30 16:33
4F:推 hpw01:还请问:这意味着心室的传导不像心房一样仰赖钙离子通道是吗? 07/30 16:35
5F:→ stvene:在文章前按大写E 07/30 17:33
※ 编辑: sophiajoan 来自: 114.34.109.233 (07/30 20:45)
6F:→ sophiajoan:不是! 是reentry circuit or tachycarida不需要AV node 07/30 20:46
7F:推 hpw01:OK 理解了 谢谢您^^ 08/06 12:41